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The new Big East will be fine, just need to settle TV contract. I hate the ACC, I hope UConn never lands there. B1G is the best option. Let's hope for the best.
 
upstater said:
We currently get $3 million a year. You're saying our football and our basketball combined is not going to be more valuable than Providence and Seton Hall basketball?
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I don't have the specifics but I'm fairly certain we don't get $3 mil per year, I believe it's more like $5 mil. The quote below references the non-fb schools getting almost $3 mil per year, so we're definitely higher than that. But that includes pooling tier 3 contracts together (except women's bball) and distributing among the member schools. And yes, I don't think we're going to get more.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-schools-working-lucrative-tv-deal-basketball"Under the current Big East deal, which expires at the end of this season, the non-football schools receive between $2 million and $3 million from the television contract."
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-schools-working-lucrative-tv-deal-basketball
 
UConnDan97 said:
Secondly, if God forbid Geno retires, you don't think that Jen Rizzotti or the equivalent will be here coaching in a New York minute?
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Jen Rizzotti does not have the cachet of Geno Auriemma, just like Kevin Ollie does not have the cachet of Jim Calhoun. At a time of conference realignment, who would you rather have as head coach?
 
zls44 said:
Maryland doesn't, and look where it got them. Ditto Rutgers.

Try again.
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UMD has already been acknowledged. Thank you for your concern. However, they do have national championships in football, men's basketball and women's basketball.

On the other hand, Rutgers fans endlessly make mention of their TV numbers for some big football games.

Try again.
 
jostar1 said:
Jen Rizzotti does not have the cachet of Geno Auriemma, just like Kevin Ollie does not have the cachet of Jim Calhoun. At a time of conference realignment, who would you rather have as head coach?
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Kevin Ollie sure can be a positive in public relations. More so than Calhoun.
 
jostar1 said:
Jen Rizzotti does not have the cachet of Geno Auriemma, just like Kevin Ollie does not have the cachet of Jim Calhoun. At a time of conference realignment, who would you rather have as head coach?
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This shows that you don't watch much women's hoops. Jen Rizzotti is one of the most sought after coaches in the nation. It's also no secret that she is the heir-apparent for the UConn job, unless Geno decides to stay for an additional 15 year (which is possible). It's the reason she's stuck around at Hartford for this long. She loves Connecticut, plain and simple. Otherwise, she would already be coaching at Duke or Texas or any of the other jobs that had opened up in the last 5 years or so...
 
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ZooCougar said:
What positions do Fred Smith and Vince McMahon play?
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Don't know about Smith but I suspect that McMahon goes both ways.
 
UConnDan97 said:
This shows that you don't watch much women's hoops. Jen Rizzotti is one of the most sought after coaches in the nation. It's also no secret that she is the heir-apparent for the UConn job, unless Geno decides to stay for an additional 15 year (which is possible). It's the reason she's stuck around at Hartford for this long. She loves Connecticut, plain and simple. Otherwise, she would already be coaching at Duke or Texas or any of the other jobs that had opened up in the last 5 years or so...
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You are talking about the fans of women's basketball. Yes, they know Jennifer Rizzotti. Does anyone in the general public across the country know who Jennifer Rizzotti is? I doubt it. They know who Geno Auriemma is, though.
 
jostar1 said:
You are talking about a limited sub-set of people who are interested in women's basketball. I am talking about the general population.
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Only God knows what you are talking about.

If you are saying that our next coach won't attract the top women in high school, then you are talking out of your , as I have shown you that Rizzotti is more than known in the women's game and if not Rizzotti, then we would get yet another high profile coach.

If you are saying that Rizzotti or another high-profile women's coach needs to be a large enough national personality as to affect where we go in realignment, well....if Geno isn't big enough for that, then....
 
Butch said:
It's obvious that we've been the most successful school in basketball in the Big East's history. Football has been a drain on the conference but we have 2 BE titles and a BCS bowl appearance in less than 10 years. Now, we are where we are. It was not any of our doing. We're relatively new to the FBS level. Mostly timing is what brings us here. Just some thoughts in case we are still in the Big East beyond 2014.

Putting things in perspective, this conference will be OUR conference. Just as Michigan and Ohio State control the B1G, Texas controls the Big 12, probably UNC and Florida State control the ACC, we would be the most powerful school in the Big East. Even Boise State managed to whip the MWC. This is our chance to really grow more. That will require an upbeat mentality. Not attitudes that call for antidepressants. Out of all the schools in the Big East in the future, apart from Navy football, we are the only school that has a national audience (in basketball).

