PAC 12

[Stainmaster]

Cancelling basketball 3+ months in advance is absolutely ridiculous. Cancelling football is absolutely ridiculous as well when the guys actually at risk are the ones banging the drum that they want to play or coach. For every 2-3 guys that say they're out, there's 97 that want to play, but no one seems to want to listen or support those arguments which is wild.

Where are these numbers coming from?

 

[2north]

and the virus is primarily confined to high risk candidates (elderly and those with comorbidities)

Agree with most of what you said but this part is not true at all. Confined means limited to and that’s certainly not the case.

 

[billybud]

I asked my doctor about obesity....

I have a heavy frame...played football in high school, rugby through my 30's, soccer into 50's...

Lift three times a week and do my three miles...am still fairly solid...6'1 and 250

Yet..I wear a 55 jacket (I have them tailored and I don't like them tight)...and the BMI has me at "Obese"....and 60 pounds over normal range....

Doc said don't sweat it...you are fit, you have good lungs, your heart pumps well....charts aren't made for everyone.

 

[Lynyrd]

Agree with most of what you said but this part is not true at all. Confined means limited to and that’s certainly not the case.

Just because you do not like the word I chose does not necessarily make the statement untrue. 80% of the CDC reported deaths can be attributed to the elderly (individuals 65 or older). And, it is not a stretch to assume the remaining 20% involved comorbidities since patients with an underlying condition are believed to be 6x more likely to be hospitalized and 12x more likely to die, compared with those who have no such condition according to a recent Medscape report. I would say the above is a limited segment of the population, wouldn’t you?

I will concede that perhaps I could have chosen a better word but in the time of COVID the term confined just seemed to fit.

 

[krinklecut]

Just because you do not like the word I chose does not necessarily make the statement untrue. 80% of the CDC reported deaths can be attributed to the elderly (individuals 65 or older). And, it is not a stretch to assume the remaining 20% involved comorbidities since patients with an underlying condition are believed to be 6x more likely to be hospitalized and 12x more likely to die, compared with those who have no such condition according to a recent Medscape report. I would say the above is a limited segment of the population, wouldn’t you?

I will concede that perhaps I could have chosen a better word but in the time of COVID the term confined just seemed to fit.

what if I told you there were more dire long term effects of this disease that aren't death, that we're finding more and more about each day? Take of the tunnel vision goggles, man. This virus is tearing up peoples' hearts and lungs. Young, healthy people included.

 

[billybud]

One of FSU's most beloved BB players...27 year old former captain, Michael Ojo, died this week in training...of a heart attack.

While no one is saying that it is Covid related..teh Big O did have a positive test while asymptomatic earlier this year...

 

[2north]

Just because you do not like the word I chose does not necessarily make the statement untrue. 80% of the CDC reported deaths can be attributed to the elderly (individuals 65 or older). And, it is not a stretch to assume the remaining 20% involved comorbidities since patients with an underlying condition are believed to be 6x more likely to be hospitalized and 12x more likely to die, compared with those who have no such condition according to a recent Medscape report. I would say the above is a limited segment of the population, wouldn’t you?

I will concede that perhaps I could have chosen a better word but in the time of COVID the term confined just seemed to fit.

You are equating deaths to general risk which is not the same. Yes the majority of deaths are with the elderly but that is not the case with risk or transmission to/from any age bracket.

 

[Lynyrd]

what if I told you there were more dire long term effects of this disease that aren't death, that we're finding more and more about each day? Take of the tunnel vision goggles, man. This virus is tearing up peoples' hearts and lungs. Young, healthy people included.

I’d say that I would be happy to look at that information —- feel free to pass along

 

[Lynyrd]

You are equating deaths to general risk which is not the same. Yes the majority of deaths are with the elderly but that is not the case with risk or transmission to/from any age bracket.

No, you are. Life involves risk ... every day may be your last.

 

[borninansonia]

A successful life means one was smart about the risks taken. No risks, no success. Dumb risks, no success.

