Phil Jackson: Duke players rarely live up to expectations of NBA

[champs99and04]

one exception just doesn't change history, especially when that one exception had a rather fortuitous road with a combination of match-ups and injuries

the fact that they are the only exception actually proves my point

2014 Spurs? I'm fairly certain that every champion in recent NBA memory has ranked atop the league in threes.

 

[David 76]

Why is it odd that they are producing better pros now that they are getting better players? Isn't that what you would expect ?

I don't think he is getting better players. He used to get a ton of McD's all Americans that stayed four years. He now has to accept burger boys that are one and done.

The loss for everyone who is not Duke, UK and KU (sill UNC?) is that the top recruiting schools eat up 2 -4 times the AA recruits they used to get because of the quick turn-over. We, and everyone else, are less likely to get the occasional burger boy these days with Drummond being an exception as a local fan.

Fortunately, this has not stopped us.

 

[CAHUSKY]

I don't think he is getting better players. He used to get a ton of McD's all Americans that stayed four years. He now has to accept burger boys that are one and done.
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Right, which are the BEST players.

 

[David 76]

I do think we are looking back at the old Duke when they got top recruits (like they still do) but we had more pros than they did. Not so true at this time. Give us a few years and maybe we reestablish ourselves.

 

[Walker11]

2014 Spurs? I'm fairly certain that every champion in recent NBA memory has ranked atop the league in threes.

I heard a stat this week that the Spurs were the median team for 3's attempted this season, which was good enough for something like 55th all time.

 

[willie99]

I'm thinking we must have a difference of a opinion on how to define "relying on the 3"

kicking out to open the paint is not relying on the 3

The Spurs? The Heat? The Lakers, C's Pistons, Bulls............................nooooooo

c'mon man, nobody should be advising me about observing the game either

2015 GS is the only team that lived and died by the 3, the only team who's two best players are 3 point shooters
the only team to do such and win a championship

 

[willie99]

PS: take it up with Phil Jackson

 

[Walker11]

2015 GS is the only team that lived and died by the 3, the only team who's two best players are 3 point shooters
the only team to do such and win a championship

2015 GS attempted fewer 3's than the two teams they beat in the Western Conference Finals and the NBA Finals this year.

 

[willie99]

OK, let's do this

16 teams make the playoffs, the following is where the NBA champs ranked in the post season in 3 point attempts

2015: GS (1) 32.7 PG
2014: SA (10) 21.6
2013: Mia (9) 20.2
2012: Mia (4) 19.7
2011: Dal (3) 22.2
2010: LA (10) 19.0
2009: LA (9) 18.4
2008: Bos (10) 16.8
2007: SA (7) 19.7
2006: Mia (6) 19.1
2005: SA (8) 18.3

so not only is GS the 1st team to win the championship relying on the 3, they attempted > 10 more 3's per game than the next closest champion (you can't spin this, just stop)

people are telling me I need to observe
people are mocking me about an argument I made which is 100% accurate

10 more 3 point attempts per game than the next closest champion

so sorry

maybe just maybe Phil know's what he's talking about, A?

 

[willie99]

looks like somebody never watched a game before 2015

(couldn't resist)

 

[CallMeBruce]

OK, let's do this

16 teams make the playoffs, the following is where the NBA champs ranked in the post season in 3 point attempts

2015: GS (1) 32.7 PG
2014: SA (10) 21.6
2013: Mia (9) 20.2
2012: Mia (4) 19.7
2011: Dal (3) 22.2
2010: LA (10) 19.0
2009: LA (9) 18.4
2008: Bos (10) 16.8
2007: SA (7) 19.7
2006: Mia (6) 19.1
2005: SA (8) 18.3

so not only is GS the 1st team to win the championship relying on the 3, they attempted > 10 more 3's per game than the next closest champion (you can't spin this, just stop)

people are telling me I need to observe
people are mocking me about an argument I made which is 100% accurate

10 more 3 point attempts per game than the next closest champion

so sorry

maybe just maybe Phil know's what he's talking about, A?

