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What economic strength ? The only way the state can balance its budget is through strong wall st results which ups individual income taxes. It’s a state that is too dependent now on individual income taxes Why? White collar jobs at Aetna.CVS Gone. UTC gone. GE gone IB/hedgers along the Gold Coast. Fleeing. I cannot think Of one corporate entity at scale that is expanding in CT. There may be but if we’re being honest the white collar brain drain is a net outflow. And CTs traditional advantage is gone with no coherent strategy to get the state back on solid financial ground
Aetna - still here different name. UTC, basically still here different name (and Otis headquartered here). GE is selling off the parts…the finance remnants are still here…Corporate is gone but Corporate is soon to be gone from the Earth.

Hedgers, I don’t know. Quit being so gloomy.
 
Was there really an exodus of business during the Weicker or years? It seems like it was much more recent than that.
Its been a fairly constant bleed out. The advantage that CT enjoyed was as a tax haven between NY and MA which attracted capital and corporate HQs bringing high net worth people to the State until voracious tax and spending policies destroyed that.
 
Can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. CT is a skilled white collar worker state, but not a tech state. You can blame the lack of investment in UConn specifically for that. We aren't competing for industrial manufacturing or low wage retail. It Texas wants to try to compete with Taiwan and South Korea, let them. Maybe they'll be as successful as Wisconsin was with Foxconn.

Our economic strength has always come from economic diversity and proximity to Northeast wealth. Pratt is a shell of it past self. The fact that no one has really noticed is a testament to past leadership not to let themselves be held hostage by a single employer. Any company town eventually folds up shop, governments are fools who actively seek these arrangements are short sighted.

Drive to UAlbany and cry. The State of NY has put Billions$ into their Nanotech center. First adjacent to campus; then to other parts of the state - including 30 miles North where Global Foundry is located; 14 miles east to Regeneron - East Campus. You can't totally ding CT as the UConn Med is doing well. And Yale Medical is twice what I remember.
 
What economic strength ? The only way the state can balance its budget is through strong wall st results which ups individual income taxes. It’s a state that is too dependent now on individual income taxes Why? White collar jobs at Aetna.CVS Gone. UTC gone. GE gone IB/hedgers along the Gold Coast. Fleeing. I cannot think Of one corporate entity at scale that is expanding in CT. There may be but if we’re being honest the white collar brain drain is a net outflow. And CTs traditional advantage is gone with no coherent strategy to get the state back on solid financial ground

Your delusions do not impress me.
 
Drive to UAlbany and cry. The State of NY has put Billions$ into their Nanotech center. First adjacent to campus; then to other parts of the state - including 30 miles North where Global Foundry is located; 14 miles east to Regeneron - East Campus. You can't totally ding CT as the UConn Med is doing well. And Yale Medical is twice what I remember.
What you can ding Connecticut on is development around UConn. There is no reason why the area around UConn is not booming with development and businesses that are an offshoot from UConn. Storrs and surrounding area should be an economic growth engine for CT.
 
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What you can ding Connecticut on is development around UConn. There is no reason why the area around UConn is not booming with development and businesses that are an offshoot from UConn. Storrs and surrounding area should be an economic growth engine for CT.
As long as we have 169 fiefdoms, it will only get worse.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
 
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

ha ... you think NYS is better?

WE have that balance of the WEIGHTY NEEEDY Greater NYC versus the entire upstate + Long Island. The needs of the City get seesaw with upstate/LI push for funding more for suburban schools. Which is why - often - you find the best public schools districts in the country in NYS.
What you can ding Connecticut on is development around UConn. There is no reason why the area around UConn is not booming with development and businesses that are an offshoot from UConn. Storrs and surrounding area should be an economic growth engine for CT.

First hand knowledge. ONE OF THE FINEST National Student Housing Development Firms (led by a personal friend) - got a beautiful conceptual design approved by Mansfield above the Tech park. The State/UCONN paid them off to go away: we don't know that the intent is. Anyone who has been to any campus in the last 20 years have seen an explosive growth in student housing. Why compare the University of Connecticut housing choices to 20 others as a Parent? sheesh I dunno
 
ha ... you think NYS is better?

WE have that balance of the WEIGHTY NEEEDY Greater NYC versus the entire upstate + Long Island. The needs of the City get seesaw with upstate/LI push for funding more for suburban schools. Which is why - often - you find the best public schools districts in the country in NYS.


