Pessimism grows in college football over season starting on time (update: it’s crumbling):

[JohnFSilver]

Paul Finebaum was on Get Up the other day and said he has yet to hear a good reason why college football should play.

Going broke isn’t a good answer. Barring that? What is the rationale?

So all this talk about playing in the fall is just talk. Everyone knows where this is going. The only reason they haven’t cancelled now is the money. You buy as much time as possible.

 

[noeynox]

Paul Finebaum was on Get Up the other day and said he has yet to hear a good reason why college football should play.

Going broke isn’t a good answer. Barring that? What is the rationale?

So all this talk about playing in the fall is just talk. Everyone knows where this is going. The only reason they haven’t cancelled now is the money. You buy as much time as possible.

Money being the reason to play would seem to blow the entirety of the amateurism argument out of the water. CFB needs a Trevor Lawrence caliber player to say he is not playing because of the risk, and the whole thing would be seemingly put to bed.

 

[metsfan2323]

Going broke isn’t a good answer. Barring that? What is the rationale?

What is the rationale for participating in sports period? Have you ever played a sport? It's fun, teaches discipline and teamwork, creates lifelong friendships, male bonding, keeps the extra pounds off and at the college level it garners a free college experience/education and for some young people a chance to chase their dream of playing in professional sports. For most who go through this experience it in time becomes "the best years of their lives".

and they want to play this season because it is a year they will never get back and you can't guarantee that the situation will be any better next year. The virus might be here to stay and in time all of us will probably get it and you may have already had it and not have known you have had it.

 

[noeynox]

What is the rationale for participating in sports period? Have you ever played a sport? It's fun, teaches discipline and teamwork, creates lifelong friendships, male bonding, keeps the extra pounds off and at the college level it garners a free college experience/education and for some young people a chance to chase their dream of playing in professional sports. For most who go through this experience it in time becomes "the best years of their lives".

and they want to play this season because it is a year they will never get back and you can't guarantee that the situation will be any better next year. The virus might be here to stay and in time all of us will probably get it and you may have already had it and not have known you have had it.

Think your kind of missing the point/fact that going to conference only games is an admission they should not playing. And the schools conferences are only considering this because of the TV money the schools get for those conference games. Nothing you said is wrong, but these games only remain in consideration because of the $ at stake.

 

[metsfan2323]

Think your kind of missing the point/fact that going to conference only games is an admission they should not playing. And the schools conferences are only considering this because of the TV money the schools get for those conference games. Nothing you said is wrong, but these games only remain in consideration because of the $ at stake.

I think it makes perfect sense to let the pro leagues start first and let them be the "frontline" of this new experience of playing sports with Covid 19. Obviously if any professional league is forced to shutdown that would end college sports for this year, however if everything goes well at the pro level maybe the collegians can move forward with more confidence.

 

[noeynox]

I think it makes perfect sense to let the pro leagues start first and let them be the "frontline" of this new experience of playing sports with Covid 19. Obviously if any professional league is forced to shutdown that would end college sports for this year, however if everything goes well at the pro level maybe the collegians can move forward with more confidence.

One difference is pros are getting paid, and some high profile players like David Pryce and Buster Posey are opting out. The pros are a business and it makes sense they operate as such. If college sports does the same it really does fly in the face of the amateur argument.

 

[metsfan2323]

One difference is pros are getting paid, and some high profile players like David Pryce and Buster Posey are opting out. The pros are a business and it makes sense they operate as such. If college sports does the same it really does fly in the face of the amateur argument.

So when will it be OK for amateur football to comeback? Please don't tell me when it is safe.

BTW if UCONN sports were a business it would have filed for chapter 11 by now.

 

[huskymedic]

>> The National Junior College Athletic Association is expected to approve a proposal that would move its football season to the spring, according to Dr. Christopher Parker, the NJCAA president and CEO.

The decision, first reported by The Athletic, will affect 54 football-playing members of its association, which is made up of 512 schools.

"This plan gives our student-athletes the best opportunity to have as much of a quality season in the spring for all sports, while also allowing some time and engagement when allowed by their individual institutions in the fall," Parker said.

