Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[August_West]

Dead in the water?

Nope. Way better off

 

[ConnHuskBask]

So you got nothing. You can't make an argument for why the Big 12 should continue to get big tv deals. That's what I thought.

The Big 12's new deal starts in 2025 and runs through 2031, was negotiated without Texas or Oklahoma, and will pay ~$30m per program in tv money with an estimated total distribution of ~$50m per program (cfb playoff, tournament credits, etc.)

The Big East has nothing, the Pac 12 has nothing, and your eureka moment is Apple swooping in to save the day? Are you well?

 

[August_West]

The Big 12's new deal starts in 2025 and runs through 2031, was negotiated without Texas or Oklahoma, and will pay ~$30m per program in tv money with an estimated total distribution of ~$50m per program (cfb playoff, tournament credits, etc.)

The Big East has nothing, the Pac 12 has nothing, and your eureka moment is Apple swooping in to save the day? Are you well?

You think UConn if we joined tomorrow gets CFB playoff and tournament credits?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

You think UConn if we joined tomorrow gets CFB playoff and tournament credits?

Right that's the argument, better to lock in a guaranteed $0 from cfb credits in perpetuity because day 1 in a p5 league we wouldn't get a full share.

 

[August_West]

Right that's the argument, better to lock in a guaranteed $0 from cfb credits in perpetuity because day 1 in a p5 league we wouldn't get a full share.

day 1?

 

[August_West]

The Big 12's new deal starts in 2025 and runs through 2031, was negotiated without Texas or Oklahoma, and will pay ~$30m per program in tv money with an estimated total distribution of ~$50m per program (cfb playoff, tournament credits, etc.)

The Big East has nothing, the Pac 12 has nothing, and your eureka moment is Apple swooping in to save the day? Are you well?

"Despite the four new members (UCF, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU) taking a smaller distribution cut in 2023 and in ’24—about $18 million each year"

But you have UConn getting 50?

 

[Hurleyman216]

I’m fine with us getting no CFB credits for a few years, but the B12 would have to let us keep 100% share of men’s and women’s bball tournament win revenue. I’m sure that won’t happen, but we need to be negotiating like that if they think we’re joining. It’s already a coin flip as to whether or not we should go, so if they’re going to treat us like a red headed step child we need to do better.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

day 1?

From 25 to 31 UConn can earn upwards of 30 - 40M a year with a partial share), have football and basketball playing in the 3rd best all sports conference, and the games will be on actual tv stations that people watch.

After the 2025 season the Big East has no known suitor for it's basketball games, in a market that is just about tapped for capacity (tv slots) and dollars...

And yet you still choose Big Midwestern/East?

 

[Fishy]

Right. Any excuse for a lack of demand. We hear it all.

You know when UConn tries to build something on campus and the Mansfield folks lose their minds? Or the folks who told Lew he was wrong when he basically predicted the future step for step?

This is one of those guys.

In another day, he’d be clinging to the Yankee Conference like grim death. Their ties to the U are loose, so just ignore them.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

"Despite the four new members (UCF, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU) taking a smaller distribution cut in 2023 and in ’24—about $18 million each year"

But you have UConn getting 50?

The new deal starts in 2025.

 

[jostar1]

This article throws out the same deja vu BS that the B12 delivered to us last time. Benedict is being played again. It's not his fault but the B12 can't keep its mouth shut as it drags us yet again.

Source: Big 12 talks expansion plan at meeting

A source who participated in the Big 12 meetings this week told ESPN there were no votes on membership or expansion, but there were discussions about scenarios.

www.espn.com

Nothing new or different in that story. We were always behind the Pac 12 schools and the Big 12 was always going to wait on the Pac 12 schools.

 

[Billy Jack]

A move to the Big XII would cost:

• $30 million exit fee from Big East
• unknown entrance fee to Big XII
• forfeiture of tournament credits from NCAA tournament $12 mill? (from NCAA basketball championship)
• reduced BigXII revenue as new member

 

[ElGreco]

My read is that UConn is going to join the Big 12 as a basketball-only member.

In my humble opinion that’s by far our worst scenario.

 

[Rico444]

From 25 to 31 UConn can earn upwards of 30 - 40M a year with a partial share), have football and basketball playing in the 3rd best all sports conference, and the games will be on actual tv stations that people watch.

