OT: Play GM, fix my Celtics this season

[ucp990411]

Tatum has become Carmelo Anthony, supreme ball stopper. Might be time for Brad to go. Seriously, what has he done other than coach under achieving teams?

 

[elmcityboy]

Tatum has become Carmelo Anthony, supreme ball stopper. Might be time for Brad to go. Seriously, what has he done other than coach under achieving teams?

tatum averaging a career-high 4.5 assists (2.5 turnovers) in his 4th season. melo only ever got above 4 in one season (his second-to-last with the knicks) and has a career 1:1 ratio.

stevens has made the eastern conference finals in 3 of the last 4 years, including two appearances that were very clearly with OVER-achieving teams. i agree that this season is disaster, but to say he has done nothing is a bit of an overstatement.

 

[Scoe]

Celtics wanna take the next they should hire Jim Calhoun.

 

[husky429]

Semi was a second rounder - look at the 2017 2nd round 2017 NBA Draft | Basketball-Reference.com and tell me he's a miss. Absolutely not.

I know Semi was a second rounder. Without looking I think he and Edwards were in the 30-40 range.

And yes he's a miss. He doesn't score enough to be a legit bench piece. Not surprising as a second rounder... but when youve had 55 million picks in the last 3 years you'd think ONE guy outside a top 10 pick could put up 10 points a game. It's not about.any inodividual bad pick. It's about a trend of bad picks.

 

[UConn990411]

Don't trade Enes Kanter for one thing. We all know he mails it in a lot but he is still an 11/11 guy this season in 26 minutes a game of semi-caring, and he shows up for the playoffs.

Theis is not close to good enough to start for a playoff team and the rest of the front court is mix-and-match role players.

Ainge should have also traded Tatum when his value was at its peak. Tatum is a good player that thinks he is one of the best in the NBA. He isn't.

Hahaha

 

[HooperScooper]

I know Semi was a second rounder. Without looking I think he and Edwards were in the 30-40 range.

And yes he's a miss. He doesn't score enough to be a legit bench piece. Not surprising as a second rounder... but when youve had 55 million picks in the last 3 years you'd think ONE guy outside a top 10 pick could put up 10 points a game. It's not about.any inodividual bad pick. It's about a trend of bad picks.

There is one guy. But he's still a rookie and hasn't had enough service time to prove he can provide 10 ppg. Maybe in a year or two he'll be that guy.

 

[the Q]

Tatum has become Carmelo Anthony, supreme ball stopper. Might be time for Brad to go. Seriously, what has he done other than coach under achieving teams?

The Miami series was the first series Stevens lost as a favorite

And if jaylen brown doesn’t play awful defense on that Inbound and Hayward doesn’t get hurt, Boston is in the finals last year

Miami was a fluke that got hot at the right time in a weird situation.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I know Semi was a second rounder. Without looking I think he and Edwards were in the 30-40 range.

And yes he's a miss. He doesn't score enough to be a legit bench piece. Not surprising as a second rounder... but when youve had 55 million picks in the last 3 years you'd think ONE guy outside a top 10 pick could put up 10 points a game. It's not about.any inodividual bad pick. It's about a trend of bad picks.

Semi can shoot and is the second best defender on the team. He doesn’t score because they don’t give him the ball. He’s shooting 38% from 3.

 

[superjohn]

The Miami series was the first series Stevens lost as a favorite

And if jaylen brown doesn’t play awful defense on that Inbound and Hayward doesn’t get hurt, Boston is in the finals last year

Miami was a fluke that got hot at the right time in a weird situation.

You could say that about half of UConn's national championships. UConn was better than everyone they played and the Heat were better than the Celtics.

 

[the Q]

You could say that about half of UConn's national championships. UConn was better than everyone they played and the Heat were better than the Celtics.

Without hayward.

Ignoring his injury is just beyond dishonest.

Injuries happen. Sure. But that doesn’t mean Stevens is the problem considering how close that series was.

 

[superjohn]

Without hayward.

Ignoring his injury is just beyond dishonest.

Injuries happen. Sure. But that doesn’t mean Stevens is the problem considering how close that series was.

They had Hayward for games 3-6. I guess we'll have to call the Lakers winning in the finals a fluke because 3 of the Heat top 4 players were hurt.

