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nelsonmuntz said:
Cleaning house, whether in football staffs or business, should only be done rarely. It actually sends a message of weakness, not strength.

Other than Foley, I didn't feel that strongly about any assistant, but is it really worth losing ALL that institutional knowledge?

Let's hope Disco knows what he is doing.
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If this isn't one of those rare situations where cleaning house is appropriate, you are being overly generous by using the term 'rarely'.

I vividly remember when the NY Giants (finally) cleaned house post fumble. In the process a couple of quality people were lost (HC John McVay who as GM of the 49er's helped build the Walsh/Montana teams and LB coach Marty Schottenheimer). Even with those losses the cleaning house was the best move that franchise could have made.

I have no doubt that down the road we will read the names of at least a couple of the assistants we lost and begin thinking that they could have helped us here. For the big picture this is the correct move. There will be new blood, new life, new attitude. This was necessary.
 
Bootsthemonkey said:
I just tried to spell Diaco on my phone and it changed it to "Disco" so I had to laugh when I read your post. Coach Disco.
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It's the holidays and I don't have time to add Diaco to my phone or Kindle. So Coach Disco it is. He already has the hair for a heavy night of hitting the disco clubs on a Saturday night.
 
TJ will end up as a head Coach in the Future... TJ might be a head coach at a 1AA team, or maybe as an assistant coach. Good Luck, TJ.
 
What about TJ Weist as HC at Central? I haven't seen anything on the search there yet....
 
FDNY99 said:
What about TJ Weist as HC at Central? I haven't seen anything on the search there yet....
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I'd love to see that. His wife working at UConn and a new home a block from campus...hate to see him have to move and start over.
 
sportsart said:
I'd love to see that. His wife working at UConn and a new home a block from campus...hate to see him have to move and start over.
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CCSU paid the last HC about $150K. Not sure that fits the budget.
 
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Surprised that TJ bought a house. He must have been given the impression this was a long term gig.
 
You gotta wonder if losing Day as QB Coach will have any affect on the progress of Casey Cochren and/or Tim Boyle?

Some Possible Landing Spots for TJ:

-Army
-Eastern Michigan
-CCSU? (if they could pony up some extra $)?
 
SonsOfNutmeg said:
You gotta wonder if losing Day as QB Coach will have any affect on the progress of Casey Cochren and/or Tim Boyle?

Some Possible Landing Spots for TJ:

-Army
-Eastern Michigan
-CCSU? (if they could pony up some extra $)?
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Eastern Michigan hired a new coach earlier tonight.
 
All good, guy has a vision and culture in mind and wants pieces that fit that. He has to own it overall so wants "his" guys. Like most business things I've seen.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
If this isn't one of those rare situations where cleaning house is appropriate, you are being overly generous by using the term 'rarely'.

I vividly remember when the NY Giants (finally) cleaned house post fumble. In the process a couple of quality people were lost (HC John McVay who as GM of the 49er's helped build the Walsh/Montana teams and LB coach Marty Schottenheimer). Even with those losses the cleaning house was the best move that franchise could have made.

I have no doubt that down the road we will read the names of at least a couple of the assistants we lost and begin thinking that they could have helped us here. For the big picture this is the correct move. There will be new blood, new life, new attitude. This was necessary.
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I am saying what SHOULD happen, not what does happen. Cleaning house when a new coach comes in is very common, particularly with first time coaches. They generally have spent years thinking about exactly what they would do when they finally got their first HC gig, and they want to live the dream. They also often have a lot of favors to repay.

My point is that most first time coaches fail. They don't usually fail because of X's and O's, they fail because they are not ready to be program CEO. There are a lot of great coordinators that couldn't cut it as Head Coach (Ellis Johnson is the most pronounced example of this), and quite a few effective Head Coaches who are weak or worse at the X's and O's. Schiano was a joke as a game coach, but did an incredible job at Rutgers. Mack Brown is abysmal as a game coach, and is one of the most successful head coaches of the last 20 years.

One of my issues with cleaning house is that UConn wasn't failing. Weist took over in mid season, and play improved immediately. 2 of the losses were to ranked teams, and Cincinnati had been receiving votes or ranked for much of the season. We beat a Rutgers team by 11 that had beaten Arkansas earlier in the year, and destroyed a Memphis team that had played tough games against Houston, UCF and Louisville. It seemed like the team was getting better half to half by season's end. There is a lot of room for improvement, but it wasn't like the old staff was incompetent. So what does the new guy do? Clean house.