Under the NCAA Presidents Advisory Council's proposal, football practice would begin on March 1, 2021, with games beginning on March 25. There would be a maximum of seven games allowed, with play wrapping up by May 15 and the NJCAA championship and bowl games beginning on June 3.<<

 

[noeynox]

So when will it be OK for amateur football to comeback? Please don't tell me when it is safe.

BTW if UCONN sports were a business it would have filed for chapter 11 by now.

I'm thinking next year, if they have a better handle on it all. Look at what's happening in Florida right now. I can't believe they haven't officially canceled youth football up here yet to be honest.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[DAC17]

On a serious note, will UConn be better off financially (due to all the variable costs of the games being eliminated) or lose money due to the lack of the payout games (where they are the cupcakes)?

 

[huskymedic]

On a serious note, will UConn be better off financially (due to all the variable costs of the games being eliminated) or lose money due to the lack of the payout games (where they are the cupcakes)?

UConn has no real “buy games” (e.g. Clemson/tOSU) on the 2020 schedule.

The Courant did a quick financial breakdown when the schedule was initially announced:

>>Here is the full breakdown of payments attached to each 2020 matchup:

• vs. UMass - UConn pays $150,000
• at Illinois - UConn collects $200,000
• vs. Indiana - UConn pays $300,000
• at Ole Miss - n/a
• vs. Liberty - UConn pays $250,000
• at San Jose State - UConn collects $200,000
• vs. Army - UConn pays $200,000
• at Virginia - UConn collects $400,000
• vs. Maine - UConn pays $280,500

The games against UMass, Illinois, Indiana, Liberty, San Jose State and Army are all part of home-and-home series. In each case, the home team pays the visiting team the same amount for each matchup, meaning the costs eventually even out. For example, UConn will get back its $250,000 from Liberty when the teams play at Liberty in 2023.<<

 

[DAC17]

Guess that makes the answer easier then, huh?

I guess the athletic department can count this toward their $10 million savings target.

 

[J187Money]

Its a tough situation for sure. I'm ok with schools going forward, assuming that scholarships are honored for kids that choose not to play. And if they don't have enough players? Then they can scrap it school by school.

There will be chaos - but there will already be chaos. And let's not pretend that nobody will get sick because games are cancelled. Look at the numbers now? I would have complete sympathy for an athlete that has been hiding in his house since March and feels forced to come out and go to practice and play - but that isn't really what is happening. My kids have been hanging out with their friends pretty much the whole time.

I just went to Evansville to set up my son in his apartment. Grad school started - he is in class - in person already - and had clinical hours last week. Someone at the rehab facility tested positive on Friday - so no clinical hours this week. He is running 50-60 hours a week to gear up for the season. Has only taken one week off since Thanksgiving last year. His whole team is on campus and ready to run. I know XC isn't football but there is still risk - and the kids want to run. Let them run - they might get COVID going to the grocery store or IHOP, or school, or during clinical.

Anyone that wants to opt out can and should opt out - with no harm. But let's be honest - the line that the schools are risking their student's lives is BS. Nobody has to play.

 

[huskymedic]

Formal announcement:

 

[freescooter]

Think your kind of missing the point/fact that going to conference only games is an admission they should not playing. And the schools conferences are only considering this because of the TV money the schools get for those conference games. Nothing you said is wrong, but these games only remain in consideration because of the $ at stake.

And when you look at so many things, the conference only rationale just breaks down. Syracuse is sending a team to Clemson? Into a COVID hotspot? When N.Y. is threatening to fine you for traveling from South Carolina and not quarantining for 14 days Syracuse is going to argue it is safe to play football there? Honestly it would be safer to play a regional schedule of Buffalo UConn UMass Army, BC etc than play their ACC schedule which other than BC are all hotspots. Anyone going to FSU or FSU going anywhere is a problem. Same with Clemson same with all the North Carolina schools.
Then there is the testing issue. How often do you test and how? And test supplies are becoming scarce again, so the Question is is it appropriate to in effect hoard scarce supplies for athletic teams will be raised.

