PAC-12 Chaos

[greenday61892]

You seriously need to examine your takes on UConn. UConn has way more upside than you think.

Give them a break. Fans of non-UConn teams are more likely to have less knowledge of UConn

 

[jostar1]

 

[NH Husky]

Wow. That’s a real shocker.

 

[UConn Dan]

Pac-12 Hotline mailbag: Next steps for Oregon and UW, Arizona’s role, expansion options and more

Jon Wilner's Pac-12 Hotline mailbag discusses the Arizona Wildcats' role following Colorado leaving for the Big 12.

tucson.com

Wow I had no idea that GK tried to start negotiating with the networks at $40mil last fall. They must’ve laughed him out the board room lol

 

[Rufus]

How Oregon and Washington might have fooled George Kliavkoff and the Pac-12

Was @Ducks_Wire playing the “long con” the whole time with Kliavkoff and the #Pac12? Let’s talk. #GoDucks #B1G

trojanswire.usatoday.com

 

[visitingcock]

Grow up and get your facts straight. Our football team needs to have a 9-10 win season to help us overcome our shortcomings.

Wrong. Winning is not that important.

How many 9-10 win seasons has Colorado had lately?

How many 9–10 win seasons did SCar have in its entire history before being invited to the SEC? Only one,

Rutgers? Maryland? Missouri?

It’s about fan support and football facilities for the Big Two conferences. Big 12? Maybe not as much but still important, ( of course 9-10 win seasons could generate more football fan support)

Y’all have to sell your basketball support . I think the Big 12 is willing to consider the prestige of your bb reputation. Football won’t get you there until you sell out your home games regularly.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[CL82]

Wrong. Winning is not that important.

How many 9-10 win seasons has Colorado had lately?

How many 9–10 win seasons did SCar have in its entire history before being invited to the SEC? Only one,

Rutgers? Maryland? Missouri?

It’s about fan support and football facilities for the Big Two conferences. Big 12? Maybe not as much but still important, ( of course 9-10 win seasons could generate more football fan support)

Y’all have to sell your basketball support . I think the Big 12 is willing to consider the prestige of your bb reputation. Football won’t get you there until you sell out your home games regularly.

I'm going to disagree. It's at different things at different times. Miami, BC, Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC was about taking pieces from your competitor. For that round it didn't particularly matter which piece. Thus, there's a plan for the second wave with Syracuse and UConn substituting Pittsburgh was fine. Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was about geography and population. Rutgers was never a world beater, but school was located in the New York DMA which allowed the Big Ten to earn a dollar per household in the country's most desirable marketing area. Plus part of New Jersey having the population density of New Delhi didn't hurt either. Louisville to the ACC was a power-play by FSU and Clemson who were tired of tobacco Road in their basketball centric viewpoint controlling the conference. Initially, again, that was slated to be Connecticut.

What is, potentially, different about this round, is that Yormark is specifically targeting basketball prowess which is clearly Connecticut's strong point, arguably better than anyone else in the nation. Geography matters as well and being located in the greater NYC metroplex is a plus for us.

Who knows what will happen this round, but the notion that there is one specific formula for conference realignment success is a fallacy. Conferences expand as they have need and the need is unique to each conference and each moment in time.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I'm going to disagree. It's at different things at different times. Miami, BC, Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC was about taking pieces from your competitor. For that round it didn't particularly matter which piece. Thus, there's a plan for the second wave with Syracuse and UConn substituting Pittsburgh was fine. Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten was about geography and population. Rutgers was never a world beater, but school was located in the New York DMA which allowed the Big Ten to earn a dollar per household in the country's most desirable marketing area. Plus part of New Jersey having the population density of New Delhi didn't hurt either. Louisville to the ACC was a power-play by FSU and Clemson who were tired of tobacco Road in their basketball centric viewpoint controlling the conference. Initially, again, that was slated to be Connecticut.

What is, potentially, different about this round, is that Yormark is specifically targeting basketball prowess which is clearly Connecticut's strong point, arguably better than anyone else in the nation. Geography matters as well and being located in the greater NYC metroplex is a plus for us.

Who knows what will happen this round, but the notion that there is one specific formula for conference realignment success is a fallacy. Comforters expand as they have needed in the need is unique to each conference and each moment in time.

Nicely framed up!!!

 

[shizzle787]

How Oregon and Washington might have fooled George Kliavkoff and the Pac-12

Was @Ducks_Wire playing the “long con” the whole time with Kliavkoff and the #Pac12? Let’s talk. #GoDucks #B1G

trojanswire.usatoday.com

I have thought of this play: Oregon and Washington slow playing TV negotiations so that the Corner 4 leave and the Big 10 can say they didn't blow up the conference and invite them. The problem with this is what if the Big 10 doesn't invite them? Then they are stuck.

 

[Waquoit]

UConn FB will thrive in a P5 conference.

 

[Bongo Fury]

Big uptick in recruiting and portal.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[billybud]

UConn FB will thrive in a P5 conference.

I have watched WVU in the Big 12. Been watching the Eers for many years (a long story).

In 2007, in the Big East, WVU won 11 and went on to stun Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

The last five seasons in the B12 they have finished between 6th and 9th in conference standings. With Oklahoma off the table, the Eers may move up. They were 1-9 vs the Sooners in conference.

I suspect that UConn's experience may be similar to WVU's...a few break out years interspersed among mid conference years.

 

[Hoophound]

I have watched WVU in the Big 12. Been watching the Eers for many years (a long story).

In 2007, in the Big East, WVU won 11 and went on to stun Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

The last five seasons in the B12 they have finished between 6th and 9th in conference standings. With Oklahoma off the table, the Eers may move up. They were 1-9 vs the Sooners in conference.

