Papa Johns pulls funding from Louisville AD

[CL82]

I disagree, to a certain extent. My guess is that Clemson and FSU threatened to leave if a football worthy school wasn't added and Tobacco Road bit. The ACC would cease being the conference they are if their two main football schools got up and left. The blame for UConn not being in the ACC lies squarely on FSU and Clemson.

For the louisville expansion, I'd agree, though it was them exclusively. For the Syracuse/Pitt expansion it was DeFillipo.

 

[Adios]

If the ACC had left UL for the taking and had taken us instead, they'd have exposed UL and Cincinnati for the Big 12 to take. The Big 12's mortal miatake, if it does collapse, will be not taking UL. That might have been enough to entice FSU and Clemson to join.

 

[dayooper]

If the ACC had left UL for the taking and had taken us instead, they'd have exposed UL and Cincinnati for the Big 12 to take. The Big 12's mortal miatake, if it does collapse, will be not taking UL. That might have been enough to entice FSU and Clemson to join.

Absolutely! The ACC (and ESPN) effectively cut off the Big12 at the knees when they took UL. It left no good partner for Cincinnati. Although UConn would make a great partner to Cincinnati from an athletic and academic position, you all to the Big12 was always awkward from a geography sense. I know you would have taken an invite to the Big12, but it really didn't make sense to me.

 

[huskyrob1]

No offense but I'd think more schools would be embarrassed by what's coming out of Baylor then Louisville yet I don't see any Big 12 schools lining up to give them the boot. Louisville is safe in the ACC as is every other P5 school. Paper trail or not, it won't matter in terms of their P5 status. Every university has their skeletons in the closet.

What you're saying is that being investigated by the NCAA is the same as being investigated by the FBI. You're totally clueless, schools might be embarrassed by an NCAA investigation but an FBI investigation is when embarrassment turns to worry and conference officials circle the wagons. There's a big difference between NCAA sanctions for recruiting parties and jail time for embezzlement and fraud.

 

[dayooper]

What you're saying is that being investigated by the NCAA is the same as being investigated by the FBI. You're totally clueless, schools might be embarrassed by an NCAA investigation but an FBI investigation is when embarrassment turns to worry and conference officials circle the wagons. There's a big difference between NCAA sanctions for recruiting parties and jail time for embezzlement and fraud.

Jail time for embezzlement is bad. Institutionalized cover up of sexual assault, hazing where football players were to sexually assault female students, bringing in players that were known risks for sexual assault on covering up of murder would be worse, in my humble opinion. I know some of that hasn't been proven in court yet, but it still looks very bad.

Anything that encourages prospective students from not going to your school is bad. I wouldn't let my daughter go near near Baylor. My guess is that many parents feel the same way. Does embezzlement have that same effect?

 

[UCFBfan]

What you're saying is that being investigated by the NCAA is the same as being investigated by the FBI. You're totally clueless, schools might be embarrassed by an NCAA investigation but an FBI investigation is when embarrassment turns to worry and conference officials circle the wagons. There's a big difference between NCAA sanctions for recruiting parties and jail time for embezzlement and fraud.

Well since I'm clueless you can just let me know when Louisville gets kicked out. I'm done with this argument as you've clearly decided you are right and that's it.

 

[Adios]

Absolutely! The ACC (and ESPN) effectively cut off the Big12 at the knees when they took UL. It left no good partner for Cincinnati. Although UConn would make a great partner to Cincinnati from an athletic and academic position, you all to the Big12 was always awkward from a geography sense. I know you would have taken an invite to the Big12, but it really didn't make sense to me.

I am actually kind of surprised they didn't add UL and UC to go along with WVU.

 

[dayooper]

I am actually kind of surprised they didn't add UL and UC to go along with WVU.

Yes, but the deal was getting paid as a 12 team conference with only 10 teams. Adding UL and UC would have sliced off money from the media deal. WVU was willing to move early and they were the choice. Still very awkward being that far out.

 

[Adios]

Yes, but the deal was getting paid as a 12 team conference with only 10 teams. Adding UL and UC would have sliced off money from the media deal. WVU was willing to move early and they were the choice. Still very awkward being that far out.

Doesn't matter. If Big 12 implodes, and it doesn't necessarily have to, this will be viewed as being very short-sighted by most of the remaining schools.

Big 12's footprint looks like a failed attempt to expand eastward.

 

[Ldandy]

Regardless of what is put out publicly by the conference, the majority of its members realize that it is on borrowed time. With that likely being the case they've decided to squeeze as much money out of this thing before it implodes. Adding new members was never happening. It was simply a horse and pony show put on to extort a few more dollars out of their media partners. Adding more members would have complicated things for the members eyeing a potential future move.