LA mayor is a mess, Arizona is a mess, parts of Texas are seeing icu beds over capacity. Florida has more cases than all but 4 countries and is doing little to fight it. But it’s ok for Washington to send a team to LA or Arizona Or BC to send on to Miami. So is it fair to keep college students quarantined while there classmates live somewhat normal (new normal perhaps but normal none the less) lives? To make certain teams play only road games? What if 15 players test positive on Monday? Can you play Saturday? Can the team you just played?

There will be lots of bluff and bluster but I doubt there will be football this season.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[noeynox]

As usual just trying to shat on everybody not in the P5. Why not lay out your testing standards and if a non P5 school can meet it you play them and not if they can't?

 

[Huskygrad88]

And when you look at so many things, the conference only rationale just breaks down. Syracuse is sending a team to Clemson? Into a COVID hotspot? When N.Y. is threatening to fine you for traveling from South Carolina and not quarantining for 14 days Syracuse is going to argue it is safe to play football there? Honestly it would be safer to play a regional schedule of Buffalo UConn UMass Army, BC etc than play their ACC schedule which other than BC are all hotspots. Anyone going to FSU or FSU going anywhere is a problem. Same with Clemson same with all the North Carolina schools.
Then there is the testing issue. How often do you test and how? And test supplies are becoming scarce again, so the Question is is it appropriate to in effect hoard scarce supplies for athletic teams will be raised.

LA mayor is a mess, Arizona is a mess, parts of Texas are seeing icu beds over capacity. Florida has more cases than all but 4 countries and is doing little to fight it. But it’s ok for Washington to send a team to LA or Arizona Or BC to send on to Miami. So is it fair to keep college students quarantined while there classmates live somewhat normal (new normal perhaps but normal none the less) lives? To make certain teams play only road games? What if 15 players test positive on Monday? Can you play Saturday? Can the team you just played?

There will be lots of bluff and bluster but I doubt there will be football this season.

In The Syracuse to Clemson example, I think the better one is either GT or Florida State coming to play at Syracuse. Right now you are required to quarantine for 14 days if you come to NY from either of those states. So unless those teams are coming and sitting in NY for two weeks before the game is played, then every other person in America can come to NY and totally ignore the governors order.

Of course there is an exemption for pro sports teams, so maybe they will do the same for college.

 

[noeynox]

In The Syracuse to Clemson example, I think the better one is either GT or Florida State coming to play at Syracuse. Right now you are required to quarantine for 14 days if you come to NY from either of those states. So unless those teams are coming and sitting in NY for two weeks before the game is played, then every other person in America can come to NY and totally ignore the governors order.

Of course there is an exemption for pro sports teams, so maybe they will do the same for college.

Again this blurs the lines. Pro sports are given exemptions in large part because they are quarantining their athletes and testing. They gonna quarantine these amateurs for the sake of playing these games like the pros?

I can't imagine the lawsuit if just one of these large OL types gets corona and dies from complications. Would make the Maryland DJ Durkin seem like childs play.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[uconndogs]

That college football is going to screw this up royally is a certainty. Good lord.

 

[huskymedic]

>>“Right now, I don’t see a path in the current environment to how we play,” said a Power Five athletic director. “I’m confident we’ll get back to what we all think of as normal, but it may be a year before that happens.”<<

>>“Ultimately, no one is playing football in the fall,” said a high-ranking college official. “It’s just a matter of how it unfolds. As soon one of the ‘autonomy five’ or Power Five conferences makes a decision, that’s going to end it.”<<

>>The best way to look at the Pac-12 and Big Ten’s decisions aren’t through their “health and safety” talking points. They’re best viewed as inevitable chronological steps that will unfold.

• Status quo (The SEC, Big 12 and ACC are here.)
• Conference play with the ability to delay (The Big Ten and Pac-12, which will soon have company.)
• The Spring (This is gaining conversation, but detractors remain.)
• Cancel (More people are talking about this than fans want to know.)

Those are the basic tenets of what could happen, as the desperation for some type of television inventory will allow creativity.<<

 

[huskymedic]

 

[noeynox]

Good honest answer from the AD. The $ are too great to just forego the season. Right now, they are hanging on to a prayer.