I suspect that UConn's experience may be similar to WVU's...a few break out years interspersed among mid conference years.

Yeah, understandable. However, we succeed in everything we do. We were good in football in the Big East years, we’ll be good again in a P5, as long as we have a good coach.

We have some things going for us that people underestimate:

1. Our athletic department is first class, even now, without big money coming in.

2. We are a recognizable brand and football players will quickly latch on to the brand as it picks up steam. They know the name.

3. We have first class facilities.

4. We have a lot of media coverage. We are in ESPN’s backyard. The New York media will be all over us as we start picking off football powers on the field. The region is dying for it.

5. We are very strong academically. That provides a foundation worthy of respect in the public eye. This is not a basketball factory—-even though it is.

You can’t replicate some of these things in West Virginia, Manhattan KS or Waco TX. It just is what it is. UConn sits among 10’s of millions of people in the most densely populated and wealthy region of the country. The potential is unlimited once success in football is back. It will snowball quickly.

 

[Nostical]

I’m keeping with Yormark’s global vision of better monetizing Bball and the Big XII, UConn is actually one of the most prominent International brands. In travels abroad (Turkey, Spain, Israel, Vietnam) kids were seen playing basketball or soccer or simply out and about wearing (among some other American college names) lots of UConn tee shirts. And don’t underestimate the wisdom of branding us as UConn rather than Connecticut. (Thank you Susan Herbst). Its an easy brand to say no matter your mother tongue.

 

[ctchamps]

Yeah, understandable. However, we succeed in everything we do. We were good in football in the Big East years, we’ll be good again in a P5, as long as we have a good coach.

We have some things going for us that people underestimate:

1. Our athletic department is first class, even now, without big money coming in.

2. We are a recognizable brand and football players will quickly latch on to the brand as it picks up steam. They know the name.

3. We have first class facilities.

4. We have a lot of media coverage. We are in ESPN’s backyard. The New York media will be all over us as we start picking off football powers on the field. The region is dying for it.

5. We are very strong academically. That provides a foundation worthy of respect in the public eye. This is not a basketball factory—-even though it is.

You can’t replicate some of these things in West Virginia, Manhattan KS or Waco TX. It just is what it is. UConn sits among 10’s of millions of people in the most densely populated and wealthy region of the country. The potential is unlimited once success in football is back. It will snowball quickly.

Mora is reaching out to schools in the region. That connection is important long term. If UConn can get sustained success in football the region will follow it.

That is a less crazy concept than Georgia having a huge fan base for women’s gymnastics.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Yeah, understandable. However, we succeed in everything we do. We were good in football in the Big East years, we’ll be good again in a P5, as long as we have a good coach.

We have some things going for us that people underestimate:

1. Our athletic department is first class, even now, without big money coming in.

2. We are a recognizable brand and football players will quickly latch on to the brand as it picks up steam. They know the name.

3. We have first class facilities.

4. We have a lot of media coverage. We are in ESPN’s backyard. The New York media will be all over us as we start picking off football powers on the field. The region is dying for it.

5. We are very strong academically. That provides a foundation worthy of respect in the public eye. This is not a basketball factory—-even though it is.

You can’t replicate some of these things in West Virginia, Manhattan KS or Waco TX. It just is what it is. UConn sits among 10’s of millions of people in the most densely populated and wealthy region of the country. The potential is unlimited once success in football is back. It will snowball quickly.

Great post. With the right coach, I truly believe UConn will be the #2 football brand in the Northeast after Penn State. UConn football will get a rabid fanbase, and our upside is much greater than WVU's.

 

[huskymedic]

Assisted access <<

 

[Bongo Fury]

Yeah, understandable. However, we succeed in everything we do. We were good in football in the Big East years, we’ll be good again in a P5, as long as we have a good coach.

We have some things going for us that people underestimate:

1. Our athletic department is first class, even now, without big money coming in.

2. We are a recognizable brand and football players will quickly latch on to the brand as it picks up steam. They know the name.

3. We have first class facilities.

4. We have a lot of media coverage. We are in ESPN’s backyard. The New York media will be all over us as we start picking off football powers on the field. The region is dying for it.

5. We are very strong academically. That provides a foundation worthy of respect in the public eye. This is not a basketball factory—-even though it is.

You can’t replicate some of these things in West Virginia, Manhattan KS or Waco TX. It just is what it is. UConn sits among 10’s of millions of people in the most densely populated and wealthy region of the country. The potential is unlimited once success in football is back. It will snowball quickly.

Also with Mora, whether he is a good coach or okay coach, his players will get attention of the NFL. Being P5 with additional revenue and exposure should raise the level of talent

 

[Kolumbo]

To play sundevil's advocate, maybe Colorado leaving at this juncture benefits the PAC. Colorado was the lowest ranked football program so with 9 members, each program could get a bump. The conference doesn't have much in terms of deadweight, I don't think. The conference will have no problem scheduling because it is the west coasts only show in town. They all seem to want the PAC to survive as a better option than going to the Big 12. At a minimum, it would still be an excellent conference until something else happens down the road. It was #2 behind the SEC last year for RPI.

Stanford, Cal, Washington all have endowments in the multi-billions, they can hold off for a while. Oregon is > $1 billion and has Nike. I suppose at some point the PAC would become the western pod of the B1G with maybe 6 programs but until then...

 

[Rufus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/07/31/college-football-greed-ambition/

 

[jostar1]

 

[jostar1]

 

[JeepCSC]

Was this a planned meeting, or simply an impromptu meeting to say “we got nothing”.