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I believe that the (meaningless) pre-season All-American wcbb team comprises Stewie, Kaleena, Moriah and Jewell (Loyd). If you agree, who's the fifth player?

And if you don't agree, name your five.

I have an ulterior motive for posting this that I will explain later.

Comments, please.
 
A lot of the usual suspects graduated. Elizabeth Williams by default. She will be replaced by someone from South Carolina at the end. They will become our main competition. New tools for Dawn Staley: 1)Wilson. 2) Jatarie White, a top-5 center from Charlotte. 3) Kaydra Duckett 5-9 guard from SC powerhouse Dreher. In addition to picking up the top regional players, she also landed a point guard from NYC.
 
Harrison or EWilliams
Stewart
KML
Lloyd
Jefferson
Add in Tiffany Mitchell's name as a possibility. Maybe Brittany Boyd (Cal) also. Alaina Coates did pretty well last year, a possibility? Not a lot of known players out there this year.
 
Tiffany Mitchell was an AA last year so she might get a preseason spot on 1st team.

Maybe:

Harrison
Stewart
KML
Loyd
Mitchell

Then Jefferson on 2nd team. FWIW, I think Jefferson belongs on the 1st team list. Just predicting.
 
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They will never put 3 players from the same team on the pre-season team, which I agree, is meaningless. I also doubt very highly that KML will be on the first team, even though she belongs there.

Mitchell
Loyd
Jefferson
Stewart
Williams
 
Based on KML's season last year, they won't put her on 1st team in the preseason. Which is dumb. But those "awards" are meaningless in the preseason anyway.
 
MoJeff - Lieberman finalist as a sophomore. Not sure how you leave her off the list.
Stewie - Well, she's Stewie. Makes the list.
KML - What school wouldn't give up their wing or sg for KML? Stats low from short season so maybe someone else gets the nod. She's on my list.
Jewell Loyd - Great player. Makes my list.
Williams or Harrison - Probably. I hope a center comes forward this year..... maybe named Kiah?
 
I believe that the (meaningless) pre-season All-American wcbb team comprises Stewie, Kaleena, Moriah and Jewell (Loyd). If you agree, who's the fifth player?

And if you don't agree, name your five.

I have an ulterior motive for posting this that I will explain later.

Comments, please.
Kia Stokes
 
My Top Five (in no particular order):
Breanna Stewart (UConn) - "Duh" (could not find a clip with Lisa Kudrow/Michele Weinberger actually saying, "Duh," but you get the point)

Tiffany Mitchell (South Carolina) - AP All-America Third Team; SEC POY; top returner on a team that should be ranked #2 in the preseason

Jewell Loyd (Notre Dame) - AP All-America Second Team; ACC Tournament MVP; All-ACC Defensive Team

Isabelle Harrison (Tennessee) AP All-America Honorable Mention; SEC Tournament MVP

Kaleena Mosqueeda-Lewis (UConn) - 13.5 points and 2.5 made threes per game on 41 percent shooting from three...when she was dealing with a multitude of injuries; incredibly versatile forward who also averaged nearly 5.5 rebounds per game and had a 2:1 A/TO ratio. Look at her numbers from her sophomore year, where she averaged nearly 18 points per game, while shooting 53 percent from the floor, 39 percent from three, and nearly 90 percent from the line. Expect a return to those numbers.

Others considered:
Moriah Jefferson (UConn)
Elizabeth Williams (Duke)
Brittany Boyd/Reshanda Gray (California)
Allisha Gray (UNC)
Kaela Davis (Georgia Tech)
Rachel Banham (Minnesota)
Aleighsa Welch/Alaina Coates (South Carolina)
Jazmine Davis (Washington)

Notes, Tidbits, and Random Observations:
1) I went with Harrison over Elizabeth Williams because of the point guard issues. Tennessee has Ariel Massengale back from injury (who was a great playmaker; she only played in 19 games, but racked up 110 assists; her return will mean the ball will be fed to Harrison quite a bit). With Williams, Duke is missing Alexis Jones and has to rely on a career backup combo guard in Ka'lia Johnson. Plus, teams will be able to double down on Williams because outside of Rebecca Greenwell, none of the expected Duke starters has any outside shot or is a reliable threat from three.