The message that a house cleaning sends is that his way is more important than the right way. That is how a lot of the players and other people around the program will interpret it, because that is how every organization interprets a house cleaning when the people still there don't think things were going that badly. "Because I said so" is not very effective for parenting or being a manager.

I don't want to make a bigger deal out of this than it is. Maybe Diaco wanted to keep 2-3 assistants, but the others didn't want to stay. We will probably never know. I am only saying that cleaning house is usually a bad idea unless an organization was completely failing or there were ethical problems. We don't have much to go on so far, but I would consider this a first time HC mistake. If he holds the recruiting class together and adds 3-4 3* surprises, then we will have some more to go off that is a little more positive.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I am saying what SHOULD happen, not what does happen. Cleaning house when a new coach comes in is very common, particularly with first time coaches. They generally have spent years thinking about exactly what they would do when they finally got their first HC gig, and they want to live the dream. They also often have a lot of favors to repay.

My point is that most first time coaches fail. They don't usually fail because of X's and O's, they fail because they are not ready to be program CEO. There are a lot of great coordinators that couldn't cut it as Head Coach (Ellis Johnson is the most pronounced example of this), and quite a few effective Head Coaches who are weak or worse at the X's and O's. Schiano was a joke as a game coach, but did an incredible job at Rutgers. Mack Brown is abysmal as a game coach, and is one of the most successful head coaches of the last 20 years.

One of my issues with cleaning house is that UConn wasn't failing. Weist took over in mid season, and play improved immediately. 2 of the losses were to ranked teams, and Cincinnati had been receiving votes or ranked for much of the season. We beat a Rutgers team by 11 that had beaten Arkansas earlier in the year, and destroyed a Memphis team that had played tough games against Houston, UCF and Louisville. It seemed like the team was getting better half to half by season's end. There is a lot of room for improvement, but it wasn't like the old staff was incompetent. So what does the new guy do? Clean house.

The message that a house cleaning sends is that his way is more important than the right way. That is how a lot of the players and other people around the program will interpret it, because that is how every organization interprets a house cleaning when the people still there don't think things were going that badly. "Because I said so" is not very effective for parenting or being a manager.

I don't want to make a bigger deal out of this than it is. Maybe Diaco wanted to keep 2-3 assistants, but the others didn't want to stay. We will probably never know. I am only saying that cleaning house is usually a bad idea unless an organization was completely failing or there were ethical problems. We don't have much to go on so far, but I would consider this a first time HC mistake. If he holds the recruiting class together and adds 3-4 3* surprises, then we will have some more to go off that is a little more positive.
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Several good points, Nelson.
1)we don't have much to go on so far, probably never know the real inside story as assistants move on.
2)first time coaches can fail, true but only time will tell.
But, As a first time coach, BD does strikes me as a meticulous person and doesn't want to make a mistake. He is NOW in the line of fire
and wants to be in the trenches with HIS people...people he trusts and has personal knowledge of....thus makes sense for him to go this way.
Retain who will fit AND WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE HERE>His butt is on the line and he knows it!!!!
3)We don't know who was going to stay, i.e people having a desire to move on...what were there own career path decisions?
People are concerned about TJ in several threads..... don't be concerned. TJ strikes me as the person
who wants his own thing. If I were him, I would want my own GIG now. Staying or not had nothing to do with being an assistant.....I would take that
to the bank based on what we has been said on this BY. ....no bitter grapes etc. Personal thought...he wanted the HC position, didn't get it and now waits to get his own show.
I would strategically WAIT, bide my time and get into the right situation for a first
time head coach such as Patriot League (Moorehead) making $500 K a year, within a year. TJ's contacts run deep....he might not have wanted to come on board.
LAST....Most important.......We wish them well.
 
Waylon, I love the way you spend four paragraphs making a much larger deal of this than it really is only to begin your final paragraph by stating: "I don't want to make a bigger deal out of this than it is". Your attention seeking and need to attempt to prove to the outside world that you are of some substance is borderline pathological.