After the 2025 season the Big East has no known suitor for it's basketball games, in a market that is just about tapped for capacity (tv slots) and dollars...

And yet you still choose Big Midwestern/East?

Where are you getting $30-40 million? You yourself admitted they're not getting cfb credits the first few years, and the media contract pays $31M per school per year. Factor in the partial share, our Big East exit fee and the Big 12 entrance fee and we're going to make a lot less than that the first few years.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Where are you getting $30-40 million? You yourself admitted they're not getting cfb credits the first few years, and the media contract pays $31M per school per year. Factor in the partial share, our Big East exit fee and the Big 12 entrance fee and we're going to make a lot less than that the first few years.

It's just a guess. BYU, Cincinnati, UCF ramp up to full distribution in 3 years.

And of course will make a lot less in the first few years...the same could be said when we joined the Big East. Did you object then?

I truly don't understand how you cannot see the revenue gap going off a cliff. The divide is staggering.

 

[nadav]

It's just a guess. BYU, Cincinnati, UCF ramp up to full distribution in 3 years.

And of course will make a lot less in the first few years...the same could be said when we joined the Big East. Did you object then?

I truly don't understand how you cannot see the revenue gap going off a cliff. The divide is staggering.

Maybe. But no matter the cost, we have to play Seton Hall, Butler and DePaul every year. Nothing else matters.

 

[Rico444]

It's just a guess. BYU, Cincinnati, UCF ramp up to full distribution in 3 years.

And of course will make a lot less in the first few years...the same could be said when we joined the Big East. Did you object then?

I truly don't understand how you cannot see the revenue gap going off a cliff. The divide is staggering.

I'm just finding that some people are so gung-ho for this to happen that they're making arguments that aren't factually correct to try to show people how obvious the decision is. If it's such a no-brainer, then stand on the merits of the move rather than trying to pas BS like saying UConn could be earing $40 million a year by 2025.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I translate Yormak's statement today as follows: "Well, by pretending we'd fill the spots with UConn and Gonzaga we were unable to get the 4 4-corner schools to accept our offer before knowing the Pac's future, so now we'll wait and see how their contract looks and whether they're joining us or not."

I don't think anything was going to happen prior to the P-12 working out their new media deal. It would make zero sense for any of the remaining P-12 schools to leave for the B-12 prior to knowing what it is that they are leaving.

I also have firmly believed from the start that our only path to an invitation would be as the school that brings them back to an even number (one or three P-12 schools join).

Another thing that I've firmly believed from the beginning of this is that Gonzaga is merely a smokescreen/bluster, that they have no intention of using a hybrid model. If I am wrong about this, the bulk of the current BE better get used to being a glorified MAAC as it would mean three BE non-football members to go along with Gonzaga.

 

[John]

Nope. Way better off

A move to the Big XII would cost:

• $30 million exit fee from Big East
• unknown entrance fee to Big XII
• forfeiture of tournament credits from NCAA tournament $12 mill? (from NCAA basketball championship)
• reduced BigXII revenue as new member

and staying in the Big East long term will cost a lot more than that.

 

[Tfoyle]

There's to much talk on this. Nothing will to UConn. Until we see PAC 12 and ND Deal, we have no idea what's going to happen.

 

[The Yakk]

A move to the Big XII would cost:

• ...
• ...
• forfeiture of tournament credits from NCAA tournament $12 mill? (from NCAA basketball championship)
• ...

Incorrect. Those are ours, the conference can't take them back. More likely they will be offset against the exit fee when we negotiate to leave the conference.

That's what happened last time, anyway.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I'm just finding that some people are so gung-ho for this to happen that they're making arguments that aren't factually correct to try to show people how obvious the decision is. If it's such a no-brainer, then stand on the merits of the move rather than trying to pas BS like saying UConn could be earing $40 million a year by 2025.

It would be a year or two beyond that (I imagine something like a three year graduated buy-in) but the $40 million annually would be conservatively accurate.

 

[ElGreco]

Do you really believe the Big East wasn't beyond excited to bring UConn back?

They were excited. The league envisioned adding us to go along with Villanova as national brand flagship programs.

 

[Bongo Fury]

Why wouldn’t they want football? If perceived weak, they should welcome them to a 9 game conference schedule.