This is some pretty wild logic. Golden State took a lot of three-pointers, ergo Duke players are disappointments.

 

[willie99]

This is some pretty wild logic. Golden State took a lot of three-pointers, ergo Duke players are disappointments.

you're wrong again, the moon is made of swiss cheese, not provolone

 

[Walker11]

10 years ago, 5 NBA teams attempted over 20 three pointers a game. Last year, 20 teams took over 20 three pointers a game. Teams are shooting on average, 8 more threes per game. I don't see how you can rationalize these facts with your first statement. Or the fact that Cleveland and Houston took more threes than the Warriors.

It is o.k. to be wrong now and then.

 

[willie99]

This is some pretty wild logic. Golden State took a lot of three-pointers, ergo Duke players are disappointments.

10 years ago, 5 NBA teams attempted over 20 three pointers a game. Last year, 20 teams took over 20 three pointers a game. Teams are shooting on average, 8 more threes per game. I don't see how you can rationalize these with your first statement. Or the fact that Cleveland and Justin took more threes than the Warriors.

GS shot many more 3's when it mattered, the 2nd season

anyhow, I cited the stats that I think tell the story

 

[Walker11]

GS shot many more 3's when it mattered, the 2nd season

anyhow, I cited the stats that I think tell the story

What is your your argument anyways? I am having fun over here finding stats that I think will prove you wrong but you are too stubborn, or we are arguing different things.

Do you find it interesting that 5 of the last 8 teams in the playoffs this season accounted for 5 of the top 10 seasons ever for 3 pointers attempted?

 

[Rocktheworld]

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/07/history-of-the-three-point-shot/

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/10/16/nba-3-point-shot.ap/

 

[Kitaman]

All I know is Miami a few years ago lived and didn't die on a 3 point shot. Don't need stats to tell me how important a 3 point shooter named Ray meant to that Championship Team.

 

[Gringo]

GS shot many more 3's when it mattered, the 2nd season

anyhow, I cited the stats that I think tell the story

Let me see if I understand this.

You originally claim that "playing for 3's is not NBA basketball"

You are told you are wrong. You then post a stat that completely contradicts your original argument and claim that somehow shows you are correct.

What else am I missing?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

PS: take it up with Phil Jackson

You mean the guy who's being roundly mocked with every public utterance as woefully out of touch with today's game? Who should we take it up with next, Byron Scott?

 

[champs99and04]

Three point shots are typically just a materialization of successful offensive design and execution. If guys like Thompson and Curry couldn't do other things, they wouldn't be able to get up as many as they do.

It's just that, those other things are also contingent on having guys who can shoot. Three point shooting is largely an inextricable function of every efficient offense. Hell, Memphis has two of the best big men in the league and it's all they can do to forge a passable offense (and one that was obliterated by Golden State in the latter half of their series).

So yeah...if you trot five spot up shooters out there, you're never going to win. But that's never really been the point. It can be true that there is more than one vital skill that serves as a prerequisite for success, and in today's game, three point shooting is about as close to one as anything else.

 

[intlzncster]

I'm thinking we must have a difference of a opinion on how to define "relying on the 3"

kicking out to open the paint is not relying on the 3

The Spurs? The Heat? The Lakers, C's Pistons, Bulls........nooooooo

c'mon man, nobody should be advising me about observing the game either

2015 GS is the only team that lived and died by the 3, the only team who's two best players are 3 point shooters
the only team to do such and win a championship

Not the Champs, but have a look at the rockets shot charts. Their philosophy is in the paint, or from the three, and nothing in between.

 

[intlzncster]

You mean the guy who's being roundly mocked with every public utterance as woefully out of touch with today's game? Who should we take it up with next, Byron Scott?

Not disagreeing with you in the slightest, but if you gave Phil the equivalent of his best teams players, I'd imagine he'd win again. He's had some ridiculous talent.