Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[Billy Jack]

Because the NBE is a modest regional basketball conference. Basketball doesn’t generate the $ that football does. You want to say that is wrong? Fine but the people who pay the bills disagree and disagree strongly! UConn in the Big East gets $5.6 million roughly. ND reportedly makes around $11 million from the ACC. But it’s Notre Dame. Most reports I’ve read say basketball is worth 20% of league’s media deal. Which sort of lines up with the NBE’a $5.6 ish deal and power leagues getting deals in the $30 millions. The Zags deal with the B12 is something on those lines. Maybe a bit more.

Bottom line is UConn basketball, great as it may be, is worth what the market says it is worth. And the NBE as a basketball only entity, is only going to generate 6-8 million/team. We’re there such a thing as an Independent in basketball, UConn might be worth more than it is in the NBE.

What does “modest regional basketball conference”. Your terminology is obviously meant to be demeaning but I don’t get your point. Isn’t every basketball conference regional? Well, maybe not the B1G once the west coast teams join, but who else isn’t regional?

 

[upstater]

Now take out UNC, Clemson, FSU, Virginia, etc. and replace them with ??? and what's the new deal worth?

More than the B12.

Let's not forget that the ACCs deal was signed in 2013, which is a full 11 years before the B12s kicks in in 2024.

Things have changed. TV rights packages have increased.

Miami, Duke, NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, still have value over and above what Kansas, Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma St could bring.

 

[superjohn]

Funny enough, basketball actually generates more money than football. The CFP and bowls generates $670M, while March Madness is over $1B. However, 100% of the CFP revenue goes to the conferences, while ONLY 15% of the NCAAT revenue gets distributed back to conferences. The other 85% is used to subsidize non-revenue D1, D2, and D3 sports.

If the distribution onus was flipped to football, the old Big East would still be alive. Each tournament credit would be worth $10M-12M instead of the $2M it’s worth right now, meaning that our tournament run this year would have generated $60M-72M in credits rather than $12M.

How long will it be until the power conferences make their own basketball tournament? 15% of $1B is only $150M. Could a P5-only tournament generate more than $150M in TV revenue each year? Because that’s all it will take for those greedy SOB’s to start a movement to split.

Drop all non-revenue sports.

 

[bendm]

Funny enough, basketball actually generates more money than football. The CFP and bowls generates $670M, while March Madness is over $1B. However, 100% of the CFP revenue goes to the conferences, while ONLY 15% of the NCAAT revenue gets distributed back to conferences. The other 85% is used to subsidize non-revenue D1, D2, and D3 sports.

If the distribution onus was flipped to football, the old Big East would still be alive. Each tournament credit would be worth $10M-12M instead of the $2M it’s worth right now, meaning that our tournament run this year would have generated $60M-72M in credits rather than $12M.

How long will it be until the power conferences make their own basketball tournament? 15% of $1B is only $150M. Could a P5-only tournament generate more than $150M in TV revenue each year? Because that’s all it will take for those greedy SOB’s to start a movement to split.

When and how was it decided that basketball would be used to fund the sisters of the poor?

 

[uconn_jack]

The problem is we saw what happened to the Cuse, Pitt, and Louisville basketball programs when they left for more money and supposed greener pastures in the ACC, a conference they never fit with culturally. UConn in the Big 12 would be further out of place culturally than they were, with the added stress of ridiculous travel and lack of geographical rivals that fans care about. Of course the Big 12 has some better programs, but these are the same problems we had in the AAC and I just don't understand how so many people just assume we will be able to keep our identity and elite level in basketball if we move. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

 

[AntG168]

The problem is we saw what happened to the Cuse, Pitt, and Louisville basketball programs when they left for more money and supposed greener pastures in the ACC, a conference they never fit with culturally. UConn in the Big 12 would be further out of place culturally than they were, with the added stress of ridiculous travel and lack of geographical rivals that fans care about. Of course the Big 12 has some better programs, but these are the same problems we had in the AAC and I just don't understand how so many people just assume we will be able to keep our identity and elite level in basketball if we move. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Any boat is better than the ocean

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The problem is we saw what happened to the Cuse, Pitt, and Louisville basketball programs when they left for more money and supposed greener pastures in the ACC, a conference they never fit with culturally. UConn in the Big 12 would be further out of place culturally than they were, with the added stress of ridiculous travel and lack of geographical rivals that fans care about. Of course the Big 12 has some better programs, but these are the same problems we had in the AAC and I just don't understand how so many people just assume we will be able to keep our identity and elite level in basketball if we move. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

I think the common denominator on basketball programs leaving the BE and then deteriorating was a coaching issue. Bad coaching leads to weakened recruiting and poor performance. 4 and 5 stars wanna play for a top program with coaching that can win titles and get them to the NBA. It happened with Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, BC, and UConn. UConn brings the right coach in and they're right back to the top. The other programs - nope!!

 

[Viet Vet]

If the Big12 extends an offer......................grab it. Do not wait to see what Cuse, L-ville, Pitt, BC, etc decide to do. They abandoned us....................we can tell them to" await their turn" (nah...............tell BC to "F...off"). As was said about the potential pledges in "Animal House,"..............................."We need the dues".


Yes, we do.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If the Big12 extends an offer......................grab it. Do not wait to see what Cuse, L-ville, Pitt, BC, etc decide to do. They abandoned us....................we can tell them to" await their turn" (nah...............tell BC to "F...off"). As was said about the potential pledges in "Animal House,"..............................."We need the dues".


Yes, we do.

