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mauconnfan said:
Maybe not for you but that's your call. He was far from "terrible" or "blows" and certainly not the worst on the team so that stat you bought up is ridiculous. Actually that stat may be about as worthless as the reply this guy made.

He's limited, he was limited with injury too. His game isn't going to blow you away but he does things many who are clueless would never see. But have at it, I like the guy and he's a piece.
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Worthless why? Because it disagrees with your uninformed opinion? Or because you don't understand what it means? I like the guy, too, and I hope he has a good year, but he was putrid last season.

mauconnfan said:
Defensively, minus the blocked shot which obviously makes a difference, he was better than AB and Facey. But as far as positioning and being where you're supposed to be he was light years ahead of those guys, they were clueless.
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Phil's defense got worse last year, and by the numbers (which you don't trust), he was the worst defender on the team outside of Lubin, Guest, and Amilo.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Worthless why? Because it disagrees with your uninformed opinion? Or because you don't understand what it means? I like the guy, too, and I hope he has a good year, but he was putrid last season.



Phil's defense got worse last year, and by the numbers (which you don't trust), he was the worst defender on the team outside of Lubin, Guest, and Amilo.
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Ok sure! I'm uninformed? You have to look at silly stats to be informed I watch the game and get a feel for what's happening. And to think he was worst than Facey or Brimah, minus the blocked shot informs me as to why you need to look at stats. Granted the blocked shot is an important piece for the defense but when Brimah had to play straight up man, same for Facey, and then help they were nowhere to found. As an overall defender he's smarter and in better position and that's a no brainer. Does the end result mean he's more important than Brimah, that would be ridiculous for me to think that. But he's certainly was better than Facey. And to use words like "blows", "putrid" just shows where your expectations would be. You want him to be a superstar you're not getting it but if you accept the limitations and then see the good things, he's fine. But fans like you, well that's screwed up!

Let's hear from your informed opinion how they come up with these numbers for your stats? I'm sure Poindexter is back there working up all the significant pieces of playing defense LOL
 
mauconnfan said:
Ok sure! I'm uninformed? You have to look at silly stats to be informed I watch the game and get a feel for what's happening. And to think he was worst than Facey or Brimah, minus the blocked shot informs me as to why you need to look at stats. Granted the blocked shot is an important piece for the defense but when Brimah had to play straight up man, same for Facey, and then help they were nowhere to found. As an overall defender he's smarter and in better position and that's a no brainer. Does the end result mean he's more important than Brimah, that would be ridiculous for me to think that. But he's certainly was better than Facey. And to use words like "blows", "putrid" just shows where your expectations would be. You want him to be a superstar you're not getting it but if you accept the limitations and then see the good things, he's fine. But fans like you, well that's screwed up!

Let's hear from your informed opinion how they come up with these numbers for your stats? I'm sure Poindexter is back there working up all the significant pieces of playing defense LOL
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You'll find the explanation for DRtg here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html
PER here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

These are obviously just tools, but it wasn't hard to see Nolan get beat up pretty badly last year. The facts are that he was consistently overpowered on the glass, didn't create turnovers, and didn't force many missed shots. That makes him a poor defensive player. And that, combined with my analysis from actually watching every game last season, is enough to conclude that he was was of the least-valuable players in the country. None of this makes him a bad person, nor does it negate the good play he had in the 2014 NCAA tournament, nor does it mean he can't improve this year, but if you think your drunken ramblings and baseless opinions are going to take precedence over objective facts just because you call me a nerd, well, then I guess we don't have much else to discuss.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
You'll find the explanation for DRtg here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html
PER here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

These are obviously just tools, but it wasn't hard to see Nolan get beat up pretty badly last year. The facts are that he was consistently overpowered on the glass, didn't create turnovers, and didn't force many missed shots. That makes him a poor defensive player. And that, combined with my analysis from actually watching every game last season, is enough to conclude that he was was of the least-valuable players in the country. None of this makes him a bad person, nor does it negate the good play he had in the 2014 NCAA tournament, nor does it mean he can't improve this year, but if you think your drunken ramblings and baseless opinions are going to take precedence over objective facts just because you call me a nerd, well, then I guess we don't have much else to discuss.
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You're just way too smart for most of us around here Bruce. Constantly thinking everyone is drunk and not as smart as you basically a condescending piece of crap!