First hand knowledge. ONE OF THE FINEST National Student Housing Development Firms (led by a personal friend) - got a beautiful conceptual design approved by Mansfield above the Tech park. The State/UCONN paid them off to go away: we don't know that the intent is. Anyone who has been to any campus in the last 20 years have seen an explosive growth in student housing. Why compare the University of Connecticut housing choices to 20 others as a Parent? sheesh I dunno

??????

I commented on a reason for large scale projects being tough to do as being relates to a bunch of geographically small towns each with their own interests. Specifically Mansfield and Storrs residents being resistant to development near the campus.

Definitely think CT can leverage its ability to attract talent away from NYS since CT still has room to spread out. This includes a fancy member who got out of NYC and moved to Fairfield County.

Also agree with @Subbthat CT's future isn't in manufacturing mo matter how high tech it is..
Samsung isn't building a chip factory in CT.
 
Can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. CT is a skilled white collar worker state, but not a tech state. You can blame the lack of investment in UConn specifically for that. We aren't competing for industrial manufacturing or low wage retail.
The State completely blew it. That’s why UConn doesn’t have a computer science program in the top 100. They bet in all the wrong places… fuel cells, nano materials, legacy pharma. There at least a dozen structural policy defects that have left the State behind the curve.
 
Three hundred acres including runways to be marketed for warehouse developments. Should have some negative impact on stadium parking.

I wouldn’t walk on that ground if you paid me. God knows what’s buried there going back to the 1920’s. There was an airfield and anti aircraft battery on that land going back to before WW2.
 
One thing that has really changed in recent years is the relative cost of housing and office space in CT which is starting to change the way some companies think about locations. Using the Zillow database, here is the comparison of housing costs in Charlotte, NC, Tampa, FL and the state of Connecticut:

Average home value:

2014: Charlotte, NC: $164k, Tampa: $152k, Connecticut: $246k
2022: Charlotte, NC: $338k, Tampa: $346k, Connecticut: $328k


And, office space is also cheaper in Hartford:

Class A office space:

Hartford: $24.38/ft2
Charlotte: $31.20/ft2
Tampa: $35.77/ft2

Sure, utilities and health care costs are still a problem in Connecticut, but Connecticut is not the ridiculously high cost state that is was even 10 years ago primarily due to economic stagnation. Relative to Boston, NYC, and even Providence, Hartford is a very low cost location.


You forgot one important thing. Taxes are higher here and overall cost of living is higher as well. We have snow, the other two areas are nicer overall weather wise.
Connecticut is 6th in overall taxes
North Carolina is 28th
Florida is 45th
 
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You forgot one important thing. Taxes are higher here and overall cost of living is higher as well. We have snow, the other two areas are nicer overall weather wise.
Connecticut is 6th in overall taxes
North Carolina is 28th
Florida is 45th
And the estate taxes are higher, gas taxes are higher, and there is more onerous business regulation. However, our schools are better, our medical care is generally better, and there are 4 seasons if you like that. It’s a great place to live if you can afford it.
 
We should have properly invested in our cities and our infrastructure and we didn’t. The shift from suburban office parks and large regional shopping malls to walkable urban centers made Connecticut less competitive, along with the other obvious things -high taxes, utility costs and regulations.

Also, it takes longer to get to NYC on Metro North now then it did decades ago. That along with the lack of a decent airport in southwestern Connecticut is mind boggling
 
How so?

We pass around money for political purposes. A little here, a little there. Everyone gets a piece and then there’s no more to actually fund the transformative projects that need to be done.

I understand what your saying…our cities get a great deal of funding from the state, what I really meant is that in my opinion the funding is for all the wrong projects and programs. We need to do a better at our investments.

Every state that is booming has a dominate and dynamic center city…our cities have been decaying for sometime with the exception of Stamford. And Stamford success has nothing to do with the state but more to do with proximity to NYC.
 
We pass around money for political purposes. A little here, a little there. Everyone gets a piece and then there’s no more to actually fund the transformative projects that need to be done.

I understand what your saying…our cities get a great deal of funding from the state, what I really meant is that in my opinion the funding is for all the wrong projects and programs. We need to do a better at our investments.

