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Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

Big 12 Yea/ Nay

  • We got no choice

    Votes: 305 46.9%

  • Stay in the Big East

    Votes: 251 38.6%

  • Are we there yet?

    Votes: 94 14.5%
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The Big 12 isn't what it used to be with Texas and Oklahoma leaving. With both of them leaving, gone are their fans, students and whole crapload of money that BYU, Cincy, UCF and Houston isn't going to or even come close to replacing.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
So, if the SEC added UConn basketball, Villanova, St. John's and Gonzaga it would implode?
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That has nothing to do with the sustainability of a hybrid conference. I'll go so far as to say that the scenario that you proposed reinforces the limited shelf life of a hybrid conference.

While the product may have been great for the fans during the years the 16 schools were together, there wasn't one member school that wasn't looking forward to the day that situation ended. All eight football members (and ND) were looking to move to a better home (some succeeded). The C-7 were biding there time, waiting for the day they would no longer need to cater to football members but were also horrified when they found out ND had discussions with some football members about the possibility of remaining with them (as a non football member) post split, which would have screwed the C-7 over royally.
 
McLovin said:
IMO, the Big12 (or ACC) would not be the end goal. The end goal is to get on the lifeboat when the “top” universities breakaway from the NCAA / wrestle away full control of it.

Being in either the B1G or SEC guarantees schools a spot.

Being in the Big12, ACC or PAC puts you in line for a spot (how many make the cut TBD, but probably 16-24)

Anyone else is probably going down with the ship.

The Big12 isn’t the end goal. It’s about positioning ourself for the next moves after that… either as a stepping stone into a B1G expansion to 16/20 team or to be included if the power schools break away. That’s how I’m looking at all this.

It’s not about basketball vs football. And we can’t change our geography, so it’s not worth debating the value of that… It’s about brand power and perception when the final decisions are made. Being viewed as a school with peers of Seton Hall, Providence and Butler will not help that perception during consideration. But having peers like Oklahoma State, Kansas, Virginia, UNC, etc. would.
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Our brand power has nothing to do with our conference mates. Our recruiting will take a down turn if we were to move to the big 12, which hurts basketball, our real brand. I have nothing to feel but skepticism regarding football until winning becomes consistent, and there’s absolutely no reason to believe that we are anything but a dreg in the Big 12, which would hurt us further. Being an 8-win independent when the decisions are made would be much more acceptable. The literal only reason to move to the big 12 is money, which will be very short term; with Texas and Oklahoma leaving, that conference is screwed. So we will be back where we were in the AAC.

Best to just continue success in basketball in the region and conference that best supports it, and let Mora do what he can with football. That’s what will make us most appealing.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Our brand power has nothing to do with our conference mates. Our recruiting will take a down turn if we were to move to the big 12, which hurts basketball, our real brand. I have nothing to feel but skepticism regarding football until winning becomes consistent, and there’s absolutely no reason to believe that we are anything but a dreg in the Big 12, which would hurt us further. Being an 8-win independent when the decisions are made would be much more acceptable. The literal only reason to move to the big 12 is money, which will be very short term; with Texas and Oklahoma leaving, that conference is screwed. So we will be back where we were in the AAC.

Best to just continue success in basketball in the region and conference that best supports it, and let Mora do what he can with football. That’s what will make us most appealing.
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Bleed money and hope isn't a plan. You take the money, and invest the money to improve.
 
hank970 said:
Quote: "Why not just move football to the Big 12 and play everything else in the Big East?"

Are you serious? Do you really think the Big 12 would extend a football-only invitation to UConn?
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What drives the P5? Football.

If the B12 expands it is based on football.

It’s reasonable to think that if the B12 wanted UConn Football, it may consider taking UConn for football only.

It would be the best position for UConn to remain in the Big East and to have its football in the B12, even with the uncertain future of the B12.
 
Zissou said:
What drives the P5? Football.

If the B12 expands it is based on football.

It’s reasonable to think that if the B12 wanted UConn Football, it may consider taking UConn for football only.

It would be the best position for UConn to remain in the Big East and to have its football in the B12, even with the uncertain future of the B12.
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why would a P5 leave UConn BB on the table?
 
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Zissou said:
What drives the P5? Football.

If the B12 expands it is based on football.

It’s reasonable to think that if the B12 wanted UConn Football, it may consider taking UConn for football only.

It would be the best position for UConn to remain in the Big East and to have its football in the B12, even with the uncertain future of the B12.
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Big 12 is actively trying to become the best bb conference. Their new commissioner sees the BB side as currently undervalued. It would be ideal for UConn but not the Big 12.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Our brand power has nothing to do with our conference mates. Our recruiting will take a down turn if we were to move to the big 12, which hurts basketball, our real brand. I have nothing to feel but skepticism regarding football until winning becomes consistent, and there’s absolutely no reason to believe that we are anything but a dreg in the Big 12, which would hurt us further. Being an 8-win independent when the decisions are made would be much more acceptable. The literal only reason to move to the big 12 is money, which will be very short term; with Texas and Oklahoma leaving, that conference is screwed. So we will be back where we were in the AAC.