And as sober as I am now I do not have time for you with my "baseless" opinions. Keep looking up those stats because you do need them. While you're at it check out what a personality is because you're lacking in that department. Guessing most around you would agree too, easy to see! Enjoy yourself, someone has to bruce.
 
My first ever "Ignore" takes a lot I guess after how many years? Holy crap.:eek:
Please do the same Bruce it's well worth it.
 
This is great in that I'm not sure you could find two more perfect archetypes for what is a textbook message-board argument. Facts vs. emotions! Stats vs. the eyeball test! Don't you watch the games? I watch every game!
Did you two have to audition for these roles that you each fill so perfectly?
 
Inyatkin said:
This is great in that I'm not sure you could find two more perfect archetypes for what is a textbook message-board argument. Facts vs. emotions! Stats vs. the eyeball test! Don't you watch the games? I watch every game!
Did you two have to audition for these roles that you each fill so perfectly?
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Yes but I am sure glad you didn't audition.
 
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I am responding fleud. Critiquing is one thing no problem. Saying one of our players is putrid just sounds too harsh. 'n boneyard is great and that even includes you.
 
Inyatkin said:
This is great in that I'm not sure you could find two more perfect archetypes for what is a textbook message-board argument. Facts vs. emotions! Stats vs. the eyeball test! Don't you watch the games? I watch every game!
Did you two have to audition for these roles that you each fill so perfectly?
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The problem is that stats don't cover every aspect of the game. There are nuances that are missed. Stats are a good starting points but they miss a lot of the play by play observations.

I would take Kentan any day for rebounding particularly for getting rebounds on the offensive end. And the stats would confirm my impression particularly early in the season. But the stats do not describe his defensive inabilities where he all too often lost his player who would get easy buckets. Nor would the stats demonstrate how he was unable to determine what the team was doing on offense resulting in the half court offense stagnating.

Phil had limitations but those limitation were more exposed because of the weaknesses of the remainder of the team. When DD played the four for instance those limitations were less exposed. I'm aware of Nolan's inability to finish around the basket and that is a glaringly obvious failure that even the unsophisticated observer will be able to see.

I'm hoping the plantar fasciitis, which severely limits the push one can generate to jump because of the incredible pain that happens with the attempt is past and PN completes more baskets at the rim and gets some rebounds. Then he will challenge for minutes because the rest of his game is fundamentally sound.
 
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sledog said:
In anticipation of Sr yr, did he eat nails and pump iron this summer like Hilty did??
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Yep as well as walking on hot coals and glass to improve his Plantar Facsiitis. He's going to be much better than putrid this year, he's only going to blow with his hard work! He's easily going to improve to 10th from the bottom of the stat sheets as far as defending the points.:rolleyes:
 
"I gained a lot of weight last year. It wasn’t all good weight. I lost a lot of weight, but then I started gaining it back and made sure it was good weight this time.

“It makes it tougher to move around, move your feet, not as explosive. When I went back home to Milwaukee, working with my trainer, it was a lot of agility stuff on the court and working on my explosiveness.”

(what he worked on this summer and needs to do better this season)

“I know I’m way better at finishing around the basket. I want to improve on that, just make sure I’m in the best shape possible so I’m able to run the floor and be explosive, rebound ... just all the little things that will help the team out.”

http://borgesblognhr.blogspot.com/2015/09/phil-nolan-theyre-gonna-have-to-put-arc.html
 
Stairmaster said:
This a million times over. Anyone who dons the Husky Blue and White and goes into battle for our program deserves a little bit more respect than that.
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I have to second this. Saying something like that is absurd and incredibly tone-deaf considering where you are on the internet.

And for all the all the talk about Nolan's play against MSU in 2014, I actually think he had a greater contribution against Florida. He played a huge part in three straight stops during closing time when UConn really pulled away.
 
