Post Game Thread: Thoughts on Cincy v. UConn

[jdubct]

In actuality for the Big Dance after the first two games, we will probably not see anyone on the court other than the top 7 players. So we should only worry about how Z (absolutely no worries) and Megan (still iffy but probably not a liability) are performing off the bench. In a rare case, we may see Kyla come in at the end of a quarter if someone is near foul trouble. That's if she isn't committing TOs or fouls herself.

Very true. As you said (barring a big lead or foul trouble), only 6 or 7 players will receive playing time in those games.

 

[dogged1]

It's still a mystery to me that people expect MB to ever get meaningful playing time , or score points. She is already lost in the numbers game . There are too many skilled guards, with more coming. Personally , If I had a question to ask Geno , it would be " what did they see in her " during recruitment ?

You may be correct, but isn't just a little harsh to write some one off like that? And do you expect every recruit to be the next Maya? Whether it's a matter of talent or personality some team members won't ever make the starting line up, but you can't always predict who will and who won't. And a lot who don't ever make that staring line, including our beloved walk ons and MB contribute to the team in ways we don't see in the game.
JMHO.

 

[scubadog]

Geno has said that Molly Bent works very hard in practice, has a very high IQ , is quite fast , and has a good attitude. So I guess that is what he saw. He also said she sometimes overthinks in game situations. While she will most likely not make NPOY, she must bring value to her team. I hope she continues to score, which will make her continue to shoot when needed. She is a UConn Husky , so I wish her well.

I wish her well to. I just think talent wise that she is in a situation where she's in over her head.

 

[cohenzone]

And gave up twice as many points in the 4th quarter as they did the whole 1st half .

Have to run laps. Bunch of slackers.

 

[Oldbones]

You are exactly correct. When they play Jamelle's team , Geno is going to do what is needed to keep the scoring down.

If the fourth quarter were (say) 16-5 UCONN, we would be as guilty as Baylor or Maryland, two teams we criticize for running up the score late in a one-sided game.

 

[scubadog]

You may be correct, but isn't just a little harsh to write some one off like that? And do you expect every recruit to be the next Maya? Whether it's a matter of talent or personality some team members won't ever make the starting line up, but you can't always predict who will and who won't. And a lot who don't ever make that staring line, including our beloved walk ons and MB contribute to the team in ways we don't see in the game.
JMHO.

I'm sure she is an everyday contributor to the team. And no , there is only one Maya. I am not saying she shouldn't be on the team . However, we should be realistic with her playing abilities and the fact that MW, MC and and AG are all more talented. Next season Williams will be here.

 

[dogged1]

I'm sure she is an everyday contributor to the team. And no , there is only one Maya. I am not saying she shouldn't be on the team . However, we should be realistic with her playing abilities and the fact that MW, MC and and AG are all more talented. Next season Williams will be here.

Can't disagree with anything you've written without losing the argument. And have to admit that to date MB has shown little during game time that would convince anyone that significant playing time is in her future. But we don't get to see what she does in practice. And maybe, just maybe it's a confidence problem holding her back.

Setting aside any assessment of MB for the moment, my perspective on critiquing players publicly differs from yours. When you have a player who is giving all they have got, and you know that hey have maxed out their talent, then the time for criticism is over. There is nothing more to be gained for the player or the team. At that point all you do is praise them for the work they have done and the respect they have earned. Players who haven't reached their potential are fair game and subject to criticism as a coaching technique and as fan comment.

Again, I respect your point of view, and will admit to being too sensitive on this subject.

 

[DefenseBB]

In actuality for the Big Dance after the first two games, we will probably not see anyone on the court other than the top 7 players. So we should only worry about how Z (absolutely no worries) and Megan (still iffy but probably not a liability) are performing off the bench. In a rare case, we may see Kyla come in at the end of a quarter if someone is near foul trouble. That's if she isn't committing TOs or fouls herself.

Personally, I would rather see Batouly off the bench vs. Kyla, she's more fluid, stronger and has played against elite competition and at least BC's fouls are logical.

 

[Bama fan]

I wish her well to. I just think talent wise that she is in a situation where she's in over her head.

I get that . Go Huskies

 

[scubadog]

Can't disagree with anything you've written without losing the argument. And have to admit that to date MB has shown little during game time that would convince anyone that significant playing time is in her future. But we don't get to see what she does in practice. And maybe, just maybe it's a confidence problem holding her back.

Setting aside any assessment of MB for the moment, my perspective on critiquing players publicly differs from yours. When you have a player who is giving all they have got, and you know that hey have maxed out their talent, then the time for criticism is over. There is nothing more to be gained for the player or the team. At that point all you do is praise them for the work they have done and the respect they have earned. Players who haven't reached their potential are fair game and subject to criticism as a coaching technique and as fan comment.

Again, I respect your point of view, and will admit to being too sensitive on this subject.

Not at all. We are just big Husky fans discussing our team.

 

[shizam]

"By one point. And UConn was up 66-11 so who cares?"

Misses the point entirely. It has absolutely nothing to do with score and everything to do with how they play the game. A falloff between the starters and the finishers is to be expected, but the quality of the basketball played by UConn in the 4th quarters is awful. It's the same old pass, pass, pass, cough it up performance. Difficult to watch.