I am curious as to what you would view as a failure if you truly believe that we weren't failing. Perhaps my standards and expectations are a bit higher than yours but even factoring in the turmoil from taking over the dumpster fire that PGDL created and were dismissed from, adding to the equation that the staff was short a couple of bodies, we still can only view (if we are to be intellectually honest) the last half of the season (giving a bye on a couple of games for the transition) as mediocre at best. Yes, quite a bit of character was displayed in not giving up at halftime against Temple but if we were to take what happened as not failing, the idea that a program with that set of standards would be anything but a joke if they attempted football independence (which you have stumped for quite often) is assinine.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I am saying what SHOULD happen, not what does happen. Cleaning house when a new coach comes in is very common, particularly with first time coaches. They generally have spent years thinking about exactly what they would do when they finally got their first HC gig, and they want to live the dream. They also often have a lot of favors to repay.

My point is that most first time coaches fail. They don't usually fail because of X's and O's, they fail because they are not ready to be program CEO. There are a lot of great coordinators that couldn't cut it as Head Coach (Ellis Johnson is the most pronounced example of this), and quite a few effective Head Coaches who are weak or worse at the X's and O's. Schiano was a joke as a game coach, but did an incredible job at Rutgers. Mack Brown is abysmal as a game coach, and is one of the most successful head coaches of the last 20 years.

One of my issues with cleaning house is that UConn wasn't failing. Weist took over in mid season, and play improved immediately. 2 of the losses were to ranked teams, and Cincinnati had been receiving votes or ranked for much of the season. We beat a Rutgers team by 11 that had beaten Arkansas earlier in the year, and destroyed a Memphis team that had played tough games against Houston, UCF and Louisville. It seemed like the team was getting better half to half by season's end. There is a lot of room for improvement, but it wasn't like the old staff was incompetent. So what does the new guy do? Clean house.

The message that a house cleaning sends is that his way is more important than the right way. That is how a lot of the players and other people around the program will interpret it, because that is how every organization interprets a house cleaning when the people still there don't think things were going that badly. "Because I said so" is not very effective for parenting or being a manager.

I don't want to make a bigger deal out of this than it is. Maybe Diaco wanted to keep 2-3 assistants, but the others didn't want to stay. We will probably never know. I am only saying that cleaning house is usually a bad idea unless an organization was completely failing or there were ethical problems. We don't have much to go on so far, but I would consider this a first time HC mistake. If he holds the recruiting class together and adds 3-4 3* surprises, then we will have some more to go off that is a little more positive.
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nelsonmuntz, you have to realize there's a new sheriff in town. The motives for cleaning house is quite simple; chemistry; "all for one, one for all". A staff without chemistry (do not see eye to eye) will not succeed. Diaco met with the staff and felt the 81% of the staff he did not retain did not fit the mold in order for him to succeed, so why keep them? it wasn't personal. Mike Foley and the graduate assistant did fit that mold, which again is highly important. If things were not working (it didn't for the past 3 years) then cleaning house is a GREAT idea. Beating Temple, Rutgers, and Memphis was not a successful season. I was inspired by the players and coaches perseverance, but then again you call it how you see it and 3-9 is not successful. I'm sure the players know it wasn't a successful season. Again, they didn't quit, but it wasn't a successful season, period. "The message that a house cleaning sends is that his way is more important than the right way" this is not true. It sends a message to the players that he's here to win and the players get that, 3-9, 5-7, 5-7 is not acceptable. "I am only saying that cleaning house is usually a bad idea unless an organization was completely failing or there were ethical problems" The program was completely failing muntz, what games were you watching for the past 3 years? With the things you wrote on this poster it doesn't give the impression that you did your research on Diaco. Let Diaco do his thing and stop being an energy vampire. Your looking at this in a negative light. In college football coaching changes whether its some coaches or all is common and players understand that.
 
Here is why I like the idea of cleaning house. There were too many "leaks" coming out that P had his hand in everything when it came to playcalling, messing with the defense, offense, that coaches weren't happy with the interfering. Those were reports here from fans "close" to the program. True or not? I don't know, but if it is even slightly true, they gotta go. P did them dudes a favor by keeping them, if that is how they repaid him, shame on them. Then again, it is the boneyard, it was probably all bs, but when that stuff was being posted, it didn't sit well with me. Agree or disagree, if you don't show a united front to the team, its over. Reminds me of what upstater says about comittees. When you come out of the room, the decisison needs to come off as unanimous.

Bottom line, its Diaco's program now. He is going to run it his way, with his people. All aboard.
 
Freaking 13 wins in 3 years.

A house cleaning was ABSOLUTELY necessary. Just plain dumb to think otherwise.