 

[krinklecut]

I’d say that I would be happy to look at that information —- feel free to pass along

From lung scarring to heart damage, COVID-19 may leave lingering marks - Berkeley News

UC Berkeley professor emeritus John Swartzberg explains how, for some patients, acute COVID-19 infection is just the beginning

news.berkeley.edu

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Heart Problems After COVID? Yes, It’s Possible

You beat the virus, but now it’s giving you chest pain. Learn more about COVID-19’s effects on your heart.

health.clevelandclinic.org

Long-term heart damage linked to COVID-19 could threaten careers of college athletes | Connect to Dots

At least five Big Ten conference athletes and several players in other conferences have tested positive for myocarditis, or heart muscle inflammation.

www.khou.com

Covid-19 infections leave an impact on the heart, raising concerns about lasting damage

It is too soon to say if the heart damage in patients recovering from Covid-19 is transient or permanent, but cardiologists are worried.

www.statnews.com

Prevent Bad Breath and Bacteria With These Dentist-Recommended Mouthwashes

Mouthwash can help fight bad breath, cavities, and gum disease alongside regular brushing and flossing. Here are the top brands recommended by dentists.

www.health.com

Research reveals heart complications in COVID-19 patients

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Long-term symptoms, complications of COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network

Acute symptoms of COVID-19, such as cough, fever and shortness of breath, are now widely known. What is not known, however, is what symptoms and complications may linger long after an initial COVID-19 infection. Early research shows the disease attacks more than just the respiratory system...

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What We Know About Long-Term COVID-19

The coronavirus can be deadly or symptomless — but for a growing number of people, it can also be long-term, with confounding symptoms.

www.thecut.com

 

[krinklecut]

From lung scarring to heart damage, COVID-19 may leave lingering marks - Berkeley News

UC Berkeley professor emeritus John Swartzberg explains how, for some patients, acute COVID-19 infection is just the beginning

news.berkeley.edu

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Heart Problems After COVID? Yes, It’s Possible

You beat the virus, but now it’s giving you chest pain. Learn more about COVID-19’s effects on your heart.

health.clevelandclinic.org

Long-term heart damage linked to COVID-19 could threaten careers of college athletes | Connect to Dots

At least five Big Ten conference athletes and several players in other conferences have tested positive for myocarditis, or heart muscle inflammation.

www.khou.com

Covid-19 infections leave an impact on the heart, raising concerns about lasting damage

It is too soon to say if the heart damage in patients recovering from Covid-19 is transient or permanent, but cardiologists are worried.

www.statnews.com

Prevent Bad Breath and Bacteria With These Dentist-Recommended Mouthwashes

Mouthwash can help fight bad breath, cavities, and gum disease alongside regular brushing and flossing. Here are the top brands recommended by dentists.

www.health.com

Research reveals heart complications in COVID-19 patients

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Long-term symptoms, complications of COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network

Acute symptoms of COVID-19, such as cough, fever and shortness of breath, are now widely known. What is not known, however, is what symptoms and complications may linger long after an initial COVID-19 infection. Early research shows the disease attacks more than just the respiratory system...

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org

What We Know About Long-Term COVID-19

The coronavirus can be deadly or symptomless — but for a growing number of people, it can also be long-term, with confounding symptoms.

www.thecut.com

I can't shake Covid-19: Warnings from young survivors still suffering | CNN

Whether they contracted the virus in the snow-capped peaks of the Alps or in the heart of the outbreak in New York's borough of Queens, these young survivors are warning their generation of the long-term risk of drinking in a crowded bar.

www.cnn.com

Interstitial Lung Disease: Symptoms, Causes, Types

Learn about interstitial lung disease, including life expectancy and prognosis.

www.healthline.com

CDC warns many young adults with COVID-19 report severe long-term side effects

As cases among young people rise, the CDC draws attention to misconceptions about COVID-19's lasting side effects

www.salon.com

Doctors say they’re seeing long-term effects on the hearts of COVID-19 patients

Doctors say they are now figuring out that COVID-19 can have long-term effects on a patient’s heart, even if the individual has fully recovered from the virus.

www.wafb.com

 

[Lynyrd]

I can't shake Covid-19: Warnings from young survivors still suffering | CNN

Whether they contracted the virus in the snow-capped peaks of the Alps or in the heart of the outbreak in New York's borough of Queens, these young survivors are warning their generation of the long-term risk of drinking in a crowded bar.

www.cnn.com

Interstitial Lung Disease: Symptoms, Causes, Types

Learn about interstitial lung disease, including life expectancy and prognosis.

www.healthline.com

CDC warns many young adults with COVID-19 report severe long-term side effects

As cases among young people rise, the CDC draws attention to misconceptions about COVID-19's lasting side effects

www.salon.com

Doctors say they’re seeing long-term effects on the hearts of COVID-19 patients

Doctors say they are now figuring out that COVID-19 can have long-term effects on a patient’s heart, even if the individual has fully recovered from the virus.

www.wafb.com

Thank you ... I will read.