Our commissioner is a UConn grad. Tulane's president is a UConn grad. Vince McMahon of the WWE is a Connecticut resident and an ECU grad. Fred Smith, the University of Memphis' biggest booster, is a Yale grad. And who knows what other Connecticut connections there are. We are on top of this conference and let's make the best of it. USF, UCF, SMU, UH, Temple, Cincinnati, Tulane all offer us access to fertile recruiting grounds. What brings in Tulsa? I have no idea. Maybe a rivalry for SMU, UH, Memphis and Tulane. The whole conference's TV contract doesn't sound too appealing but I am just about positive we'll be able to create our own TV revenue streams.

If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

PS: I like that TJ Weist dude.
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It would be nice to be the junkyard dog of a conference, but in the end, we will still be a dog living in a junk yard.
 
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Butch said:
It's obvious that we've been the most successful school in basketball in the Big East's history. Football has been a drain on the conference but we have 2 BE titles and a BCS bowl appearance in less than 10 years. Now, we are where we are. It was not any of our doing. We're relatively new to the FBS level. Mostly timing is what brings us here. Just some thoughts in case we are still in the Big East beyond 2014.

Putting things in perspective, this conference will be OUR conference. Just as Michigan and Ohio State control the B1G, Texas controls the Big 12, probably UNC and Florida State control the ACC, we would be the most powerful school in the Big East. Even Boise State managed to whip the MWC. This is our chance to really grow more. That will require an upbeat mentality. Not attitudes that call for antidepressants. Out of all the schools in the Big East in the future, apart from Navy football, we are the only school that has a national audience (in basketball).

Our commissioner is a UConn grad. Tulane's president is a UConn grad. Vince McMahon of the WWE is a Connecticut resident and an ECU grad. Fred Smith, the University of Memphis' biggest booster, is a Yale grad. And who knows what other Connecticut connections there are. We are on top of this conference and let's make the best of it. USF, UCF, SMU, UH, Temple, Cincinnati, Tulane all offer us access to fertile recruiting grounds. What brings in Tulsa? I have no idea. Maybe a rivalry for SMU, UH, Memphis and Tulane. The whole conference's TV contract doesn't sound too appealing but I am just about positive we'll be able to create our own TV revenue streams.

If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.

PS: I like that TJ Weist dude.
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Butch, assuming Connecticut competes in some form of the NBE for a few years, I'm curious how you think our overall revenue position (inclusive of our NBE TV share and assuming we retain our Tier 3) compares to the Big 4 or even the ACC?

What exactly are you and others like Carl anticipating from the NBE TV contract that has you optimistic?
 
RMoore1999 said:
Butch, assuming Connecticut competes in some form of the NBE for a few years, I'm curious how you think our overall revenue position (inclusive of our NBE TV share and assuming we retain our Tier 3) compares to the Big 4 or even the ACC?

What exactly are you and others like Carl anticipating from the NBE TV contract that has you optimistic?
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I won't speak for those guys. But what I'll say is that in the short term, the NBE will still serve our purposes. We will still be able to operate in the black, holding our contracts with IMG, Nike, and SNY currently. Of course, in the long term, the NBE as it currently looks is not the answer. Short term answer in a world where things seem to change every 20 minutes....
 
UConnDan97 said:
I won't speak for those guys. But what I'll say is that in the short term, the NBE will still serve our purposes. We will still be able to operate in the black, holding our contracts with IMG, Nike, and SNY currently. Of course, in the long term, the NBE as it currently looks is not the answer. Short term answer in a world where things seem to change every 20 minutes....
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I hope you are right, but I'm less optimistic. Operating in the black is nice, but the revenue gap with the Big 6 will be HUGE, I fear, almost certainly relegating the NBE to mid-major status. Hoops will still have a shot at being competitive, but football will be hard-pressed to compete under that model.

Again, I dont think Connecticut plays in a league like that for more than a year or so; I'm more interested in the composition of the conference that will be comprised of the ACC leftovers.
 
"The whole conference's TV contract doesn't sound too appealing but I am just about positive we'll be able to create our own TV revenue streams."

Your pessimism is blinding your ability to read.
 
RMoore1999 said:
I hope you are right, but I'm less optimistic. Operating in the black is nice, but the revenue gap with the Big 6 will be HUGE, I fear, almost certainly relegating the NBE to mid-major status. Hoops will still have a shot at being competitive, but football will be hard-pressed to compete under that model.

Again, I dont think Connecticut plays in a league like that for more than a year or so; I'm more interested in the composition of the conference that will be comprised of the ACC leftovers.
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Also keep in mind that there is still a battle going on for some big-time money; namely the NCAA hoops credits and the Big East exit fees. If they fall to the football teams, then splitting that money 10 ways instead of 18 means we'll actually make more money than we used to. However, all of that is up in the air right now. Still, our options are limited to:

1) NBE
2) C-7 hoops and Indy football
3) MAC or C-USA (not options at all!)
4) Conglomerate with Mountain West and NBE (not much different in terms of revenue stream)

So, NBE it is......for now....
 