 

[dayooper]

Doesn't matter. If Big 12 implodes, and it doesn't necessarily have to, this will be viewed as being very short-sighted by most of the remaining schools.

Big 12's footprint looks like a failed attempt to expand eastward.

The Big12, with the exception of Texas, has always been short sighted. Texas and Oklahoma knew going into this that it wouldn't last, they agreed to the deal and the GoR because they knew they could make money on the front end. Remember, six schools tried to leave in 2012 and were rebuffed by the Pac12. Oklahoma and OSU also tried to leave to the PAC12 and were also rebuffed. They knew from the beginning that the conference wasn't going to last. TTU, Baylor, OSU, KSU and ISU have no where else to go (I know there are some that feel that the SEC would take OSU on their own, but that's crazy talk). WVU and TCU needed a more stable home than what they had.

ESPN made up their mind when they gave the go ahead to include UL in the ACC. They will not get the deal they got in 2012. They are done getting paid what they are now. ESPN made their choice and the Big12 has to find out what to do in 2025.

 

[CL82]

Regardless of what is put out publicly by the conference, the majority of its members realize that it is on borrowed time. With that likely being the case they've decided to squeeze as much money out of this thing before it implodes.

I agree with this, but then why not just add new members? They wouldn't dilute the TV deal, since their was and anti-dilution clause The existing Big 12 members could have taken four from the ACC and told them that they'd only get 2M a year until the end of the current contract. Easy peasy money grab.

 

[huskyrob1]

Regardless of what is put out publicly by the conference, the majority of its members realize that it is on borrowed time. With that likely being the case they've decided to squeeze as much money out of this thing before it implodes. Adding new members was never happening. It was simply a horse and pony show put on to extort a few more dollars out of their media partners. Adding more members would have complicated things for the members eyeing a potential future move.

The only place I hear about "borrowed time" and it "imploding" is on message boards. So I have my doubts. I see it happening in a few years when TV contracts expire, but until then I think the Big 12 is fairly stable.

 

[Seaa Blue]

I agree with this, but then why not just add new members? They wouldn't dilute the TV deal, since their was and anti-dilution clause The existing Big 12 members could have taken four from the ACC and told them that they'd only get 2M a year until the end of the current contract. Easy peasy money grab.

I think they decided not to bite the hand that feeds them. Additionally, a GoR extension may have been involved, and unless they would have landed a money-maker, they would only be prolonging their current condition. We've already seen that they are finding it more difficult to attract top talent.

 

[CL82]

I think they decided not to bite the hand that feeds them. Additionally, a GoR extension may have been involved, and unless they would have landed a money-maker, they would only be prolonging their current condition.

I agree with that first part, but if you think that your conference is going to blow up anyway, why not? ESPN had already screwed you by refusing to do a B12 network and then offering one to the ACC a few weeks later.

I don't think that a GOR extension was required for the anti-delusion clause payment step up.

 

[Seaa Blue]

I agree with that first part, but if you think that your conference is going to blow up anyway, why not? ESPN had already screwed you by refusing to do a B12 network and then offering one to the ACC a few weeks later.

I don't think that a GOR extension was required for the anti-delusion clause payment step up.

I agree on the extension. Not sure if top schools would be interested without an extension however.

I went back and added the part about attracting top talent. They're playing Rich Rod'-style arena football now. Most of the talent is on offense. They may find unfavorable match-ups in the post season, and that would further hurt recruiting.

 

[huskyrob1]

I think they decided not to bite the hand that feeds them. Additionally, a GoR extension may have been involved, and unless they would have landed a money-maker, they would only be prolonging their current condition. We've already seen that they are finding it more difficult to attract top talent.

Is it just your opinion that they can't find top talent conference wide or can you cite something to back that up.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Is it just your opinion that they can't find top talent conference wide or can you cite something to back that up.

2017 Football Team Rankings

Oklahoma is the only one in the Top 20, and they just got a new coach.

The AAC "out-NFL-drafted" the Big 12.

• If you took out Oklahoma, the Big 12 would’ve ranked right in the middle of the mid-majors.

Draft pick totals by conference: SEC wins again

 

[huskymike]

I disagree, to a certain extent. My guess is that Clemson and FSU threatened to leave if a football worthy school wasn't added and Tobacco Road bit. The ACC would cease being the conference they are if their two main football schools got up and left. The blame for UConn not being in the ACC lies squarely on FSU and Clemson.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But, I thought BC became territorial and blocked UConn because they wanted to be "New England's School."

 

[ramses 2.0]

I disagree, to a certain extent. My guess is that Clemson and FSU threatened to leave if a football worthy school wasn't added and Tobacco Road bit. The ACC would cease being the conference they are if their two main football schools got up and left. The blame for UConn not being in the ACC lies squarely on FSU and Clemson.

