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Jimdish255 said:
But all the high fives and stuff!?!
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If you think your "linear" games are going to be on the "CW" and you suddenly find out that you're back on a real network, albeit at a discounted price, you breathe a sigh of relief and high five everybody in the immediate vicinity.
 
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Let's hope this crazy theory of Colorado jumping to the Big 12, followed by UConn over Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Cal, Utah, Oregon and Washington turns out to be true.
 
XOVERX said:
Best of luck to UConn. We know Yormack values UConn. If UConn gets the invite - and it might happen - hopefully there’s no fooling around thinking about “options”.
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That's the biggest concern. If the rest of the PAC-12 teams panic, who knows what will happen next? We at UCONN have seen and experienced this with the old Big East before, so we are well aware of the process.

It would be for once we can get a stable home, and not have to think about this stuff over and over every year.
 
The only move left for the Pac 12 is to go to the ACC and try to merge with them. This should have been the first move for both the ACC and the Pac 12.

Any other move by the Pac 12, and the rats will abandon ship and take every last spot on the lifeboat.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The only move left for the Pac 12 is to go to the ACC and try to merge with them. This should have been the first move for both the ACC and the Pac 12.

Any other move by the Pac 12, and the rats will abandon ship and take every last spot on the lifeboat.
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Yes, that's probably the best plan left. If there is any real possibility of this, I doubt Colorado would leave right now. In some weird way, this might help stabilize the ACC assuming ESPN is willing to pay the same payout per team for all the PAC schools. In the end, I doubt ESPN will pay the extra money, so it will be a bunch of rats scurrying for new homes.
 
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WestCoastHusky said:
Yes, that's probably the best plan left. If there is any real possibility of this, I doubt Colorado would leave right now. In some weird way, this might help stabilize the ACC assuming ESPN is willing to pay the same payout per team for all the PAC schools. In the end, I doubt ESPN will pay the extra money, so it will be a bunch of rats scurrying for new homes.
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And UConn is in the Big East for a while if that happens.

The ACC is just too myopic to do something that bold. A merger with the Pac 12 would have gotten them out of that terrible ESPN contract, but they couldn't get their act together to do it.

My biggest concern about the Pac 12 imploding is what it will do to the TV rights market just as the Big East is going to start negotiating a new deal.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
And UConn is in the Big East for a while if that happens.

The ACC is just too myopic to do something that bold. A merger with the Pac 12 would have gotten them out of that terrible ESPN contract, but they couldn't get their act together to do it.

My biggest concern about the Pac 12 imploding is what it will do to the TV rights market just as the Big East is going to start negotiating a new deal.
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If the ACC is smart, which they are not, would use this opportunity to blow up the ACC the way it is to get out of the ESPN GOR. The better schools will leave to merge with the better PAC-12 teams to form a new national academic conference. This would be a good opportunity for the ACC to get rid of schools like Wake, BCU, etc.
 
Looking at how this played out, it looks a lot like the ACC raids of the Big East. ESPN's fingerprints are all over this, in one final stupid, self-destructive, conference assassination by the worldwide leader. When the history is written on this era, ESPN will have been the worst thing to happen to college athletics in the first quarter of the 21st century.

5 years from now, when the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL and all the soccer leagues plus much of college sports are streaming directly, ESPN will be able to look back to this kind of behavior when they wonder why they can only charge $2/month to 20,000 users because that is the market for people who will subscribe to stream lumberjack competitions.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Looking at how this played out, it looks a lot like the ACC raids of the Big East. ESPN's fingerprints are all over this, in one final stupid, self-destructive, conference assassination by the worldwide leader. When the history is written on this era, ESPN will have been the worst thing to happen to college athletics in the first quarter of the 21st century.

5 years from now, when the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL and all the soccer leagues plus much of college sports are streaming directly, ESPN will be able to look back to this kind of behavior when they wonder why they can only charge $2/month to 20,000 users because that is the market for people who will subscribe to stream lumberjack competitions.
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As someone who remembers clearly what ESPN did to the Big East, this feels a lot like the Big East raid as well. The Pitt and Syracuse in the middle of the night ESPN operation really killed the Big East right when Big East was negotiating for a media deal. I am guessing PAC-12 is getting media numbers they didn't like, and they were hesitating so ESPN decided to blow this up. In the end, there will be some schools getting totally screwed in the PAC-12 just like UCONN did since the Big East blew up.
 
WestCoastHusky said:
As someone who remembers clearly what ESPN did to the Big East, this feels a lot like the Big East raid as well. The Pitt and Syracuse in the middle of the night ESPN operation really killed the Big East right when Big East was negotiating for a media deal. I am guessing PAC-12 is getting media numbers they didn't like, and they were hesitating so ESPN decided to blow this up. In the end, there will be some schools getting totally screwed in the PAC-12 just like UCONN did since the Big East blew up.
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And like the Big East demolition, ESPN will actually help their rivals more than they help themselves. If the Big 10 adds Washington, Oregon, Cal and Stanford, then Fox/Big 10 will get the west coast for cheap without actually sticking the knife in themselves. ESPN will have gotten Colorado and an Arizona school out of lowballing the PAC 12. Nice work.
 
