Path Forward for UConn

[FfldCntyFan]

If the SEC gets wind of UNC to the B1G, they grab UNC.

On one of the threads in this forum I posted earlier that, excluding ND, the ACC schools are a number of schools that know they wont get an offer from either of the big two, a handful of schools that hope they'll get an offer from one of the two and UVA & UNC, who will be offered by both.

The SEC has wanted a presence in the two southern states that it doesn't have membership for a while. I can see a scenario where, if NC St continues as a ranked football program and Va Tech returns to where they were under Beemer that the SEC would take them for the Virginia & North Carolina presence. The fan bases of those schools are more culturally aligned to their SEC counterparts than UVA and UNC and their football prowess (it its there) and game attendance could make them more attractive to the SEC.

 

[superjohn]

Very true, but they were pretty close to joining the B1G a quarter century ago and as the old guard alumni continue to age out the resistance to giving up football independence will continue to drop.

Being the national independent brand is their thing, they join the Big 10 and they lose all that. Plus they hate the Big 10, Irish Catholics can hold a grudge like no other. They also don't need the money.

Just don't see it happening.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Miami is the exception to that rule, I don't like them but networks would absolutely pay imo

Why would they?

 

[upstater]

Yet Kansas will bring value to the acc?

It would make the ACC the best bball conference. Kansas transcends its demographics the way Duke does.

Also, $50m is very different than $100 mill (SEC) so it's an apples to oranges comparison. Joining the P2 is a very high bar (we dont even talk about it for UConn).

My automatic assumption is that the football schools are taking over the NCAAT.

When that happens, bball is going to be revalued, since success in the NCAAT is going to translate into a lot more money.

I also believe that the B12 has larded themselves with market losers, and this is going to be reflected in their deal in 2031. Kansas will be looking at the ACC the way P12 schools just looked at the B12.

 

[djct1999]

It would make the ACC the best bball conference. Kansas transcends its demographics the way Duke does.

My automatic assumption is that the football schools are taking over the NCAAT.

When that happens, bball is going to be revalued, since success in the NCAAT is going to translate into a lot more money.

I also believe that the B12 has larded themselves with market losers, and this is going to be reflected in their deal in 2031. Kansas will be looking at the ACC the way P12 schools just looked at the B12.

That’s a lot of assumptions. But time will tell.

 

[superjohn]

It would make the ACC the best bball conference. Kansas transcends its demographics the way Duke does.

My automatic assumption is that the football schools are taking over the NCAAT.

When that happens, bball is going to be revalued, since success in the NCAAT is going to translate into a lot more money.

I also believe that the B12 has larded themselves with market losers, and this is going to be reflected in their deal in 2031. Kansas will be looking at the ACC the way P12 schools just looked at the B12.

Agreed, it makes absolutely no sense what the Pac 12 did yesterday.

 

[upstater]

On one of the threads in this forum I posted earlier that, excluding ND, the ACC schools are a number of schools that know they wont get an offer from either of the big two, a handful of schools that hope they'll get an offer from one of the two and UVA & UNC, who will be offered by both.

The SEC has wanted a presence in the two southern states that it doesn't have membership for a while. I can see a scenario where, if NC St continues as a ranked football program and Va Tech returns to where they were under Beemer that the SEC would take them for the Virginia & North Carolina presence. The fan bases of those schools are more culturally aligned to their SEC counterparts than UVA and UNC and their football prowess (it its there) and game attendance could make them more attractive to the SEC.

I can see this, I dont think it's likely, but the one thing standing in the way of it is that UNC will choose the SEC, and if it does, I don't see the B1G taking NC State.

 

[huskidork]

Why would they?

they're a great brand in a massive state, have had success in football while it's been pretty rocky since they joined the ACC they are still a great brand, basketball just made the final four, women's was really good too, like it's not hard to see why

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I will add that if the ACC somehow get their act together and added UConn and others, it will be a winning move for their survival especially for schools that might not end up in the Big 2.

If the B12 doesn't add UConn soon, I feel they they will truly regret the day if the ACC added us first. We are B12's best opportunity to plant a flag in the Northeast, and they just added a couple redundant schools in markets they already own.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Being the national independent brand is their thing, they join the Big 10 and they lose all that. Plus they hate the Big 10, Irish Catholics can hold a grudge like no other. They also don't need the money.

Just don't see it happening.

They haven't hated the Big 10 in my lifetime (more than 60 years) and those who cherish independence start a decade younger than me and age up.

They were very close (either 1998 or 1999, I don't remember exactly which year it was) to joining the B1G a quarter century ago and the more time passes, the less those involved will be firm on remaining independent.

One of us obviously will be wrong and I believe we are at least a dozen years from finding out, but hopefully I'll be around to discuss this with you when the time comes.

By the way, I'd be far more concerned with a Sicilian holding a grudge than an Irishman.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I can see this, I dont think it's likely, but the one thing standing in the way of it is that UNC will choose the SEC, and if it does, I don't see the B1G taking NC State.

I also don't see NC St (or Va Tech) being of any interest to the B1G. I'm not sure however that UNC wouldn't prefer the B1G. Time will tell.

 

[NH Husky]

I don’t have the energy to go back and forth. I will just reiterate that I am far less optimistic about the acc’s future than you. A lot less.

In our situation, it’s not a matter of which conference is better - it’s close enough to be a tie. It’s what conference is better for us. If people can put aside hurt feelings from 10-15 years ago, the obvious answer is ACC

 

[superjohn]

They haven't hated the Big 10 in my lifetime (more than 60 years) and those who cherish independence start a decade younger than me and age up.