RMoore1999 said:
I hope you are right, but I'm less optimistic. Operating in the black is nice, but the revenue gap with the Big 6 will be HUGE, I fear, almost certainly relegating the NBE to mid-major status. Hoops will still have a shot at being competitive, but football will be hard-pressed to compete under that model.
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Big 6? Who exactly is #6?
 
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Butch said:
Big 6? Who exactly is #6?
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Meant Big 4 (to me that's the B1G, SEC, PAC12 and as of today at least, B12). Not sure if you read my prior post in this thread, but i think that provided the context.

My pessimism notwithstanding, I read what you wrote. The part that interested me was "but I am just about positive we'll be able to create our own TV revenue streams." What do you anticipate above and beyond what we already have in place? Was not trying to put you on the defensive, just curious.

I wonder if your optimism might be somewhat misplaced when you compare our anticipated TOTAL revenue in any conference other than a Big 4 conference to any school in a Big 4 conference.
 
RMoore1999 said:
Meant Big 4 (to me that's the B1G, SEC, PAC12 and as of today at least, B12). Not sure if you read my prior post in this thread, but i think that provided the context.

My pessimism notwithstanding, I read what you wrote. The part that interested me was "but I am just about positive we'll be able to create our own TV revenue streams." What do you anticipate above and beyond what we already have in place? Was not trying to put you on the defensive, just curious.

I wonder if your optimism might be somewhat misplaced when you compare our anticipated TOTAL revenue in any conference other than a Big 4 conference to any school in a Big 4 conference.
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I just know of SNY and know they pay around $1 million for women's basketball alone. I am no pro on the TV stuff. Would have to ask someone else. My only point was that we have to make the best of what we have and it can be done. As long as we have warrior mentalities and not constantly whine. I already know the Big 4 eclipse everyone else. One of those conferences should be our end goal.
 
Did some research on the football recruiting of the schools that would be coming in. Most of them are comparable to lower end "Power 5" schools. We even have a better recruit class coming in than Syracuse. So does just about everyone else, besides Tulane and Memphis. Even Temple is getting more 3-star recruits than Syracuse at the moment. Houston is out-recruiting Wake Forest and Colorado. Their class is one 4-star recruit short of almost matching Illinois. ECU is one 4-star and one 3-star recruit short of matching NC State. This conference is not as bad as it is being made out to be. Of course, we all want more TV revenue and prestige. It's definitely not as if we've become the Sun Belt or the MAC or what's left of the C-USA. Collectively, we also are recruiting better than much of the MWC. Tulane and Memphis have the weakest recruiting classes for 2013 by quite a margin. Tulane is out-recruiting Southern Mississippi.

There are four schools in the ACC that blow away everyone in this conference, recruiting-wise. Clemson, Florida State, UNC and Virginia Tech. UVA is a few 4-star recruits better. Let's hope we can start pulling in more 4-star recruits.
 
Forgot Miami and Louisville. They are also a few 4-star recruits better. Just had to add them before someone goes over the edge. Just about all of ACC schools mentioned are looking for greener pastures. What would be left of the ACC would around equal with what the Big East is becoming.
 
Butch said:
I just know of SNY and know they pay around $1 million for women's basketball alone. I am no pro on the TV stuff. Would have to ask someone else. My only point was that we have to make the best of what we have and it can be done. As long as we have warrior mentalities and not constantly whine. I already know the Big 4 eclipse everyone else. One of those conferences should be our end goal.
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Has anoyone indicate where tier 3 rights are going to stand in the NBE tv deal? It is very important the NNNBE does not sign its tier 3 rights away as part of its tv deal like the ACC did. Losing SNY contracts would be very bad right now.
 
Marty Jackson said:
the frustrating aspect in this for me is that I believe certain schools are leaving money on the table.
I think there are enough solid programs to build a solid east west split for all sports that could keep travel minimized with limited crossover games. I think such a league would be competitive for both fb and bb, and present a much better tv contract than what is currently out there for any league outside the top 5.
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I agree.

But ... with limited Exit Fees, I think we are going to see another bite at this apple. Once an "Alternative" League gets set, there simply is far too much money from the ACC contract (let alone the B12, Pac12, B1G, SEC) to this NEXT level. It still is good football .,. in Major Urban market penetration.

So, once the Network execs see that UConn, Cincy et al are stable (may take a few years), then you can see a Mid-level contract that far outpaces the meager MWC offerings. Someone will fund a basic east west split National league. And the football? It will be, at times, more fun than watching the second tier B1G or SEC game.
 
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All of us are new-blood to the "upper-tier" since the BCS era started. UH, SMU, Cincinnati all were part of decent conferences before being relegated. I don't know about Temple. Tulane relegated themselves. UCF and USF are new-blood, period. Huge schools.
 
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