Best to just continue success in basketball in the region and conference that best supports it, and let Mora do what he can with football. That’s what will make us most appealing.
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If we get the invite were going, and we should. We would be making the same money as if we went to the ACC, but at least there would be stability in the B12. Also, If the 7 or 8 Schools leave the ACC or form a new conference, the other 6 will be looking for a lifeboat and there will be one less spot at B12 if we grab it first. When BC/Miami/VTech left we didn't take realignment seriously and we need to be proactive and cannot wait for the ACC to implode. Also the Big East is great now, but as NIL and Media Money start to grow, it will hurt the conference.
 
ZenConn said:
The Big 12 isn't what it used to be with Texas and Oklahoma leaving. With both of them leaving, gone are their fans, students and whole crapload of money that BYU, Cincy, UCF and Houston isn't going to or even come close to replacing.
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Well, ESPN and FOX disagree with you completely. The Big 12 currently gets $220M per year. In 2025, their media deal jumps to $380M per year. Without Texas and Oklahoma.
 
Zissou said:
What drives the P5? Football.

If the B12 expands it is based on football.

It’s reasonable to think that if the B12 wanted UConn Football, it may consider taking UConn for football only.

It would be the best position for UConn to remain in the Big East and to have its football in the B12, even with the uncertain future of the B12.
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Yes, football drives the P5 bus, but football doesn't drive UConn's bus. UConn is, by choice, a basketball school in a basketball-centric conference. UConn football is an afterthought, mired in mediocrity.

It simply isn't reasonable to think that the Big 12 would find UConn football attractive as a stand-alone entity. Neither would any other so-called power conference. If the Big 12 expands, it will be with schools, perhaps including UConn, which bring or commit anew to a more balanced and complete athletic profile. Even then, geography isn't UConn's friend.

The Big 12 doesn't exist to provide what some UConn fans might think or hope is best for UConn. If you want "power" money, you have to earn it.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Hypothetically, where do you see Hurley going if he is in fact so tied to coaching a northeast team in a northeast league? Georgetown, Providence, St. John's just hired new coaches, and Seton Hall and Villanova have guys entering their second year.

I could see him leaving for the SUNJ job but Pike seems pretty entrenched there, and its also a Midwestern league.
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I'm not saying he would only consider Northeast jobs, but that the fact that we're the premiere program in the Northeast, and in the Big East, is a major factor in his loyalty to our school when others come calling. Take away the Big East and that weakens his incentive to stay. That doesn't mean I expect him to jump for the first Northeast school with an opening, but it just opens the door for him to go elsewhere, when right now I'm not sure he would leave us for any other college program.
 
Rico444 said:
I'm not saying he would only consider Northeast jobs, but that the fact that we're the premiere program in the Northeast, and in the Big East, is a major factor in his loyalty to our school when others come calling. Take away the Big East and that weakens his incentive to stay. That doesn't mean I expect him to jump for the first Northeast school with an opening, but it just opens the door for him to go elsewhere, when right now I'm not sure he would leave us for any other college program.
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Man I’m telling you for the 4th time. This makes zero sense. You’re jumping to this ridiculous conclusion with no evidence. It’s an irrational fear not based on anything he’s ever said or done
 
uconndogs said:
You don't think it's entirely possible for those conferences to do that? Not sure what you meant/connected to here?

Decades and in some instances almost a century of tradition have been thrown to the wayside in the interest of acquiring what are perceived to be lucrative markets. Agreed.

I think college athletics has already started a professional sports model and that is only going to accelerate. In fact, at the highest level I believe academics will have virtually no role with the athletes. With the money involved there is absolutely no way the NCAA or any other governing body will be able to enforce academic discipline - not that there is much of it now. I am not sure it is going to accelerate as you said because (1) many experts/insiders believe that NIL investors will come to realize that their money isn't well spent/lacks ROI, (2) almost every coach and administrator that has commented on whether they want athletes to become employees has said NO, and (3) casual sports fans are not going to be more interested by college sports if it truly becomes minor pro sports (fanatical ones/true fans might but not the casuals and that's where the added/incremental tv revenue comes from).
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Rico444 said:
I'm not saying he would only consider Northeast jobs, but that the fact that we're the premiere program in the Northeast, and in the Big East, is a major factor in his loyalty to our school when others come calling. Take away the Big East and that weakens his incentive to stay. That doesn't mean I expect him to jump for the first Northeast school with an opening, but it just opens the door for him to go elsewhere, when right now I'm not sure he would leave us for any other college program.
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you know what else would get him to leave? A P5 school throwing ridiculous amounts of money at him and we can't match because we're in a glorified mid-major conference with a basketball pedigree.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
That has nothing to do with the sustainability of a hybrid conference. I'll go so far as to say that the scenario that you proposed reinforces the limited shelf life of a hybrid conference.

