Please tell me again how college basketball doesn’t have an officiating problem

[willstafa24]

Grab 3 of your friends. Tell 1 to stand in front of you, tell another to start rushing at you from 3 feet away, and jump over them both to sling a basketball 40 feet away to the third guy before they can steal it from you

Let us know if you can do that without your legs swinging out

True. And maybe in 10 instances you swing your leg 4 times and 4 times you don't and 2 times you don't try to jump at all. It's just an athletic bball play. That's all.

If he kicked him in the leg no one would care.

 

[Kolumbo]

This deserves a Steve Inman presentation

 

[gwhuskyfan]

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Go do the motion in your living room and tell me if you kick even close to that. I get people want to all jump on the refs here and I think flagrant 2 is a stretch, but the idea that this was a natural basketball move is just silly.

There’s a part of me that still thinks you’re trolling. That’s how nuts this take is. He’s torquing his body in the air making a cross court pass. Everything about that play looks 100% natural.

 

[uconnfan68]

Grab 2 of your friends, and someone you don't like. Tell that 1 to stand in front of you, tell anothers to start rushing at you from 3 feet away, and jump over them both to sling a basketball 40 feet away to the third guy before they can steal it from you

Let us know if you can do that without your legs swinging out

ftfy

 

[WhereistheDove?]

There’s a part of me that still thinks you’re trolling. That’s how nuts this take is. He’s torquing his body in the air making a cross court pass. Everything about that play looks 100% natural.

I’m not but we clearly just disagree on this. It’s fine.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Go do the motion in your living room and tell me if you kick even close to that. I get people want to all jump on the refs here and I think flagrant 2 is a stretch, but the idea that this was a natural basketball move is just silly.

The pass or the getting kicked in the taint motion?

 

[JMick]

I forget what game it was but Hurley started walking away after talking to a ref and the dude followed him back into the huddle too. It was ridiculous

 

[superjohn]

There was a call today where Mahaney took a corner three that went OB and was CLEALY tipped by the defender because it completely altered the flight of the ball. Did they think Mahaney was such a bad shooter that he just shoots it to the baseline? You have to be a stoonad to miss a call that bad.

That was insane, they must really think Mahaney stinks. They think a shooter just misses a three by 20 feet.

 

[RuffRuff]

That was insane, they must really think Mahaney stinks. They think a shooter just misses a three by 20 feet.

Calls like that which make you REALLY question whether they are adequate vetting these guys for vision.

 

[prankster]

Calls like that which make you REALLY question whether they are adequate vetting these guys for vision.

IDK about the vision thing.

Every flagrant is reviewed to make the flagrant 1 v flagrant 2 (or, possibly, just plain foul, or "play on) determination. They reviewed this one, too.

Missing the proper call in real time? That could be attributable to vision. But replay review? That gets clear into the "willful blindness" category.

 

[Excalibur]

IDK about the vision thing.

Every flagrant is reviewed to make the flagrant 1 v flagrant 2 (or, possibly, just plain foul, or "play on) determination. They reviewed this one, too.

Missing the proper call in real time? That could be attributable to vision. But replay review? That gets clear into the "willful blindness" category.

No call was made at the time. They went from nothing to a flagrant 2.

When a call like that happens after a review, it’s silly to not question their motives . . .

 

[DRBackup]

I gotta say, the kick looked intentional to me. That is in no way a normal movement in that situation. So it is at a minimum a flagrant 1. And once you get to it being intentional, now the question is whether it was aimed for the family jewels or not? I can see how the refs got there.

He actually turned, in mid air, to pass the ball, and the leg was a reflex from the turn and pass, to maintain his balance. 100% accidental

 

[Stew Crew]

Matt Potter has done it more than once at Gampel, most recently in the Creighton game. He was aggressively ushering Hurley into the huddle and kept bumping his chest into Hurley.

Potter and Tony Chiazza both did last nights game. They are 2 of the 3 worst officials in the Big East. It’s not too surprising that the Big East has so many poor officials. John Cahill is head of officiating. He was also an awful referee.

 

[Jbirdp5]

I’m not saying it was intentional to the nuggets. It looked like an intentional kick though. There is no reason he should have had to kick out with the play he made. Could have gone up and down easily. So you’re at least at flagrant 1.

I don’t think he could have thrown the ball cross court while falling in the opposite direction without kicking his leg like that to get enough torque to throw the ball…..