Incidentally, people in the stands all around us were yelling for Bent to shoot whenever she got open - she didn't. Prior to tonight she had not scored in the previous 5 games, taking only one shot!

As for the game, Stevens owned it on a night when outside shooting was cold.
I thought that Walker's play tonight was very encouraging. It would be nice to see her "get it" just in time for the tournament.

When the subs can't play close to quality basketball it's embarrassing to Geno and makes the game a lot less enjoyable. He wants to deliver a good product for all the fans.

 

[Centerstream]

Personally, I would rather see Batouly off the bench vs. Kyla, she's more fluid, stronger and has played against elite competition and at least BC's fouls are logical.

I only mentioned Kyla because she has been coming off the bench before BatCam, even during this tournament.

I do have a problem with your term "elite competition". She came from the SEC.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I think everyone is missing the most impressive and rare statistic of the night - Azura Stevens scored 21 points. Cincinnati scored 21 points. Has that ever happened before, one player scoring as many points as an opposing team?

It was common in the first 5 minutes of games for Maya Moore, especially in her senior reason. For a full game, it's very rare.

 

[DefenseBB]

I only mentioned Kyla because she has been coming off the bench before BatCam, even during this tournament.

I do have a problem with your term "elite competition". She came from the SEC.

Remember I said she played against, not with...

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Sometimes I think it is impossible for this fan base to be happy....

Not true! We get the months long giddies over potential recruits and ecstatic over recruits and we are happy for 10 minutes after a championship win. Otherwise you are spot on; kill the wink!

 

[vtcwbuff]

Boom Boom Geoffrion
Haven't heard that name in decades.
My boyhood hero
Thanks for the the memory

. . . .and Maurice "Rocket" Richard. My dad took me to a couple of games at the Forum way back when. We watched Canadian Hockey on TV because the only TV reception we could get was from Montreal. I think the only other sport on Canadian TV was wrestling.

 

[BigBird]

UConn won by 50 points. Honestly, I get so exasperated sometimes.

You? How about poor Jamelle?

 

[vtcwbuff]

Actually, no, it didn’t miss the point. In the post-season the point is to win, period. The time for finessing the fine points is over; it’s just time to win.

WCBB is entertainment provided by competition and performance and as with all entertainment the perceived quality depends pretty much on the level of performance.

Think of it this way. You go out for dinner at an expensive high end restaurant. Appetizers are great, the entree exquisitely prepared and perfectly matched to a great wine. Then the server brings out dessert. A stale tiramisu obviously out of a box that was opened a couple of days ago and barely edible.
Do you complain to the server, choke it down, or just pay up and walk out. A great dining experience or one not as good as it should have been because the dessert sucked?

Everyone understands the win or go home stuff, but winning the game against an opponent like Cincinnati is a given. The competition part of the entertainment equation doesn't exist. The only thing that makes watching the game worthwhile is the performance and the end of the bench performance is just not very entertaining.

 

[dogged1]

WCBB is entertainment provided by competition and performance and as with all entertainment the perceived quality depends pretty much on the level of performance.

Think of it this way. You go out for dinner at an expensive high end restaurant. Appetizers are great, the entree exquisitely prepared and perfectly matched to a great wine. Then the server brings out dessert. A stale tiramisu obviously out of a box that was opened a couple of days ago and barely edible.
Do you complain to the server, choke it down, or just pay up and walk out. A great dining experience or one not as good as it should have been because the dessert sucked?

Everyone understands the win or go home stuff, but winning the game against an opponent like Cincinnati is a given. The competition part of the entertainment equation doesn't exist. The only thing that makes watching the game worthwhile is the performance and the end of the bench performance is just not very entertaining.

Nice metaphor, but really the Uconn Women's Basketball Team is not a brigade of professional chefs. Some have more talent and more experience than others. And, outside of practice the only way they get to grow their talent and experience is at the end of blow out games. Learning to relax and just play in front of 9,000 screaming fans has got to take a while. What's the point in complaining about an inevitable process?

 

[MSGRET]

I think everyone is missing the most impressive and rare statistic of the night - Azura Stevens scored 21 points. Cincinnati scored 21 points. Has that ever happened before, one player scoring as many points as an opposing team?

Heck with that!! Where heck is that Reuben Sandwich sold.

 

[augustaTC]

UConn won by 50 points. Honestly, I get so exasperated sometimes.

Don't blame you one little bit - you've been so heavily involved, has to make you crazy sometimes. Love it when you cut thru the crap. Tonight (USF), we'll hear about how Lou couldn't buy a basket, where was Pheesa, everyone forgot how to make a layup, no big run, etc, ad nauseam. The girls beat a very good team. Period. And earned time for some R&R, clear their heads, chill. I think that's the point.

 

[OldAlum]

I thought the USF staff finally figured out that they cannot play their preferred run and gun style and win (or stay close) against UConn. So they slowed it down and it enabled them to stay close when UConn's outside shot was off. Good experience for our team.

 

[Bama fan]

I thought the USF staff finally figured out that they cannot play their preferred run and gun style and win (or stay close) against UConn. So they slowed it down and it enabled them to stay close when UConn's outside shot was off. Good experience for our team.

I think that USF squad learned from UCF that slow and brutal approach to matching up with UConn. And the Laksa kid can really shoot the ball,too. Go Huskies!