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And if the plan is to win a NC with 6+ seeds, we might not see another NC in our lifetimes.
It's not the plan. The plan is to get in a real conference and win championships as one, two and three seeds, which we did in the Big East. You have to look real hard to take the fact that we won one as a seven seed as a mark against us.
 
Not sure if they are comparable, but Tyler Ulis was a McDonald's All-American at 5'9" and playing for Kentucky right now.
Ulis's stats were inflated in high school. Very Boatright-esque. Although I'm not saying he'll be a bad player, he'll most likely be good. Plus Ulis's numbers are inflated at Kentucky. He plays with the best team in the country and merely is a role player.
Are you nuts? He's one of the best 2017 point guards in the country and is almost certainly a 4-year player because of his size.

Not to mention, we just won a national championship with a 5'11'' shooting guard.
Not too many players like Shabazz come around. Maybe once in a decade. I think Waters would be excellent here, but I think other PG's can be better.
 
39 weeks? A calendar year is 52.

Something is definitely wrong with those numbers. First poll is Nov. 17, and last poll is around March 12-15.

Last year's poll went for 19 weeks total.
 
Ulis's stats were inflated in high school. Very Boatright-esque. Although I'm not saying he'll be a bad player, he'll most likely be good. Plus Ulis's numbers are inflated at Kentucky. He plays with the best team in the country and merely is a role player.

Not too many players like Shabazz come around. Maybe once in a decade. I think Waters would be excellent here, but I think other PG's can be better.

You wouldn't want Tyler Ullis on our team right now? He'd be playing 30 minutes per game for us...and just about every other team in the country.
 
You wouldn't want Tyler Ullis on our team right now? He'd be playing 30 minutes per game for us...and just about every other team in the country.

Again, as CT is saying, the results like that of Ullis are the exception 95% of the time, not the norm.
 
Are people really "NEXT" this kid? Sheesh. Kid will probably end up being a very solid 4-star PG by the time he is a senior. Calm down with your Kentucky complexes.
 
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Are people really "NEXT" this kid? Sheesh. Kid will probably end up being a very solid 4-star PG by the time he is a senior. Calm down with your Kentucky complexes.

There is no "Kentucky complex" here. Its simply the idea of a 5' 9" point guard playing high-major D1 basketball is an anomaly (there is really no way this can be refuted). I along with some others here simply feel that maybe we shouldnt put too many eggs on a guy who clearly has physical limitations in the game of basketball that will put a ceiling on his development. No matter how you cut it, this kid could have the talent of MJ coursing through his veins, and he would still be a good college player, but being 5' 9" is always gonna hurt you and your potential. I agree the size will make him more attractive since he wont likely be going to the NBA, but still, if there are similarly talented guys with more standard height for the position interested in us we should put time in there as well. Look at the current trend of All-Star level PGs in the NBA, besides for maybe CP3, the trend is overwhelming going towards taller, more athletic players like Westbrook, Rose, Irving, MCW, Exum, etc. Guys like Isaiah Thomas on the Suns only come around at that level once a generation. Hell, even small PGs like Curry are still 6ft+ even on their shortest days, 3 inches is huge in basketball.

Think of it like this, would you want a highly skilled 6' 6" guy playing your 5 spot and being your primary paint defender? The kid could have post moves like Kevin McHale for all I care, but if hes small hes limited on both ends automatically. Thats the point being made here, not some "Kentucky complex" you just throw in there to try and demean the person you are responding to as if it would somehow reflect poorly on our level of judgement on the issue.
 
There is no "Kentucky complex" here. Its simply the idea of a 5' 9" point guard playing high-major D1 basketball is an anomaly (there is really no way this can be refuted). I along with some others here simply feel that maybe we shouldnt put too many eggs on a guy who clearly has physical limitations in the game of basketball that will put a ceiling on his development. No matter how you cut it, this kid could have the talent of MJ coursing through his veins, and he would still be a good college player, but being 5' 9" is always gonna hurt you and your potential. I agree the size will make him more attractive since he wont likely be going to the NBA, but still, if there are similarly talented guys with more standard height for the position interested in us we should put time in there as well. Look at the current trend of All-Star level PGs in the NBA, besides for maybe CP3, the trend is overwhelming going towards taller, more athletic players like Westbrook, Rose, Irving, MCW, Exum, etc. Guys like Isaiah Thomas on the Suns only come around at that level once a generation. Hell, even small PGs like Curry are still 6ft+ even on their shortest days, 3 inches is huge in basketball.

Think of it like this, would you want a highly skilled 6' 6" guy playing your 5 spot and being your primary paint defender? The kid could have post moves like Kevin McHale for all I care, but if hes small hes limited on both ends automatically. Thats the point being made here, not some "Kentucky complex" you just throw in there to try and demean the person you are responding to as if it would somehow reflect poorly on our level of judgement on the issue.