Every state that is booming has a dominate and dynamic center city…our cities have been decaying for sometime with the exception of Stamford. And Stamford success has nothing to do with the state but more to do with proximity to NYC.
Got it, and agree. I really hope Connecticut representatives and senators have pushed for Hartford to get a big chunk of cash from the infrastructure bill. A theme of that bill was correct thing racial inequities in infrastructure. A classic example of that is the way interstate projects have split the cities, often into “have“ and “have not” sections. I-84 really did a number on the city of Hartford. It would be entirely consistent with the professed goals of the bill to have the federal government foot the bill for a “big dig“ in Hartford which would reunite the sections of the city that were split by I-84. If done thoughtfully, it could be an economic boon to the city.

I could not agree more that Connecticut, and certainly other states around the nation, make very flawed investments in their cities which only act as a Band-Aid and seem to perpetuate the challenges that these communities face. Fundamentally sound urban planning could go along way to fixing that, but it’s much easier to throw a little money around to select projects and pretend that they are actually working to correct the problems.

I could go on but I’ve already stepped over the line on political posts, or at least run right up to it.
 
Got it, and agree. I really hope Connecticut representatives and senators have pushed for Hartford to get a big chunk of cash from the infrastructure bill. A theme of that bill was correct thing racial inequities in infrastructure. A classic example of that is the way interstate projects have split the cities, often into “have“ and “have not” sections. I-84 really did a number on the city of Hartford. It would be entirely consistent with the professed goals of the bill to have the federal government foot the bill for a “big dig“ in Hartford which would reunite the sections of the city that were split by I-84. If done thoughtfully, it could be an economic boon to the city.

I could not agree more that Connecticut, and certainly other states around the nation, make very flawed investments in their cities which only act as a Band-Aid and seem to perpetuate the challenges that these communities face. Fundamentally sound urban planning could go along way to fixing that, but it’s much easier to throw a little money around to select projects and pretend that they are actually working to correct the problems.

I could go on but I’ve already stepped over the line on political posts, or at least run right up to it.
Agree that getting -1-84/1-91 underground to recapture the city would be hugely beneficial by reconnecting the river properly with the city, eliminating the highway divide between downtown and its north and west areas. Massive savings in time and reduction in pollution would be building a bypass from Bridgeport to lower Long Island and then to Jersey to bypass NYC bottlenecks. If they can do it between England and France, we can do it here. I'd pay $25 way to circumvent NYC with a more direct bypass route.. Then build out the Ports in Bridgeport to become a major distribution hub.
 
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Agree that getting -1-84/1-91 underground to recapture the city would be hugely beneficial by reconnecting the river properly with the city, eliminating the highway divide between downtown and its north and west areas. Massive savings in time and reduction in pollution would be building a bypass from Bridgeport to lower Long Island and then to Jersey to bypass NYC bottlenecks. If they can do it between England and France, we can do it here. I'd pay $25 way to circumvent NYC with a more direct bypass route.. Then build out the Ports in Bridgeport to become a major distribution hub.
Yeah, that Bridgeport to Long Island to New Jersey tunnel just seems logistically pretty challenging. If you want to bypass NYC, why not just take the Tappan Zee and then 287?
 
Yeah, that Bridgeport to Long Island to New Jersey tunnel just seems logistically pretty challenging. If you want to bypass NYC, why not just take the Tappan Zee and then 287?

He's not wrong on the CT <--> LI side. It needs to happen to help both sides.
 
Bridgeport to Tappen Zee to 287 to Port Jefferson (logical terminus for the Bridgeport to Long Island tunnel) is 120+ miles and takes, at least, two hours. And you will likely still hit traffic. A tunnel from Bport to Port Jeff would be about 18 miles long and take 20 minutes.
 