Just like all the people who thought it was a bad idea that Cersosimo left. Now all of a sudden, WR is a strength of the team, instead of the glaring weakness it's been for a decade.

Somehow people are getting the impression that there is only ONE group of coaches in the whole world that could have won the last 3 games. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

TJ was great the last few weeks. How about before that ? The offense was BRUTAL. People wanted him fired as OC, then again as Interim HC. 3 good games does not a career make.

Day was great the last few weeks. How about before that ? QB's couldn't get out of their own way for 2 years. I like what he did with Casey, but i'm sure there's someone else in the world who could have done it too.

Hughes was a BAD DC. Period. Every chance he got to be DC, the defense woefully underperformed.

The rest...were also around for the 13 wins over 3 seasons. I wish them well, but I wish them well ELSEWHERE !
 
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Probably all good coaches in there somewhere. Culture change needed top to bottom. Happens. I am sure that their contracts were not year to year, maybe withsome buyout stuff in there.
 
Ffcouty fan,

Is there ever an issue that is not completely black and white to you?

Other posters have covered this ground too. Cleaning house is a message that everything that came before completely sucks, and it is also a built in excuse if things don't go well.

The one thing I will say in Diaco's defense is that it looks like Weist didn't want to stay.
 
I think if the decision really was Weist's, he made a bad one.

I think if he waited a year, got a seat on the Diaco express as the OC and the offense continued to show improvement as it did down the stretch against what will be a weaker schedule next year, TJ could have set himself up to get a better job/payday. What HC jobs are out there right now for him? I'm guessing lesser ones than would be out there a year from now if the offense and passing game in particular kept improving.

But again, who knows if BD would have kept him anyway. Best of luck to TJ whatever he does.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Ffcouty fan,

Is there ever an issue that is not completely black and white to you?

Other posters have covered this ground too. Cleaning house is a message that everything that came before completely sucks, and it is also a built in excuse if things don't go well.

The one thing I will say in Diaco's defense is that it looks like Weist didn't want to stay.
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I have done it. It works. The nice thing about football is that you have 9 month of off season to just do something like this; whereas, in business you have to keep making widgets every day. You can't stop for 9 months to retool.

Cleaning house is a message that , in fact, everything s going to be better than it was.

Unfortunately somebody has to take one for the team.
 
Waylon, when in negotiations there are few easier marks than a party who while at a point of weakness pretends to be operating from a point of strength. Somehow you believe that this is exactly what we should do, whether is be going independent in football or propping up our staff of assistant coaches after making a new hire. You can spend all the time and effort you care to trying to claim that we were really a good 3-9. One reality is the only thing that 98% of the outside world will hear (and believe) are that we were 3-9.

I imagine that Diaco had people in mind for both coordinator jobs from when he was interviewing at BC a year ago. The positions that would be available would be quite limited and he would need to be convinced that who he brings on (or retains) is willing and able to teach what he wants to run. He made it clear in his introductory presser that he wanted an offense that pushed the opposing defense around. He was able to see first hand what Foley's line did against UVA and I would wager heavily that he saw countless hours of film of what Foley's line did to the ND defense he was inheriting. I doubt that there were any defensive coaches that made any sense keeping and it is very likely that there was no match (in part as the OC position would not be available to one of the former coaches) for any offensive coach outside of Foley.

As far as Diaco being a first time coach, Foley has a wealth of experience and the possibility exists that one of the coaches he brings in will also have a wealth of experience.
 
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Question asked in a Pete Roussel Q&A tonight....some news tomorrow would be nice....

Comment From Steve
Any rumors of UCONN coordinators?


Pete Roussel:
Not yet, but I'm going to work on getting some info about UCONN tomorrow. I do know that Diaco didn't retain 3 grad assistants. I hate that for young coaches.
 
PAGS said:
Question asked in a Pete Roussel Q&A tonight....some news tomorrow would be nice....

Comment From Steve
Any rumors of UCONN coordinators?


Pete Roussel:
Not yet, but I'm going to work on getting some info about UCONN tomorrow. I do know that Diaco didn't retain 3 grad assistants. I hate that for young coaches.
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Go back to post #40 for the name of which one he kept ;)
 
Saw that article, great for Doug. Not so patiently awaiting news on the new OC! Can't wait till January! lol

Will be nice if Pete breaks something tomorrow.
 
thatguyed said:
Should we be speculating about a landing spot for Boyle?
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