Please tell me again how college basketball doesn’t have an officiating problem

[REB1094]

Grab 3 of your friends. Tell 1 to stand in front of you, tell another to start rushing at you from 3 feet away, and jump over them both to sling a basketball 40 feet away to the third guy before they can steal it from you

Let us know if you can do that without your legs swinging out

 

[Excalibur]

Then the coach getting T-ed up afterwards is a nice little insult to injury.

Twice. And tossed. Along with another player.

I don’t think there’s anything that they could have done that I would’ve said is an overreaction.

 

[Icehawk]

Sure seems like a play on accident, sheesh. If it was us, would have been called a foul on the dude getting nut kicked (and you know it would be Karaban!)

 

[willstafa24]

Go do the motion in your living room and tell me if you kick even close to that. I get people want to all jump on the refs here and I think flagrant 2 is a stretch, but the idea that this was a natural basketball move is just silly.

It's not natural or unnatural. It's just a thing our mind does unconsciously in order to make a split second, athletic play. He wasn't jumping out of bounds and swung his leg out. He was making an intelligent bball play while two guys were harassing him, which led to an open 3.

 

[Padutch5]

It would be an impressive feat out of the double team to find and hit the open man across the court and simultaneously intentionally scissor-kick his opponent in the balls at the same time.

You obviously dont watch much basketball. Many players have perfected the leg kick while taking a three point shot. It often gets a call against the defender.

 

[willstafa24]

Grab 3 of your friends. Tell 1 to stand in front of you, tell another to start rushing at you from 3 feet away, and jump over them both to sling a basketball 40 feet away to the third guy before they can steal it from you

Let us know if you can do that without your legs swinging out

True. And maybe in 10 instances you swing your leg 4 times and 4 times you don't and 2 times you don't try to jump at all. It's just an athletic bball play. That's all.

If he kicked him in the leg no one would care.

 

[Kolumbo]

This deserves a Steve Inman presentation

 

[gwhuskyfan]

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Go do the motion in your living room and tell me if you kick even close to that. I get people want to all jump on the refs here and I think flagrant 2 is a stretch, but the idea that this was a natural basketball move is just silly.

There’s a part of me that still thinks you’re trolling. That’s how nuts this take is. He’s torquing his body in the air making a cross court pass. Everything about that play looks 100% natural.

 

[uconnfan68]

Grab 2 of your friends, and someone you don't like. Tell that 1 to stand in front of you, tell anothers to start rushing at you from 3 feet away, and jump over them both to sling a basketball 40 feet away to the third guy before they can steal it from you

Let us know if you can do that without your legs swinging out

ftfy

 

[WhereistheDove?]

There’s a part of me that still thinks you’re trolling. That’s how nuts this take is. He’s torquing his body in the air making a cross court pass. Everything about that play looks 100% natural.

I’m not but we clearly just disagree on this. It’s fine.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Go do the motion in your living room and tell me if you kick even close to that. I get people want to all jump on the refs here and I think flagrant 2 is a stretch, but the idea that this was a natural basketball move is just silly.

The pass or the getting kicked in the taint motion?

 

[JMick]

I forget what game it was but Hurley started walking away after talking to a ref and the dude followed him back into the huddle too. It was ridiculous

 

[superjohn]

There was a call today where Mahaney took a corner three that went OB and was CLEALY tipped by the defender because it completely altered the flight of the ball. Did they think Mahaney was such a bad shooter that he just shoots it to the baseline? You have to be a stoonad to miss a call that bad.

That was insane, they must really think Mahaney stinks. They think a shooter just misses a three by 20 feet.

 

[RuffRuff]

That was insane, they must really think Mahaney stinks. They think a shooter just misses a three by 20 feet.

Calls like that which make you REALLY question whether they are adequate vetting these guys for vision.

 

[prankster]

Calls like that which make you REALLY question whether they are adequate vetting these guys for vision.

IDK about the vision thing.

Every flagrant is reviewed to make the flagrant 1 v flagrant 2 (or, possibly, just plain foul, or "play on) determination. They reviewed this one, too.

Missing the proper call in real time? That could be attributable to vision. But replay review? That gets clear into the "willful blindness" category.

 

[Excalibur]

IDK about the vision thing.

Every flagrant is reviewed to make the flagrant 1 v flagrant 2 (or, possibly, just plain foul, or "play on) determination. They reviewed this one, too.

Missing the proper call in real time? That could be attributable to vision. But replay review? That gets clear into the "willful blindness" category.

No call was made at the time. They went from nothing to a flagrant 2.

When a call like that happens after a review, it’s silly to not question their motives . . .

 

[DRBackup]

I gotta say, the kick looked intentional to me. That is in no way a normal movement in that situation. So it is at a minimum a flagrant 1. And once you get to it being intentional, now the question is whether it was aimed for the family jewels or not? I can see how the refs got there.

He actually turned, in mid air, to pass the ball, and the leg was a reflex from the turn and pass, to maintain his balance. 100% accidental

 

[Stew Crew]

Matt Potter has done it more than once at Gampel, most recently in the Creighton game. He was aggressively ushering Hurley into the huddle and kept bumping his chest into Hurley.

Potter and Tony Chiazza both did last nights game. They are 2 of the 3 worst officials in the Big East. It’s not too surprising that the Big East has so many poor officials. John Cahill is head of officiating. He was also an awful referee.

 

[Jbirdp5]

I’m not saying it was intentional to the nuggets. It looked like an intentional kick though. There is no reason he should have had to kick out with the play he made. Could have gone up and down easily. So you’re at least at flagrant 1.

I don’t think he could have thrown the ball cross court while falling in the opposite direction without kicking his leg like that to get enough torque to throw the ball…..

 

[jibsey]

I gotta say, the kick looked intentional to me. That is in no way a normal movement in that situation. So it is at a minimum a flagrant 1. And once you get to it being intentional, now the question is whether it was aimed for the family jewels or not? I can see how the refs got there.

He was falling backwards on the kick and I actually saw this last year with Kaitlin Clark who did this, fell to the floor and got 3 shots in a game. Whether it was intentional or not is not the point because if you do it you should know that you can be called for it, and I say that even if the defender is close to invading the shooter’s landing space. Simply don’t kick out.
Probably not done intentionally 100%.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

He was falling backwards on the kick and I actually saw this last year with Kaitlin Clark who did this, fell to the floor and got 3 shots in a game. Whether it was intentional or not is not the point because if you do it you should know that you can be called for it, and I say that even if the defender is close to invading the shooter’s landing space. Simply don’t kick out.
Probably not done intentionally 100%.

I think some folks on this discussion are massively overstating how much he’s falling away and how much he’s turning mid-jump. He almost goes straight up and down and turns maybe ten degrees on the throw? This is not Jeter’s jump throw to first.

 

[BFieldHusky]

Matt Potter has done it more than once at Gampel, most recently in the Creighton game. He was aggressively ushering Hurley into the huddle and kept bumping his chest into Hurley.

Potter and Tony Chiazza both did last nights game. They are 2 of the 3 worst officials in the Big East. It’s not too surprising that the Big East has so many poor officials. John Cahill is head of officiating. He was also an awful referee.

Cahill lives near some of my family in Albany. Let's just say he has made it known for a while that he hated Calhoun.

 

[WrenchFan69]

Watching the Gonzaga highlights back this morning. A bunch of the calls in the paint were made by the highside ref who literally isn't in the frame. Always funny to see