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Pac 12 as we know it: 23-24 Season Outlook

I think Oregon is going to be the bottom feeder of the Pac-12. They are losing to Portland at the half 46-18.
 
MSGRET said:
I think Oregon is going to be the bottom feeder of the Pac-12. They are losing to Portland at the half 46-18.
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Predicted a 12th for my Ducks after Santa Clara. This confirms my thoughts. Not looking forward to traveling to Baylor next. Ouch.
 
What's weird is if you took away the 2 games against WCC teams, you might not suspect there was a problem in Eugene. Game against Grand Canyon closer than expected, but easy wins against Northern Arizona, Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Nevada don't raise the eyebrows.

Wow. 91-60 final. Just wow. UP beat a horrible Seattle U. team by about the same score. Is Oregon really comparable to a bottom half of the WAC team?
 
Floridaduck said:
Predicted a 12th for my Ducks after Santa Clara. This confirms my thoughts. Not looking forward to traveling to Baylor next. Ouch.
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Time for Graves to go. The cries are growing louder and the season has not even started. When you say your team lacks fundamentals in the game afterwards then who is to blame "I have got to start coaching better" Buy him a donut shop and tell him to go away"
 
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Figurehead said:
Time for Graves to go. The cries are growing louder and the season has not even started. When you say your team lacks fundamentals in the game afterwards then who is to blame "I have got to start coaching better" Buy him a donut shop and tell him to go away"
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Was he not saying something similar last season? Rhetorical, but when does he plan on doing so?
 
Had Graves won some good players off the portal, or even won them for next season, this throw away season for Oregon would have been ok.
But the players coming in are extremely underwhelming and will not have an impact in these Pac-12/B1G conference games.
Nowhere near the level you need to be competitive.
If he doesn't land a quality player next year somehow, it will probably be his last year at Oregon.
 
Jorislove said:
Had Graves won some good players off the portal, or even won them for next season, this throw away season for Oregon would have been ok.
But the players coming in are extremely underwhelming and will not have an impact in these Pac-12/B1G conference games.
Nowhere near the level you need to be competitive.
If he doesn't land a quality player next year somehow, it will probably be his last year at Oregon.
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Graves needs to be gone at the end of this debacle of a season regardless of who he MIGHT LAND in the next recruiting class. Lack of talent is not the problem.

In the wake of his 2019-2020 super team he recruited a 2020 superclass of the number 8, 11, 17, 19 and 22. They are in their senior season now. In 2021 he had number 29. In 2022 he got numbers 17, 13 and 36. In 23 he added numbers 26 and 42.

That’s 11 top 50 players , seven of whom are top 25s! That’s almost comparable to SCar’s present 11 player roster.

The problem ain’t recruiting and recruiting shouldn’t save his job.
 
Well, he will get some grace for landing Sabrina and that super squad before COVID.
And it's not like he's had a losing season since that team.
Unfortunately for him the trajectory is tragic right now. He really let bullies like Sedona P ruin his team. Everyone that left has flat out been mocked the program since and has enjoyed stomping them in games. Embarrassing really.

He needs to thank his prayers that some of those top 25s are enjoying their time in eugene outside of basketball. Because if they start leaving too, he might as well forfeit the season.
 
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LoTrader said:
I really think the PAC-12 is going to be a fantastic league this season. I believe PAC-12 will have a Final 4 representative. Re: OSU, I haven't been this excited for OSU WBB since the season with Pivec, Tudor, Goodman, Gulich, etc. Beers is a monster, and continues to improve. Timea Gardiner is at full strength, and going to a problem for every defense. Our guard play is going to be much improved both offensively and defensively. OSU is very long and athletic at the guard position. And let's not forget TvO, who is now also at full strength. I am anticipating a team that is going to push the ball far more frequently after a defensive rebound because team speed is much improved. You will also see a freshmen on this team who will impress (meaning make the PAC-12 freshman WBB Team).
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Re: " You will also see a freshmen on this team who will impress (meaning make the PAC-12 freshman WBB Team)." https://x.com/_ashtynne/status/1731735248499843283?s=20
 
Jorislove said:
Well, he will get some grace for landing Sabrina and that super squad before COVID.
And it's not like he's had a losing season since that team.
Unfortunately for him the trajectory is tragic right now. He really let bullies like Sedona P ruin his team. Everyone that left has flat out been mocked the program since and has enjoyed stomping them in games. Embarrassing really.

He needs to thank his prayers that some of those top 25s are enjoying their time in eugene outside of basketball. Because if they start leaving too, he might as well forfeit the season.
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Graves is the toxic coach on the team. Just waiting things out to retirement. Has a caustic attitude that gets him no where.
 
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Figurehead said:
Graves is the toxic coach on the team. Just waiting things out to retirement. Has a caustic attitude that gets him no where.
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Not sure where you get this toxic stuff. Every interview I have seen (dozens) Graves has been affable and positive.
As a team the Ducks definitely have some growing pains. But playing Gray, Bell, VanSlooten, Rambus, and Kyei/Basham at #5 there have been signs of cohesion. The toughness and leadership is still absent and will have to develop on the floor organically. It may or may not. I do expect the next 6 oc games to be wins.
That would put them at 10-3 going into conference where they would need to win 6 (of 18) to finish over .500. Likely the high water mark this year.
 
jdote33 said:
Love that Alissa Pili dropped 31 tonight. I hope she's super aggressive the rest of the year and stays out of foul trouble
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Just hoping she is off her game Sunday against SCar.