Agreed - greatness doesn't come from waiting to see what others do.

 

[WestHartHusk]

The problem is we saw what happened to the Cuse, Pitt, and Louisville basketball programs when they left for more money and supposed greener pastures in the ACC, a conference they never fit with culturally. UConn in the Big 12 would be further out of place culturally than they were, with the added stress of ridiculous travel and lack of geographical rivals that fans care about. Of course the Big 12 has some better programs, but these are the same problems we had in the AAC and I just don't understand how so many people just assume we will be able to keep our identity and elite level in basketball if we move. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Because other schools suck we will? You want to be the house on that and forego $350m in the process. Cuse, Pitt and Louisvilles problems aren’t cultural, it’s that they hired crappy coaches. Don’t do that.

 

[WestHartHusk]

This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.

 

[noeynox]

This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.

I don't know. The Dime Back podcast crew is all younger than that. Problem is this fanbase has a legit portion of the fanbase that either hates football or at least blames it for the bball struggles in the AAC. Some of them are younger types who since UConn can't be Ohio State they should just pack it in.

 

[CL82]

The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Maybe not, but in this case the money is definitely greener on the other side, like 10 times greener.

 

[aburks41]

Drop all non-revenue sports.

I wonder how the football schools were able to negotiate basketball subsidizing everything else while they keep their entire paycheck. I don’t know the history behind that, but yeah. It’s crazy to think that if football was paying the bills instead of NCAAT, then the basketball schools like UConn would be the most sought after school in conference realignment

 

[CL82]

I wonder how the football schools were able to negotiate basketball subsidizing everything else while they keep their entire paycheck. I don’t know the history behind that, but yeah. It’s crazy to think that if football was paying the bills instead of NCAAT, then the basketball schools like UConn would be the most sought after school in conference realignment

Maybe. Still a packed football stadium is a powerful money generating tool.

 

[HuskyHawk]

This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.

I'm 50+ and not in the stay in the Big East camp. But then I grew up around Big Eight football. Not much left of that, but I still think it would be a clear positive for UConn.

 

[John]

What does “modest regional basketball conference”. Your terminology is obviously meant to be demeaning but I don’t get your point. Isn’t every basketball conference regional? Well, maybe not the B1G once the west coast teams join, but who else isn’t regional?

He means regional in the sense that it's northeastern and midwestern.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Yes, ESPN has financial problems.

ESPN-SEC deal finally official, will go into effect in 2024
Are people really acting as if espn isn’t about to start paying the sec 300 million a year starting next year

 

[FfldCntyFan]

ESPN-SEC deal finally official, will go into effect in 2024
Are people really acting as if espn isn’t about to start paying the sec 300 million a year starting next year

Yes, but this is part of the reason they aren't willing to be generous when it comes to what they view as lesser conferences.

 

[willie99]

This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.

I am, if that helps

Wisdom is acquired with time. Maybe we're know we're in a good place, or maybe joining another makeshift conference in the state of flux is not such a great long-term solution, or maybe we don't share all those doomsday scenarios so many are predicting

Nope, we're in a good place once again, we're an attractive school for so many reasons, we'll be fine. We don't have to jump at the first opportunity if it's not an ideal situation.

Why are so many kids interested in joining the new AAC? You'd think experience taught them something

Worst case? We stay a basketball school with an emerging baseball program and a soon to be nationally recognized hockey program.

Money is nice, WINNING is more important to the fan

 

[husky429]

Wisdom is acquired with time.

That may be true everywhere but the 'Yard. I can personally confirm from having met some of you (and my own deteriorating sanity) that this place does nothing but burn brain cells like a flamethrower in a hay barn.

 

[aburks41]

Maybe. Still a packed football stadium is a powerful money generating tool.

For the schools themselves, sure. But, for example, Michigan's football ticket revenue is not being spread around the rest of the Big 10. The driver is the TV money. And the facts show that the NCAAT generates nearly twice as much TV revenue as the CFP and bowls do, despite Michigan's football attendance being 600,000 people per year vs - idk - 120,000 in basketball?

If the non-revenue D1, D2, and D3 subsidy source suddenly shifted to football instead of relying on the NCAAT, Michigan football's value to the Big 10 would plummet overnight. And Michigan basketball's value would 10x overnight.

 

[uconnric]

I am, if that helps

Wisdom is acquired with time. Maybe we're know we're in a good place, or maybe joining another makeshift conference in the state of flux is not such a great long-term solution, or maybe we don't share all those doomsday scenarios so many are predicting

Nope, we're in a good place once again, we're an attractive school for so many reasons, we'll be fine. We don't have to jump at the first opportunity if it's not an ideal situation.

Why are so many kids interested in joining the new AAC? You'd think experience taught them something

Worst case? We stay a basketball school with an emerging baseball program and a soon to be nationally recognized hockey program.

Money is nice, WINNING is more important to the fan

I'm well past 50 and have been a UConn fan since I was a kid listening to George Ehrlich broadcast the games, and an alum. What the hell is the new AAC? And you think winning can continue without the money to support athletics?

Dream on.

 

[willie99]

^^^
Did you know? Texas and Oklahoma are joining Missouri and Nebraska and Taxas A&M and Colorado on their way out.

Don't worry. AAC members Houston and Cincinnati and UCF are filling the void

Sorry Boys, the Big12 is not at the top if the food chain, they're not dealing from a position of strength, they're grasping. And they're a bad fit for us

Dream on

 

[Waquoit]

He means regional in the sense that it's northeastern and midwestern.

Please, he meant regional as a putdown