 

[tzznandrew]

I can't shake Covid-19: Warnings from young survivors still suffering | CNN

Whether they contracted the virus in the snow-capped peaks of the Alps or in the heart of the outbreak in New York's borough of Queens, these young survivors are warning their generation of the long-term risk of drinking in a crowded bar.

www.cnn.com

Interstitial Lung Disease: Symptoms, Causes, Types

Learn about interstitial lung disease, including life expectancy and prognosis.

www.healthline.com

CDC warns many young adults with COVID-19 report severe long-term side effects

As cases among young people rise, the CDC draws attention to misconceptions about COVID-19's lasting side effects

www.salon.com

Doctors say they’re seeing long-term effects on the hearts of COVID-19 patients

Doctors say they are now figuring out that COVID-19 can have long-term effects on a patient’s heart, even if the individual has fully recovered from the virus.

www.wafb.com

anecdotally, two of my friends who were among the earliest confirmed Covid cases in CT now have to carry an inhaler and their arms & legs periodically go numb. Which is pretty bad, considering their job often involves them carrying heavy things...and now they've dropped their expensive equipment a number of times. These are people in their 30s.

 

[midtownHUSKY]

At one point I think this thread was actually about the Pac12 cancelling Nov-Dec basketball, right?
So question - presumably this means USC is backing out of the Legends Classic. In the unlikely event there are early season non-conf events, any thoughts on who might replace them/potential UConn early season marquee matchup?

 

[superjohn]

[/QUOTE]

anecdotally, two of my friends who were among the earliest confirmed Covid cases in CT now have to carry an inhaler and their arms & legs periodically go numb. Which is pretty bad, considering their job often involves them carrying heavy things...and now they've dropped their expensive equipment a number of times. These are people in their 30s.

Are they obese or did they have previous health problems? Anecdotally all I know of is my friend's 91 year old dad who died from it but he only had weeks to live with Alz, my friend thought his 27 year old cousin died early on from it but docs say it was something else. I know a lot of people and that's all I've heard of, same for anyone else I've talked to. Pretty much everyone else I've read about was really old or was in bad health/obese.

 

[tzznandrew]

Are they obese or did they have previous health problems? Anecdotally all I know of is my friend's 91 year old dad who died from it but he only had weeks to live with Alz, my friend thought his 27 year old cousin died early on from it but docs say it was something else. I know a lot of people and that's all I've heard of, same for anyone else I've talked to. Pretty much everyone else I've read about was really old or was in bad health/obese.

Obese, though no other health issues. That's a big issue though, to be fair.

 

[superjohn]

Obese, though no other health issues. That's a big issue though, to be fair.

It's by far the biggest predictor of health outcomes associated with this virus and explains much of the reason why the US has fared so poorly and yet we hear nothing about it from health officials. It drives me a little crazy.

 

[Lynyrd]

There was a great deal of information to absorb (informative but often repetitive; citing same small sample studies). Much of what was written was based on supposition (no definitive causal relationship) and not isolated to COVID-19. For instance many respiratory illnesses involve some form of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) or fibrosis of the lung. These, of course, are not good things and the volume of cases is concerning to say the least; requiring continued research and monitoring. But does it warrant shutting down the country? I would say not but UDOU.

I would typically say ... let’s get back to discussing the OP topic but it’s the PAC12 so WGAS.

Good health to all.

 

[krinklecut]

I’d say that I would be happy to look at that information —- feel free to pass along

 

[Travelman6]

Sports are being played all around the globe. Soccer is on every day now, for quite a long time, at least a month at this point, maybe more. Not absurd to want college ball back in November, two months from now...or even with a delay. If they can do the NBA and MLB, no reason to think they can't find a way for college ball. Not the most outlandish thing. Covid is never going away, if you wait until it is zero we will be cooped up, basically, forever.

 

[krinklecut]

Sports are being played all around the globe. Soccer is on every day now, for quite a long time, at least a month at this point, maybe more. Not absurd to want college ball back in November, two months from now...or even with a delay. If they can do the NBA and MLB, no reason to think they can't find a way for college ball. Not the most outlandish thing. Covid is never going away, if you wait until it is zero we will be cooped up, basically, forever.

We can certainly make sacrifices in the name of finding out all we can about the long term health effects. What's the worst that happens if we cancel sports for a year, versus the worst that can happen if we (continue to) find out that there are long lasting cardiac, pulmonary, and nervous system issues in the infected population and continue to send amateur athletes into unsafe environments for the sake of entertainment?

 

[fatlucy]

Over 1/3 of all Americans are obese.

 

[krinklecut]

Over 1/3 of all Americans are obese.

plus, when you add in things like asthma, hypertension, and smokers, there are very very few Americans with no "pre-existing conditions."

 

[Apollo]

Over 1/3 of all Americans are obese.

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