 

[the Q]

They had Hayward for games 3-6. I guess we'll have to call the Lakers winning in the finals a fluke because 3 of the Heat top 4 players were hurt.

And with a healthy hayward it likely would’ve been a 3-0 Celtics lead.

I think the entire bubble was a fluke. You see many of the bubble stars not able to do anything close to it for a reason.

 

[superjohn]

And with a healthy hayward it likely would’ve been a 3-0 Celtics lead.

I think the entire bubble was a fluke. You see many of the bubble stars not able to do anything close to it for a reason.

This is a serious homer take.

They played 4 games with Hayward and they split those games but the Celtics would've been up 3-0 had they had Hayward the first 2 games. Lol.

 

[the Q]

This is a serious homer take.

They played 4 games with Hayward and they split those games but the Celtics would've been up 3-0 had they had Hayward the first 2 games. Lol.

Uhhh they lost 2 very close game and won game 3. Not that that hard to figure out, you’re intentionally being obtuse.

and Hayward still wasn’t 100% when he came back.

Again things happen. But the horrible bench built by Danny was a bigger factor than anything about Stevens

 

[superjohn]

Uhhh they lost 2 very close game and won game 3. Not that that hard to figure out, you’re intentionally being obtuse.

and Hayward still wasn’t 100% when he came back.

Again things happen. But the horrible bench built by Danny was a bigger factor than anything about Stevens

This is some of the most amazing homerism I've seen, they would've dominated the series and been up 3-0 if Hayward was there for the first 2 games. You should give the Celtics the clean sweep if they had Hayward for the first 4 games instead of just the second 2.

I haven't said anything about Stevens coaching in that series or any of his coaching while in Boston but it was no fluke Miami won that series, they were the better team.

 

[formerlurker]

Your Celtics already have someone playing GM.

 

[the Q]

This is some of the most amazing homerism I've seen, they would've dominated the series and been up 3-0 if Hayward was there for the first 2 games. You should give the Celtics the clean sweep if they had Hayward for the first 4 games instead of just the second 2.

I haven't said anything about Stevens coaching in that series or any of his coaching while in Boston but it was no fluke Miami won that series, they were the better team.

They lost one game in ot and one in the last two minutes without their best 3pt shooter and secondary ball handler.

Ans yes, the roster had no defensive answer for bam. None. He’s basically the reason they signed Thompson this offseason.

 

[Kenny11]

I think Brad has to be more strict with what he lets slide. As great as Tatum is, he probably has the worst shot selection in the nba. He settles of off balance side step jump shots all the time when he can get to the hoop much easier. That’s really just laziness. Smart and his return is vital to the team but he takes horrible shots too. Instituting a couple of rules like “no bad shots” or “move the ball” would be a great start. Unfortunately the Celtics have a lot of draft picks on their bench that aren’t very desirable for other teams.

 

[Waquoit]

Ainge doesn't have a plan but he's been lucky. Now, not so much luck and they stink.

 

[the Q]

Ainge doesn't have a plan but he's been lucky. Now, not so much luck and they stink.

His good luck is almost entirely that the nets collapsed in fantastic fashion.

But the Memphis and Sacto picks suffered a fluke spike in wins and Memphis bs getting morant with no business doing so but the NBA has a terrible system...

 

[elmcityboy]

Ainge doesn't have a plan but he's been lucky. Now, not so much luck and they stink.

i mean, the celtics had one of the worst breaks in recent nba history when hayward broke his leg. i don't know that you can say that everything has been good luck...

ainge had a crazy run (nets trade, isaiah thomas mvp-type years, horford and hayward signings, brown draft, kryie trade, trading down for tatum, the kemba sign-and-trade) where it seemed like he could do no wrong. now things are breaking the other way. i still have faith, but i think he should be on thin ice if they aren't able to retool this offseason.

 

[the Q]

i mean, the celtics had one of the worst breaks in recent nba history when hayward broke his leg. i don't know that you can say that everything has been good luck...

ainge had a crazy run (nets trade, isaiah thomas mvp-type years, horford and hayward signings, brown draft, kryie trade, trading down for tatum, the kemba sign-and-trade) where it seemed like he could do no wrong. now things are breaking the other way. i still have faith, but i think he should be on thin ice if they aren't able to retool this offseason.