While the product may have been great for the fans during the years the 16 schools were together, there wasn't one member school that wasn't looking forward to the day that situation ended. All eight football members (and ND) were looking to move to a better home (some succeeded). The C-7 were biding there time, waiting for the day they would no longer need to cater to football members but were also horrified when they found out ND had discussions with some football members about the possibility of remaining with them (as a non football member) post split, which would have screwed the C-7 over royally.
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I strongly disagree. It was and will be all about tv revenue; which is the highest in leagues with the most established football brands.

The Big East was the low man in the BCS totem pole and the programs that could get out, did, and have earned more money than before. The hybrid model had very little if anything to do with it.

The ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 have all had conference teams raided...do you really think Texas A&M going to the SEC was a money decision but Pitt going to the ACC was because they didn't want to play basketball against Providence?

And again, say the SEC took the top hoop only brands left on the table...would that somehow disrupt the conference so seismically that teams would leave? No.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
You realize there's about a 0.0000000001% chance Andrea Hurley would allow him to take a job south of the Mason-Dixon line?
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you realize there's plenty of P5 schools north of the Mason-Dixon line?
 
WestHartHusk said:
Bleed money and hope isn't a plan. You take the money, and invest the money to improve.
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We’re hoping either way. I would be most hopeful if we aren’t a middling basketball program and a dreg in football.

How would you “invest” the money? Our facilities are already top notch and we are paying our coaches. We won’t be collecting until several years into membership, and the conference is going to decline quickly without Texas and Oklahoma.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
We’re hoping either way. I would be most hopeful if we aren’t a middling basketball program and a dreg in football.

How would you “invest” the money? Our facilities are already top notch and we are paying our coaches. We won’t be collecting until several years into membership, and the conference is going to decline quickly without Texas and Oklahoma.
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Why would we become a middling basketball program in the B12?

Also, it's damn near impossible for Mora to recruit as an independent surrounded in the northeast by peer programs that are in the p5. We'd take our lumps but you're downplaying the excitement this would bring to our football fanbase.
 
Rocktheworld said:
How is this at all relevant (or cogent)?
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UMass doesn't have the brand power of three of the best college football programs and one who also happens to have one of the best college basketball programs.

He was trying to make some sort of point and relate it to UConn, he got lost as soon as he started typing.
 
Of course you take it. You take it if the ACC calls too. It's the obvious move.

As for people complaining about the distance of teams, have you seen the Big East lately? Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, Indiana...it's not what it was back in the day. We didn't really complain about Miami either when they joined. Yes, the travel is worse, but it's not that much worse. Lubbock is the only one that's really distant and away from a major airport.

I think our problems in the American were the lack of interesting opponents aside from Cinci, Houston and Memphis + Ollie falling apart. The Big 12 has better programs with bigger names and Hurley isn't Ollie. He's turning his recruiting efforts national now, so this wouldn't hurt at all.
 
Rocktheworld said:
We’re hoping either way. I would be most hopeful if we aren’t a middling basketball program and a dreg in football.

How would you “invest” the money? Our facilities are already top notch and we are paying our coaches. We won’t be collecting until several years into membership, and the conference is going to decline quickly without Texas and Oklahoma.
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Sincerely, I hope you are not in charge of your family’s finances.
 
John said:
you know what else would get him to leave? A P5 school throwing ridiculous amounts of money at him and we can't match because we're in a glorified mid-major conference with a basketball pedigree.
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No matter how many times you call Big East basketball a bunch of midgets and a mid-major it doesn't make it true.

Instead it makes you look really stupid and invalidates any good stuff you might have in your posts.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Why would we become a middling basketball program in the B12?
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The travel would be ridiculous, and I think recruiting, especially in Hurley’s back yard, would take a hit. I don’t think playing Kansas and Baylor every year is as attractive as it sounds to kids from the northeast. Some kids value the BE traditional rivalries. I get that moving from OBE to AAC won’t be as bad as moving NBE to B12, and I’m not saying that it’s a guarantee, but I see the risk.

ConnHuskBask said:
Also, it's damn near impossible for Mora to recruit as an independent surrounded in the northeast by peer programs that are in the p5. We'd take our lumps but you're downplaying the excitement this would bring to our football fanbase.
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I don’t know how excited the fan base would be. We need to win to get people to show up. Nothing changes if we become and remain a 1-2 win team in the B12.
 
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