They were very close (either 1998 or 1999, I don't remember exactly which year it was) to joining the B1G a quarter century ago and the more time passes, the less those involved will be firm on remaining independent.

One of us obviously will be wrong and I believe we are at least a dozen years from finding out, but hopefully I'll be around to discuss this with you when the time comes.

By the way, I'd be far more concerned with a Sicilian holding a grudge than an Irishman.

I don't think you have a great read on this, Notre Dame loves their independence and hates the Big 10 and that won't end when the old timers die off. We're all our fathers sons.

If the Big 10 keeps consuming everything and has enough power to cripple Notre Dame by keeping them out of everything then they would have to go eventually but I don't see a way they would ever go willingly.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Article said Yormark are ACC's lunch.

https://www.si.com/college/byu/football/brett-yormark-reportedly-beat-out-the-acc-to-land-more-pac-12-schools

 

[Revrat]

In our situation, it’s not a matter of which conference is better - it’s close enough to be a tie. It’s what conference is better for us. If people can put aside hurt feelings from 10-15 years ago, the obvious answer is ACC

I don't believe the ACC survives. I think half goes SEC then half goes big 10. Then a couple are stuck. But at the end if all this East Coast basketball, football or not, also needs to be carved up or there's no viewership. At the end of the day I think the Big10 is smart enough to be looking that far into the future. If I'm Vandy or Northweatern or any other number of schools im getting scared they no longer have enough originals to protect them.

 

[Seamus84]

I realize hope is not a strategy, but I’m banking that change is our friend at this point. I don’t think anyone predicted the scope and pace of this week’s changes. When a school like Stanford - which every year is in the running for the Directors Cup (best overall performance of all athletic teams) - is left out in the cold, I believe that will accelerate the formation of 20-24 team conferences and we find a home.

 

[djct1999]

Agreed, it makes absolutely no sense what the Pac 12 did yesterday.

No one said it did. But it’s equally crazy to think after yesterday that somehow the acc is the winner in this.

 

[NH Husky]

I don't believe the ACC survives. I think half goes SEC then half goes big 10. Then a couple are stuck. But at the end if all this East Coast basketball, football or not, also needs to be carved up or there's no viewership. At the end of the day I think the Big10 is smart enough to be looking that far into the future. If I'm Vandy or Northweatern or any other number of schools im getting scared they no longer have enough originals to protect them.

Unlike the PAC (now at 4 schools), I think they survive, it’s just where they stand in the pecking order. If they lost 4, it would be easy enough to backfill and be competitive with XII.

Plus, Stanford, Cal, Tulane, SMU would probably be more willing to work with the ACC than XII due to academic prestige.

 

[djct1999]

Unlike the PAC (now at 4 schools), I think they survive, it’s just where they stand in the pecking order. If they lost 4, it would be easy enough to backfill and be competitive with XII.

Not in football. Which probably means not in a tv deal. Then it all spirals downward.

 

[Sea Goat]

Unlike the PAC (now at 4 schools), I think they survive, it’s just where they stand in the pecking order. If they lost 4, it would be easy enough to backfill and be competitive with XII.

Plus, Stanford, Cal, Tulane, SMU would probably be more willing to work with the ACC than XII due to academic prestige.

A conference with Louisville in it?

 

[huskyinfl]

Can't the SEC just invite us to be their Washington Generals and give the NYC alumni a chance see a good ol beating?

 

[djct1999]

A conference with Louisville in it?

And Stanford will fly 3500 miles across the country every other week? Geography will come into play as well.

 

[CL82]

Miami is the exception to that rule, I don't like them but networks would absolutely pay imo

Why? How do you perceive them to be different from every other program?

 

[NH Husky]

A conference with Louisville in it?

Yes. But you had to pick the one school that we all know was a cultural outsider at that time they were picked but only got the invite because they were perceived as a football strength. They should’ve gone the route of Cincinnati if they didn’t pick us. We all know this but I guess you don’t.

 

[NH Husky]

And Stanford will fly 3500 miles across the country every other week? Geography will come into play as well.

If they want to remain P4 they will. And not much different than USC/UCLA to NJ/PA/MD. Or UCONN to AZ/UT.

Stanford is probably one of those schools who could copy Notre Dames model.

 

[djct1999]

If they want to remain P4 they will. And not much different than USC/UCLA to NJ/PA/MD. Or UCONN to AZ/UT.

Stanford is probably one of those schools who could copy Notre Dames model.

It’s quite different actually. Usc has three other schools out west and more times than not has to fly to Midwest, with an occasional trip to the east. Stanford has no one out west and will have to fly further almost always on a regular basis.

 

[NH Husky]

It’s quite different actually. Usc has three other schools out west and more times than not has to fly to Midwest, with an occasional trip to the east. Stanford has no one out west and will have to fly further almost always on a regular basis.

Only one other school when usc made their move, not much difference between a 2.5 and 3.5 hr fight, and of course you pick the worst case scenario to contradict my original point that the ACC can bring in schools to replace tbd departures and still be on par with XII. So feel free to think I’m wrong.

 

[RSTuthill]

I don't see any way Notre Dame ever joins the Big 10.

I understand your point. They control their own destiny the way it is now. And there is quite a bit of history. But ND is already in the B1G in hockey.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

If UConn doesn't get the invite soon, UConn needs to look into a steaming model with linear TV to get the football program profitable.

UConn can partner with Apple TV or Amazon to broadcast it's football games. I believe many big schools will go this route in the future as well if they think they can make more money on their own vs. being in a conference. There isn't any justification that Vandy should make the same amount as Alabama.

 

[BigTenFan]