FSU & Clemson have always pushed for stronger football teams & Louisville fit the bill especially if you look at their record & investment since Jurich became AD. Since 1997 Uof L has won 160 games,been to 16 bowls &only had 3 losing seasons. They have state of art facilities along with the willingness to spend to compete with the big dogs

 

[dayooper]

FSU & Clemson have always pushed for stronger football teams & Louisville fit the bill especially if you look at their record & investment since Jurich became AD. Since 1997 Uof L has won 160 games,been to 16 bowls &only had 3 losing seasons. They have state of art facilities along with the willingness to spend to compete with the big dogs

Yup, and they are willing to push the envelope on certain things as well. Bringing Bobby Petrino back when no other P5 school would touch him surprised me. He's a good coach, but his resume was tarnished a bit with his motorcycle ride. I though if he came back to a P5 school, it would take longer than it did.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But, I thought BC became territorial and blocked UConn because they wanted to be "New England's School."

My guess is that if Tobacco Road wanted UConn, BC and Syracuse couldn't stop it. They may have wanted to be the New England school, but they had no leverage. BC threatens to leave if UConn is admitted, Tobacco Road says

FSU and Clemson leaving has much more leverage than BC does. BC may have gone along with what FSU and Clemson were saying, but the power lies with the football schools.

I know this isn't a popular opinion here, but the ACC made the right call. It stopped Big12 expansion and secured themselves as a power conference. UConn may have made them more money, especially with the ACCN coming in a couple of years, but taking you all couldn't have stopped Big12 expansion like taking UL did.

 

[huskyrob1]

Yup, and they are willing to push the envelope on certain things as well. Bringing Bobby Petrino back when no other P5 school would touch him surprised me. He's a good coach, but his resume was tarnished a bit with his motorcycle ride. I though if he came back to a P5 school, it would take longer than it did.



My guess is that if Tobacco Road wanted UConn, BC and Syracuse couldn't stop it. They may have wanted to be the New England school, but they had no leverage. BC threatens to leave if UConn is admitted, Tobacco Road says

FSU and Clemson leaving has much more leverage than BC does. BC may have gone along with what FSU and Clemson were saying, but the power lies with the football schools.

I know this isn't a popular opinion here, but the ACC made the right call. It stopped Big12 expansion and secured themselves as a power conference. UConn may have made them more money, especially with the ACCN coming in a couple of years, but taking you all couldn't have stopped Big12 expansion like taking UL did.

I think you and "Tobacco Road" are full of poo poo.

 

[CL82]

My guess is that if Tobacco Road wanted UConn, BC and Syracuse couldn't stop it.

I don't think 'cuse was a part of the conference yet, so while they may have expressed a preference, they didn't have a vote.

BC wasn't driving the push for 'ville, it was, as you correctly state, FSU and Clemson, but BC was part of the coalition that backed 'ville.

This was FSU and Clemson flexing their muscle against Tobacco Road. The timing was such that they prevailed.

 

[dayooper]

I don't think 'cuse was a part of the conference yet, so while they may have expressed a preference, they didn't have a vote.

BC wasn't driving the push for 'ville, it was, as you correctly state, FSU and Clemson, but BC was part of the coalition that backed 'ville.

This was FSU and Clemson flexing their muscle against Tobacco Road. The timing was such that they prevailed.

I believe that BC backed the UL coalition. I hope someday you all will be part of either the Big10 or ACC (preferably the Big10). I know there is a group of Michigan fans that wanted UConn over Rutgers and still voice that opinion over on MGoBlog.

 

[CL82]

I believe that BC backed the UL coalition. I hope someday you all will be part of either the Big10 or ACC (preferably the Big10). I know there is a group of Michigan fans that wanted UConn over Rutgers and still voice that opinion over on MGoBlog.

Yeah, I've actually posted a few times that RU made more sense, so long as athletic competence wasn't the prime criteria.

I hope we will find and home in the B1G, preferably, or the ACC, but I don't see how it will happen.

 

[Hoophound]

People are getting confused. BC blocked us in the round that got Pitt and Cuse in. It was supposed to be UConn and Cuse but BC objected per their AD. FSU and Clemson blocked us in the last round and rumor is Cuse backed them. Neither Cuse or BC has learned that UConn is good for them. I whole heartedly agree that they are good for us too.

 

[Travelman6]

Neither Cuse or BC has learned that UConn is good for them. I whole heartedly agree that they are good for us too.

Check out the clueless ones on the cuse boards, they don't get it. Haha, they still think uconn is no good despite tons of national championships in many sports. 4 in mens bball alone + all the womens championships and Uconn has been great in soccer, field hockey and other sports too.