2) With Alexis Jones and Diamond DeShields sitting out this year because of transferring (and Jones is injured), the list of potential candidates is noticeably shorter. If healthy and not transferring, those two would have been viable Preseason AA candidates, with DeShields a near-lock for any top five players.

3) With Cal, Boyd and Gray are kind of a combo deal. They are great returning players and should lead Cal to the top of the PAC 12, but they also must go above and beyond, with the graduation of Afure Jemerigbe and Gennifer Brandon, who were the #3 and #4 players for the Golden Bears last year.

4) Kaela Davis and Allisha Gray had incredible first seasons and both are their respective teams' returning leaders. But both were #2 players last year and must step into the shoes of the departed #1 players - Ty Marshall (graduation) and Diamond DeShields (transfer).

5) The last time Stanford did not have at least one player on the WBCA (née State Farm and Kodak) All-America teams was 2001. The last time an Ogwumike was not on that team was 2009. But both will happen this year.

6) Some teams are going to be highly rated/regarded, but are comprised of "players by committee" rather than individual stars - Texas A&M, Iowa, Nebraska, etc. For those teams, the sum is much greater than the individuals parts.
 
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My Preseason Top 5 (in no order):

G Jewell Loyd, Notre Dame
G Rachel Banham, Minnesota
W Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis, UConn
F Breanna Stewart, UConn (POTY)
C Isabelle Harrison, Tennesee
 
MoJeff - Lieberman finalist as a sophomore. Not sure how you leave her off the list.
Stewie - Well, she's Stewie. Makes the list.
KML - What school wouldn't give up their wing or sg for KML? Stats low from short season so maybe someone else gets the nod. She's on my list.
Jewell Loyd - Great player. Makes my list.
Williams or Harrison - Probably. I hope a center comes forward this year..... maybe named Kiah?
Kiah will be everything you hope--she now has the confidence and Geno's nod which is big to her, Kiah has been working with her Bro and Dad and her chemistry with the team is great. If this isn't true I'll owe you one thin dime.
 
Thanks to all for your thoughtful responses.

As some of you know, I maintain a friendly, respectful and private correspondence by email with a sportswriter in a major city whose specialty is wcbb. Last year, when he published his pre-season wcbb AA team, I chided him for including Simmons and ignoring Hartley. Needless to say, we did a little friendly back-and-forth about this as the season wore on.

So this year it is "my turn," in a sense and I thought it only reasonable that I seek some expert testimony before sticking my neck out.

Just so you know, I'm staying with my first four (Stewie, Kaleena, Moriah, and Jewell) and adding Harrison. I will acknowledge others on the cusp like Williams, Davis, Gray, Banham and especially Mitchell as players poised to be honored -- but not yet.
 
I believe that the (meaningless) pre-season All-American wcbb team comprises Stewie, Kaleena, Moriah and Jewell (Loyd). If you agree, who's the fifth player?

And if you don't agree, name your five.

I have an ulterior motive for posting this that I will explain later.

Comments, please.

Kristina Higgins :rolleyes:
 
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I think it may be unlikely, but I'm wondering if any frosh will make a huge splash--Brianna Turner, A'ja Wilson, Recee Caldwell, Gabby Williams, et al.
 
It will be very hard to put 3 from same school on first team. There are better scoring points than MoJeff, but in the UConn scheme she doesn't need to score. She just doesn't turn the ball over and creates more defensive chaos then any point I've seen in today's wcb.

If KML is left off, it should be very motivational.
 
As a Cal fan, I'd give PF Reshanda Gray a slight edge for the accolades over her teammate PG Brittany Boyd. Each has had the same achilles heal the previous 3 years—foul trouble for Gray, streaky shooting for Boyd.

No way F/C Alleyne from Oregon puts up numbers like she did last year with Westhead gone as coach. Good player, but Harrison, Williams, Gray, Stokes, Coates, and perhaps some other at better.

UW's Jazmine Davis's soph teammate Kelsey Plum is probably the better player between the two already.

I think Rachel Banham from Minnesota will be a very high WNBA draft pick. Definitely good enough to make an AA team, but it depends on her team's record this year.

Samantha Logic of Iowa is another PG to keep on eye on.

I think Jordin Canada will be the bigger rookie star for UCLA (over Recee Caldwell).

