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Dynasty said:
I don't know about but I did see Mau post about Johnson being closer to 6'6" than 6'8".
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That's not what's being referred to.
 
I'm a bit taken back by this discussion. Fans of Women's BB have long been opposed to listing any player's height and weight. That stuff is personal and I applaud them for their stand.

More than that, I'm jumping on that train. No more discussion of players Height and Weight, From here on it's the PC sanctioned Length and Girth.
 
MuchoDogYears said:
I'm a bit taken back by this discussion. Fans of Women's BB have long been opposed to listing any player's height and weight. That stuff is personal and I applaud them for their stand.

More than that, I'm jumping on that train. No more discussion of players Height and Weight, From here on it's the PC sanctioned Length and Girth.
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Do yourself a favor and don't visit the Sacha Killeya-Jones thread.
 
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gruconn said:
Boneyard meltdown to a tweet in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
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I think it is interesting that it is an unofficial visit. Dook not wanting to pay?
 
HuskyBballFan said:
It's too early for 2017 kids to take official visits.
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And it's too early for Duke to offer. Waters is their 2017 Plan C.

It'll be interesting to see if he reclassifies to 2016, though.

EDIT: And it looks like Duke are about to land Frank Jackson, a 5-star, top-15 PG from 2016. They will be plenty deep enough to say "nah" to Waters, though IMO he'd be a smart recruit for them as a 9th or 10th man who'll stick around for four years.
 
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With Duke and Coach K going all in on the one and done game, I predict they offer Waters to fill the role Tyler Ullis does for UK. A small tenacious guard who is very skilled but due to physical limitations isn't a risk of leaving early for the draft. This gives incoming one and dones a veteran leader and someone consistent to run the offense.
 
BUHusky10 said:
With Duke and Coach K going all in on the one and done game, I predict they offer Waters to fill the role Tyler Ullis does for UK. A small tenacious guard who is very skilled but due to physical limitations isn't a risk of leaving early for the draft. This gives incoming one and dones a veteran leader and someone consistent to run the offense.
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Yup. That's exactly what I'd do in their case - and I'd try to get him in 2016 instead of waiting.
 
Matrim55 said:
And it's too early for Duke to offer. Waters is their 2017 Plan C.

It'll be interesting to see if he reclassifies to 2016, though.

EDIT: And it looks like Duke are about to land Frank Jackson, a 5-star, top-15 PG from 2016. They will be plenty deep enough to say "nah" to Waters, though IMO he'd be a smart recruit for them as a 9th or 10th man who'll stick around for four years.
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Is Waters really a 9th or 10th man at Duke, or are we downplaying his abilities because he doesn't want to come to UConn? I think the kids going to be a great college player. (I'm not saying he's a more prized recruit than a kid like Jackson, but wouldn't he get minutes pretty much anywhere?)
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Is Waters really a 9th or 10th man at Duke, or are we downplaying his abilities because he doesn't want to come to UConn? I think the kids going to be a great college player. (I'm not saying he's a more prized recruit than a kid like Jackson, but wouldn't he get minutes pretty much anywhere?)
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No he's not, Waters will be a major player at any school he chooses. Kid is a stud.
 
Is Roscoe Smith the only recruit we've ever beaten out Duke for? I know we've beaten Kentucky several times with the likes of Ray Allen, Rudy Gay, Stanley Robinson, Ater Majok and Andre Drummond. We've beaten out KU a handful of times too...but I can't recall any other recruiting wins over Duke.

I hope KO can add Waters to the list.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Is Waters really a 9th or 10th man at Duke, or are we downplaying his abilities because he doesn't want to come to UConn? I think the kids going to be a great college player. (I'm not saying he's a more prized recruit than a kid like Jackson, but wouldn't he get minutes pretty much anywhere?)
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It's not just us; Waters has been slowly falling in the rankings as he's gotten older, possibly because his lack of size is becoming more of an issue. I think he's going to be a good college player, but Duke is in a place these days where they can get 5-star recruits most of the time, and that's not Waters.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
It's not just us; Waters has been slowly falling in the rankings as he's gotten older, possibly because his lack of size is becoming more of an issue. I think he's going to be a good college player, but Duke is in a place these days where they can get 5-star recruits most of the time, and that's not Waters.
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Waters is ranked 36th in his class on ESPN. Four star players do go to Duke. I have no idea where he'll end up but he wouldn't be a tenth man at Duke.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Waters is ranked 36th in his class on ESPN. Four star players do go to Duke. I have no idea where he'll end up but he wouldn't be a tenth man at Duke.
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Which is a drop, not to mention that he's lower almost everywhere else. His composite is down to 44. Again, he's a good player, and I'd take him if he were on the table, but I don't think he's the type of guy who is guaranteed to be a starter regardless of where he goes.
 