Bridgeport to Tappen Zee to 287 to Port Jefferson (logical terminus for the Bridgeport to Long Island tunnel) is 120+ miles and takes, at least, two hours. And you will likely still hit traffic. A tunnel from Bport to Port Jeff would be about 18 miles long and take 20 minutes.
Why would you take the Tappan Zee if you were going to Long Island? That makes zero sense. But if you’re talking about a bypass that goes from Bridgeport to Long Island then to New Jersey, taking the Tappan Zee is far more sensible
 
I really hope Connecticut representatives and senators have pushed for Hartford to get a big chunk of cash from the infrastructure bill. A theme of that bill was correct thing racial inequities in infrastructure. A classic example of that is the way interstate projects have split the cities, often into “have“ and “have not” sections. I-84 really did a number on the city of Hartford.
By definition, any highway that passes through an urban center will "split" a city. The placement of those highways were a matter of public debate concerning a multitude of issues. To assert that I-84 was built where it is on racial grounds is an allegation that requires proof. My recollection is that highway construction in the area was more a product of economics with little forethought given to future trends. Who in their right mind would recommend putting I-91 along the river thereby cutting off the downtown from one of its most valuable areas for commercial development. Imagine all the restaurants and entertainment venues that got squashed by lousy planning. The question is whether spending billions now to reroute major highways rather than expanding them would be the best use of the available funds.
 
By definition, any highway that passes through an urban center will "split" a city. The placement of those highways were a matter of public debate concerning a multitude of issues. To assert that I-84 was built where it is on racial grounds is an allegation that requires proof. My recollection is that highway construction in the area was more a product of economics with little forethought given to future trends. Who in their right mind would recommend putting I-91 along the river thereby cutting off the downtown from one of its most valuable areas for commercial development. Imagine all the restaurants and entertainment venues that got squashed by lousy planning. The question is whether spending billions now to reroute major highways rather than expanding them would be the best use of the available funds.
Don't believe he said that the division was purposeful with regard to race; more like it was an unintended consequence. Intended consequences would be Robert Moses' bridges on the Long Island Expressway...
 
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Don't believe he said that the division was purposeful with regard to race; more like it was an unintended consequence. Intended consequences would be Robert Moses' bridges on the Long Island Expressway...
The Robert Moses story is actually made up and not true fyi. Parkways have low bridges everywhere
 
Agree that getting -1-84/1-91 underground to recapture the city would be hugely beneficial by reconnecting the river properly with the city, eliminating the highway divide between downtown and its north and west areas. Massive savings in time and reduction in pollution would be building a bypass from Bridgeport to lower Long Island and then to Jersey to bypass NYC bottlenecks. If they can do it between England and France, we can do it here. I'd pay $25 way to circumvent NYC with a more direct bypass route.. Then build out the Ports in Bridgeport to become a major distribution hub.

Am I reading this right?

You want to build a tunnel from Connecticut to New Jersey?
 
A bit more complicated than that: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
That article is also incorrect. They spoke with the guy who designed the bridges, Arnold Vollmer and he said the story is BS. In addition, you can still get to Jones Beach, the place the story is suppose to be about, by Bus and Train, as you always could. Pretty much everyone involved in spreading that information a few months back has retracted their story.
 
By definition, any highway that passes through an urban center will "split" a city. The placement of those highways were a matter of public debate concerning a multitude of issues. To assert that I-84 was built where it is on racial grounds is an allegation that requires proof. My recollection is that highway construction in the area was more a product of economics with little forethought given to future trends. Who in their right mind would recommend putting I-91 along the river thereby cutting off the downtown from one of its most valuable areas for commercial development. Imagine all the restaurants and entertainment venues that got squashed by lousy planning. The question is whether spending billions now to reroute major highways rather than expanding them would be the best use of the available funds.
I didn’t say that 84 was built “on racial grounds“. What I did say is that it’s impact is greater on minorities (due to the racial composition of Hartford vs the burbs).

I didn’t write the infrastructure bill, nor did I vote it into law, but if it is looking to address racial in equities in infrastructure, Hartford squarely meets that definition and the state should seek out and gain funding for remediating that issue (aka I-84 big dig.)

Connecticut taxpayers pay their share of taxes, and then some. This is one of those instances where we are entitled to get some money back. It would be foolish not to take advantage of that. If you have a minute, drop your senators and congressmen an email to let them know that.
 
The Robert Moses story is actually made up and not true fyi. Parkways have low bridges everywhere

It's a bad example of a true premise. It's the poorest example of Moses being a very likely racist, if not just opportunistic to extremes.

Better examples:

Riverside Park:
Below 125th St: Trains are smelly. Bury them!
Above 125th St: Who cares? Trains are important!

Highways:
Cross Bronx (mostly non-white): Ram that sucker through!
Northern State, intersecting with the gold coast, and a few problematic estates: Nope! Turn Right!
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