I think the sky is the limit for A'ja Wilson. But Dawn has a lot to work with so she might not fully unleash Wilson right away.

Ohio State's Kelsey Mitchell might put up the most cumbersome numbers of the freshman class.
 
Tyler Scaife & Kahleah Copper should be in the mix.

I believe Scaife will challenge for B1G POY also.
 
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I'd give PF Reshanda Gray a slight edge for the accolades over her teammate PG Brittany Boyd. Each has had the same achilles heal the previous 3 years—foul trouble for Gray, streaky shooting for Boyd.

Ahem.

Achilles' heel.
 
It will be very hard to put 3 from same school on first team.

Excellent point! My sportswriter friend defended the omission of Hartley last year partly because, after all, he already named two UConn players (Stewie and Kaleena) to his pre-season AA team. He implied a maximum "quota" of two AA players per any team.

One reason I am challenging him (privately and in a friendly spirit) to exceed this "quota" this year.
 
It will be very hard to put 3 from same school on first team. There are better scoring points than MoJeff, but in the UConn scheme she doesn't need to score. She just doesn't turn the ball over and creates more defensive chaos then any point I've seen in today's wcb.

If KML is left off, it should be very motivational.
And yet, last year Jefferson led the team in shooting percentage for starters. I was very impressed with her progression from freshman to sophomore year as I think every Uconn fan was, and while I do not expect quite such a dramatic jump this year, I think she remains highly motivated to improve.
FYI - Moriah missed being ranked in the field goal percentage category in the NCAA list because you had to make at least five per game, but the highest non-forward/center that did get ranked #44 Tori Niemann (W.Ill.) at 52.6%. Moriah at 57.5% would have ranked #14.
 
MoJeff is more of a scorer than shooter. Her drives to the basket keeps her percentages up. She did increase her 3pt shooting but her ability to score with contact is her key. She will only be the first option though if she can beat her defender off the dribble or the defense sags in the paint to defend UConn's front line. I think there will be less paint sagging this year with Dolson's departure, unless of course Kiah blossoms on the offensive side.
 
1st: Mitchell, Loyd, KML, Stewart, EWilliams
2nd: Moriah, Harrison, Bria Holmes, Courtney walker

Other honorable mention AA last year:
Alleyne, Oregon
Banham, Minnesota
Boyd, Cal
Ham by, Wake Forest
Hrynko, DePaul
Kaplan, Tulane
Logic, Iowa
Martinez, Iona
ONeil, Kentucky
Theriot, Nebraska
Welch, SoCar
 
My top 4 would be:


Breanna Stewart-No explanation needed
KML-she was injury plagued last year but she ended the season strong and her play in the NCAA was fantastic, 2nd only to Stewart
Jewel Lloyd-Obvious choice. Excellent scorer and the ND leader
Isabelle Harrison-Overlooked Tennessee post player. I think she can score and rebound. She could be Tennessee's best player not named Diamond. I think she will be a high draft pick, maybe higher then EWilliams and definitely higher than Ibiam from South Carolina


#5 stumps me somewhat. Could be any one of the following.

MoJeff-UCONN (hard to see 3 UCONN players on the 1st team)
Rachel Banham-Minnesota
Tiffany Mitchell-South Carolina (not even sure she will end the season as their best player)
Samantha Logic-Iowa (An underrated PG who could easily be a Lieberman finalist. If she has a great season I think she could be a high draft pick)
Elizabeth Williams-Duke (she needs to wow me this season in a statistic besides blocks. She may have a hard time scoring anything but rebound put backs this season as the Blue Devils will for all intentional purposes be without an elite point guard. I think Harrison is the better all around post player.


Let the season begin!!!
 
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I think Amber Orrange is going to put up some big numbers this year, but maybe not on pre-season list
 
MoJeff is more of a scorer than shooter. Her drives to the basket keeps her percentages up. She did increase her 3pt shooting but her ability to score with contact is her key. She will only be the first option though if she can beat her defender off the dribble or the defense sags in the paint to defend UConn's front line. I think there will be less paint sagging this year with Dolson's departure, unless of course Kiah blossoms on the offensive side.
And yet she also led all scholarship players in 3 point percentage shooting. I agree she is not going to be the primary offensive option and she shouldn't be - having a PG be that person is never a good formula for a team. But her numbers last year prove that she was the most efficient scorer on the team and that is something a great PG should aspire to.
 