Should be interesting to see how she matches up with Cardosa and our forwards. Both teams are facing ( probably) their last challenge of their pre-conference schedules. NET # 1 vs NET #4

Not that the conference needs it but a Utah win would solidify the PAC as the clear number 1 conference this year.

I know Kneepkins is out. Palmer was having some physical issues. Is she expected to play Sunday?
 
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Honestly, a loss wouldn't be the worst thing for this SCar team.

It's coming a little easy and the team seems a little too loose in comparison to past years.
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
Honestly, a loss wouldn't be the worst thing for this SCar team.

It's coming a little easy and the team seems a little too loose in comparison to past years.
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Do you think it may have something to do with leadership? The team had the likes of Boston, Cooke, Beal and Amihere to look to. Could it be a matter of shoes that have yet to be filled in that aspect?
 
cancontent said:
Do you think it may have something to do with leadership? The team had the likes of Boston, Cooke, Beal and Amihere to look to. Could it be a matter of shoes that have yet to be filled in that aspect?
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Well, the leaders of this team are(1) redshirt sophomore Raven Johnson and (2) senior former backup center Kamilla Cordoso. Neither were full time stater last year. Bree Hall is a junior who is starting for the first time this year but has significant experience as backup to Beale. Poa Poa is experienced but new to the program

Raven is the leader with a half year’s starting experience. All the new players and Dawn look to her for leadership. Although Fulwiley slips out of the system sometimes, Raven seems to keep them from drifting too far.

A regular season loss or two should never hurt any team.
 
I caught the tail end of the Gonzaga-Cal game last night on the Pac-12 Network (which I wasn't sure still existed).

It was quite ironic and eerie that immediately after the game, the network showed a program that was nothing but rah-rah braggadocio about how great the "conference of champions" is, has always been, and will continue to be (gulp) in the future ...

The program seemed to be two or three years old, so it felt a bit like watching clips of Enron executives living the high life just before the company imploded.
 
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Figurehead said:
Time for Graves to go. The cries are growing louder and the season has not even started. When you say your team lacks fundamentals in the game afterwards then who is to blame "I have got to start coaching better" Buy him a donut shop and tell him to go away"
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Graves parlayed his 2019-2020 (Sabrina, Satou, Ruthie, Erin Boley, Minyon Moore, et al) team's
30-2 record` into a contract extension to 2028-2029. Seems quite unlikely that Oregon will want to pay that obligation for 5 years. Getting Mark Campbell back a couple of years down the road may be doable after a negotiated settlement with Graves though. Just hope this season doesn't discourage the current Frosh and Sophs into the Portal and/or kill recruiting.
 
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Floridaduck said:
Grave parlayed his 2019-2020 (Sabrina, Satou, Ruthie, Erin Boley, Minyon Moore, et al) team's
30-2 record` into a contract extension to 2028-2029. Seems quite unlikely that Oregon will want to pay that obligation for 5 years. Getting Mark Campbell back a couple of years down the road may be doable after a negotiated settlement with Graves though. Just hope this season doesn't discourage the current Frosh and Sophs into the Portal and/or kill recruiting.
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If he has another season or two like the past few, I could see Oregon pulling a Minnie/Lindsay Whalen and relocating him to a senior athletic department position as a graceful exit. (Though if memory serves, Whalen ultimately departed soon thereafter.) Graves is not young and I think he's got a great personality and could probably do at least as much good training and mentoring student-athletes in a less hands-on way.

Now time for the probing question: would Campbell want leave TCU for Oregon if he can recruit frosh as well as he has transfers from the portal? Does he have PNW ties? If the Pac-12 hadn't blown up, I could make the case that Oregon is a clear step up from TCU. But at this point, I'm not sure I'd gamble on trying to man a new roster from scratch until Oregon has settled into its new conference for a few years and ironed out the inevitable playing/travel/budgetary bumps.
 
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TheFarmFan said:
Now time for the probing question: would Campbell want leave TCU for Oregon if he can recruit frosh as well as he has transfers from the portal?
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Very hard to turn down the BiG. Especially vs a private B12 school.
 
Plebe said:
I caught the tail end of the Gonzaga-Cal game last night on the Pac-12 Network (which I wasn't sure still existed).

It was quite ironic and eerie that immediately after the game, the network showed a program that was nothing but rah-rah braggadocio about how great the "conference of champions" is, has always been, and will continue to be (gulp) in the future ...

The program seemed to be two or three years old, so it felt a bit like watching clips of Enron executives living the high life just before the company. imploded.
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Well the Network failure was a huge contributor to the collapse of the conference. Executives living the highlife? Have there been any recent disclosures about the missing millions of payments? Are the departing schools just dropping the issue? Are the cougar/beavers gonna let it drop? Any state law enforcement investigations ongoing?

Update us here in the non-West
 
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You know what they say, where there’s smoke, there’s fire
 
visitingcock said:
Well the Network failure was a huge contributor to the collapse of the conference. Executives living the highlife? Have there been any recent disclosures about the missing millions of payments? Are the departing schools just dropping the issue? Are the cougar/beavers gonna let it drop? Any state law enforcement investigations ongoing?

Update us here in the non-West
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OK you lost me? Missing payments? The PAC owes Comcast millions for overpayments, and this issue is part of the background to the Cougars and Beavers not allowing distribution of revenue to the schools, because they want funds in the coffers for the conference's liabilities which are the Comcast mess and possible legal penalties in the upcoming NCAA / players cases.
 
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