I was responding to the point "other PGs would be better" when I made the Kentucky remark. No that's true, but people act like it's a 100% necessity to have the #1 player at every single position to compete. Waters is probably top 5 among 2017 PGs, I believe ESPN has him at #2. FWIW this is shaping up to be a weak PG class, with only one (Troy Brown Jr.) currently in ESPN's Top 25. How much further down on the ladder of talent are you willing to go to get a PG who's "tall enough"?

We're also not searching for NBA all-stars. We're searching for players that will make our collegiate team as successful as possible. We have one, maybe two future NBA all-stars on our current roster, so is everyone else a waste?

I think that it's also a fair assumption that he hasn't stopped growing yet. 2-3 inches between the first semester of one's HS sophomore year and when they set foot on a college campus is by no means unheard of. That being said I have no way to back this up.
 
Based on what is out there on him, he's a no brainer for us. Even if he proved to be something less than a starting pg, he brings skills that we need. We play a lot do three guard lineups, there is always room for a very talented water bug in our scheme.
 
We won 3 national championships with sub 6 foot point guards starting for our team.
 
There is no "Kentucky complex" here. Its simply the idea of a 5' 9" point guard playing high-major D1 basketball is an anomaly (there is really no way this can be refuted). I along with some others here simply feel that maybe we shouldnt put too many eggs on a guy who clearly has physical limitations in the game of basketball that will put a ceiling on his development. No matter how you cut it, this kid could have the talent of MJ coursing through his veins, and he would still be a good college player, but being 5' 9" is always gonna hurt you and your potential. I agree the size will make him more attractive since he wont likely be going to the NBA, but still, if there are similarly talented guys with more standard height for the position interested in us we should put time in there as well. Look at the current trend of All-Star level PGs in the NBA, besides for maybe CP3, the trend is overwhelming going towards taller, more athletic players like Westbrook, Rose, Irving, MCW, Exum, etc. Guys like Isaiah Thomas on the Suns only come around at that level once a generation. Hell, even small PGs like Curry are still 6ft+ even on their shortest days, 3 inches is huge in basketball.

Think of it like this, would you want a highly skilled 6' 6" guy playing your 5 spot and being your primary paint defender? The kid could have post moves like Kevin McHale for all I care, but if hes small hes limited on both ends automatically. Thats the point being made here, not some "Kentucky complex" you just throw in there to try and demean the person you are responding to as if it would somehow reflect poorly on our level of judgement on the issue.

He's a 2017 kid? He's a sophomore, which means he just turned 15? He probably has one more year of growing. Sometimes more.

Kid could easily be 5'11" by the time he gets to university.
 
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There is no "Kentucky complex" here. Its simply the idea of a 5' 9" point guard playing high-major D1 basketball is an anomaly (there is really no way this can be refuted). I along with some others here simply feel that maybe we shouldnt put too many eggs on a guy who clearly has physical limitations in the game of basketball that will put a ceiling on his development. No matter how you cut it, this kid could have the talent of MJ coursing through his veins, and he would still be a good college player, but being 5' 9" is always gonna hurt you and your potential. I agree the size will make him more attractive since he wont likely be going to the NBA, but still, if there are similarly talented guys with more standard height for the position interested in us we should put time in there as well. Look at the current trend of All-Star level PGs in the NBA, besides for maybe CP3, the trend is overwhelming going towards taller, more athletic players like Westbrook, Rose, Irving, MCW, Exum, etc. Guys like Isaiah Thomas on the Suns only come around at that level once a generation. Hell, even small PGs like Curry are still 6ft+ even on their shortest days, 3 inches is huge in basketball.

Think of it like this, would you want a highly skilled 6' 6" guy playing your 5 spot and being your primary paint defender? The kid could have post moves like Kevin McHale for all I care, but if hes small hes limited on both ends automatically. Thats the point being made here, not some "Kentucky complex" you just throw in there to try and demean the person you are responding to as if it would somehow reflect poorly on our level of judgement on the issue.

Your judgment is poor without the Kentucky complex. The kid is going to be a coveted recruit at the highest levels. There are also plenty of 5-10 point guards playing D1 basketball, if I didn't have a job that required my attention I'd list a handful for you.

The fact that you're saying we back off this kid - who's what, 15 years old - because of his "physical limitations" is about as clear an example of a hysterical Boneyard overreaction as you're going to find.

Two more things: your 6-6 center example is a terrible analogy for what I thought should be the face-slappingly obvious reason that height is a lot more important for post players than it is for point guards. As to your comment on "All-Star level" point guards being big, I got a kick out of the part where you said (I'm paraphrasing) "Except for the best point guard my list . . . "
 
tremont waters is really really good. @BUHusky10 go watch some of his highlights as freshman playing on south kent. he goes at and outplays plenty of high d1 prospects that are upperclassmen... in the best prep basketball league in the world. Not only is he extraordinary on the court, his academics are through the roof - pretty sure he was winning crazy awards like high honors (1 of 5) in his class...

I consider him near must get territory as most of this board does. He will be tough to get because he will end up a top 30 player in 2017.
 