The ACC is holding a MasterClass in poor conference management. The Pac 12 is dissolving, and as ridiculous as this may have seemed 2 years, or even 2 months, ago, the Big 12 is a survivor. Where are these leagues going to turn next? The ACC. The ACC needs to do 2 things: 1) Expand. There is strength in numbers, as the Pac 12 is learning this morning. and 2) Lock in a core, critical market that they OWN. They will never own Florida or the southeast with the SEC in every southern state the ACC is in but North Carolina and Virginia. The ACC does not own the mid-atlantic with the Big 10 in Maryland, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The ACC can own the northeast, but it needs to make a move on the defending National Champion.

This isn't homerism. This is watching events unfold and reacting. There is a 100% certainty that if the ACC does nothing it will fail as a conference and damage many of its members. It has to act, and UConn is a start.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC is holding a MasterClass in poor conference management. The Pac 12 is dissolving, and as ridiculous as this may have seemed 2 years, or even 2 months, ago, the Big 12 is a survivor. Where are these leagues going to turn next? The ACC. The ACC needs to do 2 things: 1) Expand. There is strength in numbers, as the Pac 12 is learning this morning. and 2) Lock in a core, critical market that they OWN. They will never own Florida or the southeast with the SEC in every southern state the ACC is in but North Carolina and Virginia. The ACC does not own the mid-atlantic with the Big 10 in Maryland, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The ACC can own the northeast, but it needs to make a move on the defending National Champion.

This isn't homerism. This is watching events unfold and reacting. There is a 100% certainty that if the ACC does nothing it will fail as a conference and damage many of its members. It has to act, and UConn is a start.
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I agree with the ACC expanding, but who will pay for it? Will ESPN because they are the only company that can pay more. If they don’t, then the schools will be paid less further pushing FSU, Clemson and UNC to break the GOR.
 
dayooper said:
I agree with the ACC expanding, but who will pay for it? Will ESPN because they are the only company that can pay more. If they don’t, then the schools will be paid less further pushing FSU, Clemson and UNC to break the GOR.
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ESPN is probably in a spending mood right now because the Big 10, which is not an ESPN league, is getting stronger with the Pac 12 collapse, and the Big 10 will be a superpower if it adds Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal.
 
Rufus said:
There is no one the ACC can add that adds enough media value to stop Florida State, Miami, Clemson, etc. from leaving the conference the first chance they get.
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When does this guy get banned for trolling? Seriously, how long do we have to put up with him posting how screwed UConn is? He is laughing at us.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
When does this guy get banned for trolling? Seriously, how long do we have to put up with him posting how screwed UConn is? He is laughing at us.
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He may be laughing. He’s also correct, there’s no realistic amount that ESPN can add to the ACC deal at this time that would keep the ACC’s top schools in the fold past 2036 GIVEN CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES. 2036 is also a very long time so who knows what things will look like by then.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC is holding a MasterClass in poor conference management. The Pac 12 is dissolving, and as ridiculous as this may have seemed 2 years, or even 2 months, ago, the Big 12 is a survivor. Where are these leagues going to turn next? The ACC. The ACC needs to do 2 things: 1) Expand. There is strength in numbers, as the Pac 12 is learning this morning. and 2) Lock in a core, critical market that they OWN. They will never own Florida or the southeast with the SEC in every southern state the ACC is in but North Carolina and Virginia. The ACC does not own the mid-atlantic with the Big 10 in Maryland, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The ACC can own the northeast, but it needs to make a move on the defending National Champion.

This isn't homerism. This is watching events unfold and reacting. There is a 100% certainty that if the ACC does nothing it will fail as a conference and damage many of its members. It has to act, and UConn is a start.
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I think this was the play they missed 10 years ago. Swofford was such a hair helmet, a back-slapping good ol’ boy with a penchant for making obvious deals seem brilliant. They have added a half-dozen properties that have no gravity in big markets + FSU and now have to deal with the ramifications of that. They open the GOR and they lose the few marketable pieces they have, so nobody is going to be added to the ACC that isn’t ND. I think it is awesome that ND is going to kill another conference.
 
The ACC should have added Rutgers, Syracuse, WVU and UCONN and set up a north south division. Play up North versus south, WCW style.
 
ScottVib said:
He may be laughing. He’s also correct, there’s no realistic amount that ESPN can add to the ACC deal at this time that would keep the ACC’s top schools in the fold past 2036 GIVEN CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES. 2036 is also a very long time so who knows what things will look like by then.
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If that is true, then waiting until 2036 is a death sentence to the remaining members. Why not start building the conference now that they want then when Clemson and whoever leaves?

If it isn't true, and I don't think it is, when why not make the conference stronger now so they avoid the inevitable collapse?

I actually think ESPN will approach the ACC in a few years to try to end that contract early. A linear contract like that will not be viable for ESPN in 2030.
 
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