 

[jibsey]

I gotta say, the kick looked intentional to me. That is in no way a normal movement in that situation. So it is at a minimum a flagrant 1. And once you get to it being intentional, now the question is whether it was aimed for the family jewels or not? I can see how the refs got there.

He was falling backwards on the kick and I actually saw this last year with Kaitlin Clark who did this, fell to the floor and got 3 shots in a game. Whether it was intentional or not is not the point because if you do it you should know that you can be called for it, and I say that even if the defender is close to invading the shooter’s landing space. Simply don’t kick out.
Probably not done intentionally 100%.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

He was falling backwards on the kick and I actually saw this last year with Kaitlin Clark who did this, fell to the floor and got 3 shots in a game. Whether it was intentional or not is not the point because if you do it you should know that you can be called for it, and I say that even if the defender is close to invading the shooter’s landing space. Simply don’t kick out.
Probably not done intentionally 100%.

I think some folks on this discussion are massively overstating how much he’s falling away and how much he’s turning mid-jump. He almost goes straight up and down and turns maybe ten degrees on the throw? This is not Jeter’s jump throw to first.

 

[BFieldHusky]

Matt Potter has done it more than once at Gampel, most recently in the Creighton game. He was aggressively ushering Hurley into the huddle and kept bumping his chest into Hurley.

Potter and Tony Chiazza both did last nights game. They are 2 of the 3 worst officials in the Big East. It’s not too surprising that the Big East has so many poor officials. John Cahill is head of officiating. He was also an awful referee.

Cahill lives near some of my family in Albany. Let's just say he has made it known for a while that he hated Calhoun.

 

[WrenchFan69]

Watching the Gonzaga highlights back this morning. A bunch of the calls in the paint were made by the highside ref who literally isn't in the frame. Always funny to see

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Not the way you’d think though lol

 

[Palatine]

As long as it is horrible for both sides, I'm good with it.

 

[ColchVEGAS]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

 

[TRUCONN76]

I don't see any mention of expectations from the officials themselves or of a goal from the participant leagues of consistent calls and consistent interpretation of the rules and a feedback process to the officials. Having a process in place to promote consistency and fairness would go a long way in fans perception of what is going on.

What I read sounds like a grammar school objective of not hurting their feelings when they make obvious bad calls.

 

[InKembaITrust]

Seems over-excessive. These refs are grown men and know what they sign up for.

Looks like not everyone's strong enough to face the wrath of Hurley.

 

[boog204]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

Yup... people have been having conniptions about the "freedom of movement" bs all year. We hold and bump, too. BE officials don't call it. Once we get the tourney, those might get called. But let's not act like we're constantly facing Glavine and Maddux and not getting the outside corner call. And 99% of the fouls that are called on us is because we are collectively terrible defensively.

 

[How Sway?!]

Seems over-excessive. These refs are grown men and know what they sign up for.

Looks like not everyone's strong enough to face the wrath of Hurley.

Pretty sure the issue is not Hurley or other coaches but fans on social media who take it too far. It is a fact that less people are becoming refs at the lower levels because the pay is not worth dealing with all the BS that comes along with it.

 

[prankster]

Are we really all that interested in retention of officials?

Or should we be more interested in the actual removal of obviously bad officials?

 

[ec33]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

This isn't true.

Calling touch falls when driving and ignoring holding players without the ball equally on the both sides impacts the game and unfairly can unfairly bias the outcome of the game (see every UConn Big East game).

These decisions are not neutral to the outcome of the game.

Don't get me started on how this impacts big football games.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Pretty sure the issue is not Hurley or other coaches but fans on social media who take it too far. It is a fact that less people are becoming refs at the lower levels because the pay is not worth dealing with all the BS that comes along with it.

There’s a difference between youth level refs and collegiate/pro. I think I read a high level college basketball ref makes 4K per game. Not saying the initiative is bad itself but to not address the poor officiating at the league level is dumb too. The Big 12 responded to poor officiating over the weekend.

 

[Storrs South]

I don't see any mention of expectations from the officials themselves or of a goal from the participant leagues of consistent calls and consistent interpretation of the rules and a feedback process to the officials. Having a process in place to promote consistency and fairness would go a long way in fans perception of what is going on.

What I read sounds like a grammar school objective of not hurting their feelings when they make obvious bad calls.

Coaches have mentioned before they do have a contact with the Big East to express concerns about officiating, but as best I can tell all I have ever heard materialize from these discussions is this individual will basically confirm or disagree with the grievance. I have yet to hear anything tangible comes out of those discussions when coaches do have fair complaints. And that's the problem.