Not selling high on IT for picks rathe than the Irving gamble really hurt them.

The pick they traded could’ve been mikail bridges or Michael Porter jr. both of which fit what this team badly needs right now

 

[elmcityboy]

Not selling high on IT for picks rathe than the Irving gamble really hurt them.

The pick they traded could’ve been mikail bridges or Michael Porter jr. both of which fit what this team badly needs right now

you could play the could-have-been game with a lot of nba picks/trades, though.

ultimately, ainge traded a late lottery pick for a player who (many believed) turned the celtics into legitimate contenders. it's the exact kind of trade a lot of people wish he would have made with the langford and nesmith picks.

 

[mauconnfan]

Don't trade Enes Kanter for one thing. We all know he mails it in a lot but he is still an 11/11 guy this season in 26 minutes a game of semi-caring, and he shows up for the playoffs.

Theis is not close to good enough to start for a playoff team and the rest of the front court is mix-and-match role players.

Ainge should have also traded Tatum when his value was at its peak. Tatum is a good player that thinks he is one of the best in the NBA. He isn't.

Agree on Kanter he was a nice piece. Can't agree on Tatum although at times he tends to make horrid decisions down the stretch. But he and Brown are really really good.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Agree on Kanter he was a nice piece. Can't agree on Tatum although at times he tends to make horrid decisions down the stretch. But he and Brown are really really good.

Tatum would be perfect for UConn. Late in games he goes pure hero ball and starts turning the ball over. Great talent, but he needs some maturity. Easy to forget how young these guys are.

 

[Waquoit]

ainge had a crazy run (nets trade, isaiah thomas mvp-type years, horford and hayward signings, brown draft, kryie trade, trading down for tatum, the kemba sign-and-trade) where it seemed like he could do no wrong. now things are breaking the other way. i still have faith, but i think he should be on thin ice if they aren't able to retool this offseason.

He accumulated all these assets and never put together a team.

 

[Lefty2one]

The truth is the Celtics aren't fixable this season. We all love Kemba but he's been a major disappointment in Boston. They have the least amount of talent they've had in years. Their depth stinks. Ainge got too cute the last few seasons. When you lose Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, Rozier, Kanter and replace them with an injured and aging Kemba you're going to struggle. Ainge missed his chance to get a true superstar because he's cheap and the NBA equivalent of that one annoying fantasy football owner in everyone's league who overvalues the hell out of his own assets.

That being said, I'm surprised they're this bad.

 

[Waquoit]

Ainge missed his chance to get a true superstar because he's cheap and the NBA equivalent of that one annoying fantasy football owner in everyone's league who overvalues the hell out of his own assets.

I don't think it's cheapness, he's been afraid to pull the trigger in the big spot. He was getting off too much on being "Trader Danny" and afraid of "losing the trade", whatever that means. That's how he ended up with Kemba, he had no other options. He let talk radio get him off Jimmy Butler, a pro like Pat Riley didn't have a problem with the guy.

 

[nycscooby]

1. I don’t love Brad Stevens’ allotment of minutes and substitution patterns. He doesn’t tend to ride the hot hand and stays pretty consistent with the minutes. I don’t think he has Tatum, Brown and Kemba on the floor together enough.

2. Kemba shows flashes but he is a shadow of himself right now, shooting horribly and not 100%, not even close I fear. It is heartbreaking.

3. These recent games show how valuable Marcus Smart is.

4. The offense is really stagnant much of the time and the number of 3s that Grant Williams and Theis take especially early frustrating.

5. Robert Williams is frustrating but I think he needs to play more, super athletic and really our only post defender against true big men. i like Theis and he can be effective at times but not for a whole game and Grant Williams is an excellent defender but too small. I have been disappointed in Thompson’s D and defensive rebounding.

6. Teague is cuttable. I like Pritchard though.

Brad seems to be struggling with the substitution patterns and minute allocations with this team, too many similar players. But who knows how much better this group would be if Kemba were Kemba?

 

[elmcityboy]

He accumulated all these assets and never put together a team.

when was the last time you looked at the 2018-19 roster? it was kyrie, smart, tatum, morris, and horford with brown, hayward, rozier, baynes, and theis coming off the bench.

that wasn't a team?