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Stairmaster said:
This a million times over. Anyone who dons the Husky Blue and White and goes into battle for our program deserves a little bit more respect than that.
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I wonder how many people who say things like "X player is garbage" actually went to UConn
 
CallMeBruce said:
You'll find the explanation for DRtg here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html
PER here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

The facts are that he was consistently overpowered on the glass, didn't create turnovers, and didn't force many missed shots. That makes him a poor defensive player.
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But Phil is great at positional defense and knowing his defensive rotations which you leave out of the equation all together. Those charges he draws are a result of his excellent positional play, not some kind of gimmick. Phil has obvious limitations but he does have his strengths as well, which you seem willfully blind to.
 
I think it's more disrespectful to lie about how good you believe a player is, on aa public form
 
Huskyforlife said:
I think it's more disrespectful to lie about how good you believe a player is, on aa public form
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Are you making fun of me for my Ajou Ajou Deng analysis from way back in the 2000's? :eek:
 
HooperScooper said:
"I gained a lot of weight last year. It wasn’t all good weight. I lost a lot of weight, but then I started gaining it back and made sure it was good weight this time.

“It makes it tougher to move around, move your feet, not as explosive. When I went back home to Milwaukee, working with my trainer, it was a lot of agility stuff on the court and working on my explosiveness.”
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This is great news. Much like Olander in his Junior and Senior years, Phil looked bigger, stiffer, and slower last year. And like Olander he went from being a serviceable big to bringing very little to the table.

Great to see he recognized that agility is more important to his game than weight. The 2014 version of Phil would be a very valuable asset to this team.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
Of players who saw at least 500 minutes last season, Nolan was fourth from the bottom in the country in PER and dead last in points produced. It's not a stretch to say he was terrible.
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Some people just don't understand the value of a drawn charge.
 
One thing I really hate about people ripping on Phil is that he never gives less than 100%. He never dogs it out there, gets lazy, or hangs his head and gives up because he's not getting to be the star player. He's shown a strong commitment to our program and has made a lot of out-of-the-boxscore contributions. I can't deny that he's produced less than I'd have hoped for and to say he's been a stud for us would be nonsensical. However, a guy who has shown his level of dedication and untempered enthusiasm for the game shouldn't be spoken of in such derogatory terms.
 
I think this thread started out with great intentions, and a hopefulness that Phil - a 4 year guy who committed to our program and stayed when we were facing sanctions, has worked his tail off for the team, contributed very important minutes and plays during our NC run, and has visibly struggled for most of last year - will be able to come out on top his senior year and display his potential. I don't think anyone was trying to say that he was some kind of great player or going to be our next All American, but it's a reminder that even though he received a ton of crap for his play at times last year, he is still a husky that all of us should be proud to have on the team.

If you don't think he'll be a good player this season - that's your prerogative. But don't crap on the guy who's given his all and still is going to for the next year. I think everyone here is hopeful he's going to turn around his misfortune from last year and go out on top. Anyone watching the games at the end of the year noticed a difference and saw a lot more of Phil's potential.
 
HuskyCLT said:
I think this thread started out with great intentions, and a hopefulness that Phil - a 4 year guy who committed to our program and stayed when we were facing sanctions, has worked his tail off for the team, contributed very important minutes and plays during our NC run, and has visibly struggled for most of last year - will be able to come out on top his senior year and display his potential. I don't think anyone was trying to say that he was some kind of great player or going to be our next All American, but it's a reminder that even though he received a ton of crap for his play at times last year, he is still a husky that all of us should be proud to have on the team.

If you don't think he'll be a good player this season - that's your prerogative. But don't crap on the guy who's given his all and still is going to for the next year. I think everyone here is hopeful he's going to turn around his misfortune from last year and go out on top. Anyone watching the games at the end of the year noticed a difference and saw a lot more of Phil's potential.
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He was really knocking down those mid-range baseline jumpers toward the end of last season. If he keeps that up, that'll be a valuable tool for us on offense if someone drives into traffic in the lane and needs a bail out.
 
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