CallMeBruce said:
It's not just us; Waters has been slowly falling in the rankings as he's gotten older, possibly because his lack of size is becoming more of an issue. I think he's going to be a good college player, but Duke is in a place these days where they can get 5-star recruits most of the time, and that's not Waters.
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He's done extremely well against any and all competition. Howard Garfinkle called him the best point guard in the class, he is ranked too low.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Which is a drop, not to mention that he's lower almost everywhere else. His composite is down to 44. Again, he's a good player, and I'd take him if he were on the table, but I don't think he's the type of guy who is guaranteed to be a starter regardless of where he goes.
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When was he ranked higher by ESPN? And, again, down to 44 is something we'd be beating off about if he showed serious interest in UConn. We've talked about kids outside the top 200 like they're lottery picks. I just think this kid's a stud and he's going to play wherever he goes.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
When was he ranked higher by ESPN? And, again, down to 44 is something we'd be beating off about if he showed serious interest in UConn. We've talked about kids outside the top 200 like they're lottery picks. I just think this kid's a stud and he's going to play wherever he goes.
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I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. Waters is a very good prospect, and if we could sign him tomorrow, I'd do it and be thrilled. I don't think Coach K is going to feel the same way, because he's going to be pursuing Trevon Duval and Troy Brown, both of whom are much better prospects. If he can't get either of them, he'll probably end up with Trae Young, who is also a better prospect than Waters.

If Waters tells Coach K that he wants to go to Duke and is willing to take a bench role, then he'll go there, and he'll get minutes, but it's not unreasonable to think that he never starts there. I don't think Waters wants Duke quite that badly, because there are plenty of good programs he could play for and get major minutes. One would be UConn, where he'd possibly be starting by his sophomore year (assuming Gilbert is the starter in 17-18).

As to my original comment, I was only pointing out that Waters' stock has been dropping nationally. I mis-remembered about ESPN, he wasn't on their top-25, so this is the first time they've ranked him, but he was 247's composite #24 player a few months ago, and now he's at 44. That's a significant tumble. I understand your side on this, because people on this board tend to come out of the wordwork to trash players as soon as it looks like we won't be getting them, but I'm not sure that's the issue, or at least the entire issue, in this case.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Waters is ranked 36th in his class on ESPN. Four star players do go to Duke. I have no idea where he'll end up but he wouldn't be a tenth man at Duke.
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I think he would be for his first two years, for sure. Look at the recruits they're getting and the guys they're returning.

And obviously this is not meant to denigrate the kid. I hope like hell we land him and he's the next in our long line of great point guards.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. Waters is a very good prospect, and if we could sign him tomorrow, I'd do it and be thrilled. I don't think Coach K is going to feel the same way, because he's going to be pursuing Trevon Duval and Troy Brown, both of whom are much better prospects. If he can't get either of them, he'll probably end up with Trae Young, who is also a better prospect than Waters.

If Waters tells Coach K that he wants to go to Duke and is willing to take a bench role, then he'll go there, and he'll get minutes, but it's not unreasonable to think that he never starts there. I don't think Waters wants Duke quite that badly, because there are plenty of good programs he could play for and get major minutes. One would be UConn, where he'd possibly be starting by his sophomore year (assuming Gilbert is the starter in 17-18).

As to my original comment, I was only pointing out that Waters' stock has been dropping nationally. I mis-remembered about ESPN, he wasn't on their top-25, so this is the first time they've ranked him, but he was 247's composite #24 player a few months ago, and now he's at 44. That's a significant tumble. I understand your side on this, because people on this board tend to come out of the wordwork to trash players as soon as it looks like we won't be getting them, but I'm not sure that's the issue, or at least the entire issue, in this case.
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Duke is his dream school.
 
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