Williams from Duke.... not looking at numbers now, but have her #s ever been that eye popping?

Is there any question after last year that MoJeff is a STUD??!!!!
 
I was talking with Cat last night about this thread. After reading and thinking more, I have a few more jet-lagged thoughts:

I like Scaife's game. I'm not sure if she'll be top 5 yet, but she's good.

Canada better than Caldwell? Could be. Caldwell's name was the one on the top of my head yesterday.

I like Amber Orrange and Lily Thompson. Orrange could be top 10, for sure.

Re Samantha Logic--as Mr. Spock would say, "It's perfectly logical."

I didn't see enough of the other players last year to comment. I know Harrison improved a lot, Coates was good, etc. But it's interesting in that the 2014 class was really good and the 2015 class looks quite weak (though KML has always been a star and Kiah could be one). As noted, Alexis Jones and Diamond DeShields would be in the conversation--if they were eligible to play. I'm sure there will be some surprises out there--players who are vastly improved or newbies who are unusually ready for prime-time. It'll be interesting to see who they are. Reflecting my true blue colors, I'll throw out 2 names of players who have been overlooked and could really impress--Morgan Tuck and Gabby Williams. :)
 
I was talking with Cat last night about this thread. After reading and thinking more, I have a few more jet-lagged thoughts:

I like Scaife's game. I'm not sure if she'll be top 5 yet, but she's good.

Canada better than Caldwell? Could be. Caldwell's name was the one on the top of my head yesterday.

I like Amber Orrange and Lily Thompson. Orrange could be top 10, for sure.

Re Samantha Logic--as Mr. Spock would say, "It's perfectly logical."

I didn't see enough of the other players last year to comment. I know Harrison improved a lot, Coates was good, etc. But it's interesting in that the 2014 class was really good and the 2015 class looks quite weak (though KML has always been a star and Kiah could be one). As noted, Alexis Jones and Diamond DeShields would be in the conversation--if they were eligible to play. I'm sure there will be some surprises out there--players who are vastly improved or newbies who are unusually ready for prime-time. It'll be interesting to see who they are. Reflecting my true blue colors, I'll throw out 2 names of players who have been overlooked and could really impress--Morgan Tuck and Gabby Williams. :)

I think you also have to add Kiah Stokes to players being overlooked. Right now Kiah is one of the best centers in the country especially on the defensive end. If and this is a big if she can improve her offensive production by years end she will be an all-american.
 
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In the recent Lindy's Sports College Basketball issue their Women's basketball section has their All-American Teams and TOP 25.

FIRST TEAM / SECOND TEAM / THIRD TEAM
G Jewell Loyd jr. ND/ G Marissa Janning jr. Creighton/ G Samantha Logic sr. Iowa
G Tiffany Mitchell jr. SoCar/ G Brittany Boyd sr. Calif/ G Rachel Theriot jr. Nebr
G Bria Holmes jr. WVU/ G Rachel Badham sr. MN/ G Courtney Walker jr. TXa&m
F Breanna Stewart jr. UCONN/ F Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis sr. UCONN/ F Jillian Alleyne jr. Oreg
C Isabelle Harrison sr. TN/ F/C Elizabeth Williams sr. Duke/ F Reshanda Gray sr. Calif

No MoJeff, T.Scaife, A. Orrange, K. Stokes,Kaela Davis, T. Hrynko?
E. Williams way overrated!
PG MoJeff, PF Stewart & SF KML will be on final AA 1st team as their stats will be the best at their positions!
Kiah Stokes will be at least 3rd team! If all 4 remain healthy the above 3 and Kiah Stokes should make FIRST TEAM but only 3 will make it!
Rachel Badham and Samantha Logic are hidden jewels in MN & Iowa respectively!



TOP 25
1. UCONN
2. So.Car
3. ND
4. Stanf
5. TN
6. No.Car
7. MD
8. Baylor
9. TX a&m
10. L'ville
11. Duke
12. KY
13. OKST
14. WVU
15. DePaul
16. Nebr
17. Calif
18. Purdue
19. Gonzaga
20. MichSt
21. BYU
22. PSU
23. OreSt
24. TX
25. Iowa
 
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