Tremont Waters is about as close to a surefire kid as a soph in high school can be. Can't believe there are any UConn fans questioning if we want him, the kid is going to be an absolute stud in college and he's from Connecticut.
 
The kid can play, I never said that. Also I never said we should abandon recruiting him, I said if he's already listing Duke as his dream school despite being a CT native, then clearly he is not a lock and can be risky player to invest too much time into, thats all I said. Also, there is a big difference on the court between 5' 9" and 6ft like Kemba and Bazz. Yikes, you guys are touchy today...
 
His game is excellent no doubt. And hopefully he grows at least to 5'9 because now he's 5'5 or 6". At that size there is no "must get" no matter what his skill set is. Even at 5'9" there are very few "must gets" I'm sorry. Love, LOVE to have him because he's player. But there's big guys who are must gets, good guards are easier to find.
 
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His game is excellent no doubt. And hopefully he grows at least to 5'9 because now he's 5'5 or 6". At that size there is no "must get" no matter what his skill set is. Even at 5'9" there are very few "must gets" I'm sorry. Love, LOVE to have him because he's player. But there's big guys who are must gets, good guards are easier to find.

First Stanley Johnson is the same size as Kevin Pangos (hilarious and bizarre and obviously not true by the way) and now Waters is 5-5. I have to say, you might be the single worst estimator of guys' heights I've ever seen.
 
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Tremont Waters is about as close to a surefire kid as a soph in high school can be. Can't believe there are any UConn fans questioning if we want him, the kid is going to be an absolute stud in college and he's from Connecticut.

The negativity is based on him mentioning Duke. Recruiting is a long game and some of these guys are already preparing their "we didn't want him anyway" spiel.
 
First Stanley Johnson is the same size as Kevin Pangos (hilarious and bizarre and obviously not true by the way) and now Waters is 5-5. I have to say, you might be the single worst estimator of guys' heights I've ever seen.

Or is it you Crack? Watch the games, tell me about Stanley Johnson then! How big is Hollis-Jefferson? He was listed as 6'7" Johnson stood next to him and was smaller. Why would I make it up?

And how big is Waters, you have a better idea? He's not 5'9 yet that's for sure.
 
Or is it you Crack? Watch the games, tell me about Stanley Johnson then! How big is Hollis-Jefferson? He was listed as 6'7" Johnson stood next to him and was smaller. Why would I make it up?
FWIW

Stanley Johnson was measured at the Lebron James & Kevin Durant Skills Academy in the summer of 2013. He measured in at 6'7.5" at both, and he is currently listed as 6'7" on Arizona's website.

Kevin Pangos was at the 2013 PG Skills Academy and measured in at 6'1.5".
 
First Stanley Johnson is the same size as Kevin Pangos (hilarious and bizarre and obviously not true by the way) and now Waters is 5-5. I have to say, you might be the single worst estimator of guys' heights I've ever seen.

Wait a minute, he actually said they were the same size??
 
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Wait a minute, he actually said they were the same size??
Think he did, but what he really meant was that Johnson was closer to Pangos' height than Johnson's actual listed height. I guess he was trying to say that Johnson is really 6'3"?
 
Think he did, but what he really meant was that Johnson was closer to Pangos' height than Johnson's actual listed height. I guess he was trying to say that Johnson is really 6'3"?

lol, yea he's been on some height schtick for the longest, can't really take any of it seriously.
 
Or is it you Crack? Watch the games, tell me about Stanley Johnson then! How big is Hollis-Jefferson? He was listed as 6'7" Johnson stood next to him and was smaller. Why would I make it up?

And how big is Waters, you have a better idea? He's not 5'9 yet that's for sure.
Hollis-Jefferson was measured by USA basketball in 2013 as 6.5 without shoes. Stanley Johnson was measured by USA basketball in 2014 as 6.675 without shoes.

Maybe Hollis-Jefferson grew, but it's still hilarious you think eyeballing guys on the TV is an accurate way of determining height.
 
His game is excellent no doubt. And hopefully he grows at least to 5'9 because now he's 5'5 or 6". At that size there is no "must get" no matter what his skill set is. Even at 5'9" there are very few "must gets" I'm sorry. Love, LOVE to have him because he's player. But there's big guys who are must gets, good guards are easier to find.
5'5 or 5'6, you couldn't be more wrong.
 
Or is it you Crack? Watch the games, tell me about Stanley Johnson then! How big is Hollis-Jefferson? He was listed as 6'7" Johnson stood next to him and was smaller. Why would I make it up?

And how big is Waters, you have a better idea? He's not 5'9 yet that's for sure.
Seriously man wtf are you talking about?
 
Or is it you Crack? Watch the games, tell me about Stanley Johnson then! How big is Hollis-Jefferson? He was listed as 6'7" Johnson stood next to him and was smaller. Why would I make it up?

And how big is Waters, you have a better idea? He's not 5'9 yet that's for sure.

I'm not sure why you're still digging this hole. It's not like Stanley Johnson's height is a matter of opinion. You're wrong and you sound silly.
 
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