Pete Rose, 'Shoeless' Joe Jackson among players reinstated by MLB

[UconnU]

I wonder what would happen an obvious steroid user who couldn’t get in solely bc of steroids became a legendary coach or executive. Would they still hold it against them? If they let them in bc of their coaching/managing would the hall mention their playing days?

 

[metsfan2323]

mike piazza is the obvious one.

Yeah, Piazza showed up to spring training dramatically shrunken when MLB started cracking down on steroids, same with Bagwell.

Pujols is another obvious user who will likely soon be in the HOF.

 

[jibsey]

My point is he wasn’t a Palmeiro or other type who had a big power jump in the majors. There’s lots of smoke with him with many anonymous (lame I know) calling him out over the years. I truthfully believe Canseco when he said 75% of the league was on juice. I have little doubt about Piazza.

That leaves 1-4 who weren’t. Need hard evidence on these players and that’s not happening.

 

[ColchVEGAS]

I was a great guy until I murdered a bunch of folks on December 31st. So I should still win man of the year.

Fair.

As a player only Rose did not gamble on sports. His gambling started when he became player/manager. My point was if looking at his playing career he is HOF. Induct him in as a player, not a manager. But again gambling on sports is not an individual performance enhancer.

When talking about the PED guys it gets tough. There were players that had HOF careers prior to using PEDs. While the PED users are being left out currently there are plenty of players in the HOF who were known to take greenies and doctor baseballs, amongst other things. I just find it silly that "gambling" is where the line is being drawn on clear cut HOF resumes.

Edit: Clarification. Betting on yourself or team to succeed is much different than betting against yourself or team.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Rose was a jerk, and a lot of people around baseball never forgave him for the dirty play in a freaking all-star game that effectively ruined Ray Fosse’s career. Many baseball people from that era really hated him.

And that mattered. Look at a guy like Bobby Riggs in tennis. He openly bet on his own matches, even in his prime, but everyone loved him and thought he was hilarious, so there were no consequences at all.

 

[boog204]

That leaves 1-4 who weren’t. Need hard evidence on these players and that’s not happening.

Of course and even the evidence itself is sketchy. Sosa and McGwire never failed official tests and Bonds failed tests were through Balco and not MLB. All fans can do with most guys is assume or defend. I believe MLB knew without question which guys to go after and which to leave alone. How else does Bonds go undetected, but random AAAA scrubs who are just trying to hang on get nabbed?

 

[Waquoit]

That doesn’t make any sense as an argument.

Something is either against the rules or it’s not. There is a very clear distinction and I am doing the opposite of trying to erase it.

If it's not enforced and word is out it won't be enforced, is it a rule? I bet you break the rules several times a day when you're the only one at a stop sign. I'm sure you rarely complete a "complete cessation of movement" unless you have to. Why don't you turn in your drivers license voluntarily? After all, rules are rules and I'm sure you deserve more than enough points on your license to lose it.

 

[TheChamps990411]

Honestly, i dont care. Vote them all in. You already have some horrible people in the HOF whats a few more? We have felons running countries a couple of gamblers in a sport HoF, meh!

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Jackson never should have been banned.
Rose should never be reinstated.

 

[Waquoit]

Jackson never should have been banned.

Disagree, he took the money and did nothing. He was in on it. Guilty.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Disagree, he took the money and did nothing. He was in on it. Guilty.

Jackson was illiterate but that didn't make him a mindless moron who was tricked into being part of the fix without knowing what was going on. He has been displayed basically as Lenny from Of Mice and Men for at least the last six decades, but that is a bit of a misrepresentation. He went so far as to say to Ty Cobb many years afterwards "I screwed up, I was stupid". Which was pretty much an admission of guilt.