Player Evaluation

[meyers7]

Just confused why you called them upperclassmen?

Just listing the roster for Alumni69. They were "upper" to the freshmen I guess.

 

[phil sampieri]

Reducing everything to simple math.

Good things: points, steals, rebounds, assists . Put these in the numerator.
Bad things: turnovers, misses, fouls. Put these in the denominator.

Did I miss any good or bad thing that can be counted?

Rating = (pts x steals x rebounds x assists) / (tos x misses x fouls)
or
Rating = (pts + steals + rebounds+ assists) / (tos + misses + fouls)

Crazy, huh?

But for you guys who seem to have access to every number in UCONN WBB history it might be interesting to calculate for a couple of our greatest stars, a couple of our good players and a couple of our poorer (did we have any) players. May have to correlate within position though; i.e. not compare a center to a guard, etc.

If nothing else we might finally prove that players can't be compared using statistics (something we already know).
Please don't write me back saying this is nonsense I already know that.

Hate to be a stick in the mud but statistics such as yours really don't measure one player from another necessarily.Making a three
after the opposing team just made a run, quiting the home crowd deserves as much as credit as 4 or 6 points in certain instances.
Diana could have averaged 10 more points a game had she hoisted more shots per game. She had the ability above any player I
ever saw in making that game momentum shifting shot too many times to count.

 

[CCinCT]

Hate to be a stick in the mud but statistics such as yours really don't measure one player from another necessarily.Making a three
after the opposing team just made a run, quiting the home crowd deserves as much as credit as 4 or 6 points in certain instances.
Diana could have averaged 10 more points a game had she hoisted more shots per game. She had the ability above any player I
ever saw in making that game momentum shifting shot too many times to count.

Exactly, and if I had to pick one player to make that game ending shot I would pick Diana over any UCONN player before or after. If we could pin Geno down and make him give us the answer to who he would have taking the shot with the game on the line, who would he pick ?

If I had to pick a player to build a team around, it would be Diana and I think she pretty much proved why 2002 -2004.

Stats are fun, but they don't come anywhere close to telling the whole story. Why was Shenika? Smith picked to take the last shot for SJU ? I don't think it was her 3 point shooting stats.

 

[Sonny44]

Yea, I agree.

 

[Bestiarius]

Thanks JRRRJ, love the per 40 minutes stats. So much more meaningful than the more commonly available numbers. Tiffany really shines. Although she doesn't start, KML averages more minutes than 2 starters and almost as many minutes as Kelly. Heather is the leading rebounder, but she is usually in when the opponents subs are in. Kelly is the team leader in assists & steals. Lots of other interesting facts too.

 

[Bestiarius]

Exactly, and if I had to pick one player to make that game ending shot I would pick Diana over any UCONN player before or after. If we could pin Geno down and make him give us the answer to who he would have taking the shot with the game on the line, who would he pick ?

If I had to pick a player to build a team around, it would be Diana and I think she pretty much proved why 2002 -2004.

Stats are fun, but they don't come anywhere close to telling the whole story. Why was Shenika? Smith picked to take the last shot for SJU ? I don't think it was her 3 point shooting stats.

I could never understand the concept of the "clutch" player. Usually, it's the best player that is expected to take the shot, except when it's expected that the best player will be heavily covered, then some unsuspected player would get the job with a specially designed play.

Regarding Diana, I think I'd like to see her take shots at any point during the game, not just the last shot. Besides, how many games did Diana play where a buzzer beater was necessary? It only takes a couple or three made shots at the right time to give that player a nerves-of-steel rep for the rest of their career. Bria has been that person lately after her critical makes last year, but we'll see how the SJU last-second miss affects her savior role in the future.

I agree stats don't tell the whole story. There are so many factors other than the numbers that influence the outcome of games. Plus, our perception of what is going on in a game - what we are seeing is flawed and skewed by our perceptions and personal prejudices. If it wasn't, we'd all agree on who the best players were. Even the Tennessee fans would agree that Uconn had the better players

My interest in stats is to provide an additional dimension when watching the games. That's why I'm asking if anyone has come up with a method of assigning points to the various stat categories in hopes that when the numbers were calculated, the result would closely parallel what happened in the game. If that could be achieved, the numbers would truly be a good indication of which players were the most valuable. Of course, we may not want this, because we'd have little to talk about.

 

[Icebear]

I would put Sue right there with Diana when it comes to the end of game situation.

 

[JonB]

My interest in stats is to provide an additional dimension when watching the games. That's why I'm asking if anyone has come up with a method of assigning points to the various stat categories in hopes that when the numbers were calculated, the result would closely parallel what happened in the game. If that could be achieved, the numbers would truly be a good indication of which players were the most valuable. Of course, we may not want this, because we'd have little to talk about.

Agreed, but it's also the case that a number of measurables simply aren't readily available. For example, with what speed does each guard catch and throw the ball around the perimeter, such as when trying to get a zone defense moving to open up a driving or passing lane? The speed of the ball movement is critical in getting the defense out of position, but have you ever seen a published statistic on how fast a player catches and passes (like the measures of a pitcher's time to the plate)? I sure haven't -- which is not to say the coaching staff isn't measuring that sort of thing.

Another example: box-outs. How many times in a game does a UConn player get a rebound in part because other players have found and boxed out an opposing player? (I'm picturing Kelly doing that as I write this.) Is there a stat that shows how many box-outs each player made as a percentage of the number of rebound opportunities? That would be interesting, wouldn't it?

So, one reason stats tell only part of the story is that we just don't have the stats for a lot of things. I'm not talking about intangibles like leadership; I'm talking about physical measures of performance that we simply don't have available. Of course, if we did have them it would only lead to more arguments discussion about what those numbers mean!