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If Calhoun says Ollie is the guy, then I'm fine with it. I think Coach has done enough to merit our trust as a fanbase.
 
champs99and04 said:
It seems like people are looking for a reason not to like Brad Stevens. The man took a group of 2 and 3 star recruits to the NCAA Championship two straight years. He's like seventeen years old and has spoken highly of UConn's program before. I think his first option would be to build Butler into a powerhouse, but if it looks like that's not going to happen over the next two years I think he'll pounce on the first big time job that becomes available, and all the other elite programs seem set for now.

Also, why are people under the impression that Stevens will not be able to recruit? Obviously it's going to be a lot easier to recruit at a school like UConn than at Butler, assuming we don't get left out of the whole musical chairs thing, and even then, schools like Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette have been able to maintain success in the Big East without the benefit of a football program.

If you think Stevens plays boring basketball, then I guess you just don't like watching selfless players who can move the ball, use screens, and hit open shots (i.e. the opposite of our current offense). And keep in mind, Stevens has been able to accomplish this with a very limitd recruiting class. Just imagine what he could accomplish with players like Oriakhi, Drummond, Kemba, Gordon, Okafor, Lamb, Napier, etc. I really believe we could be talking about the next Coach K here. But hey, anybody who plays in the NBA for 15 years can make an excellent college coach. In fact, I can't think of a single successful coach in today's game that DIDN't play in the NBA. Oh wait, I just named ten off the top of my head. ****.
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My issue with Stevens is that he isn't a Northeast guy. Now, don't get me wrong, maybe it doesn't matter for him (I don't know the man), but he seems like he would jump at Kansas or Indiana in a heartbeat, even from a program like UConn or Syracuse or even Duke/UNC. That's just the impression I get from him.

Hurley is a NE guy and I don't think there is a better program in the country that he would necessarily leave for (and be asked). UNC likes to stay in family, IU/KU/UK and UCLA all seem outside the box for a coach like Hurley. Syracuse has their next coach. Duke could make sense, but moreso for Bobby than Danny, assuming K stays around long enough for Bobby to get experience. I wouldn't be shocked to see Bobby head coach somewhere in the near future.

Miller would be a good replacement, and of course someone to call, but I'm not sure he leaves UofA for UConn. It's a pretty good program, he has two great classes there and he gets paid top dollar there. The only thing going for UConn is it's a NE school and he is from the east coast. UConn may be a marginally better program (I mean UofA is solid).

Amaker would be interesting, though this situation mirrors Michigans, which wasn't really a great idea for Amaker.
 
Miller almost left 'Zona to go to Maryland last year. UConn and are Zona are better jobs than Maryland, he is from the east coast, played at Pitt, was an assistant at Pitt, his wife is from the east coast.

JC is a BIG supporter of Sean and will support him to the administration.

If Uconn came calling he will listen. It would more or less be a lateral move school wise, but now he has a chance to be back closer to home and coach in the conference he played in.

Also, he is not afraid to take over for a legend considering he took over for Olsen.
 
i dont think sean miller would come to uconn. Nor do i think he is the right fit. A name i wasnt thinking of that was brought up here was Frank Martin, if he does have Northeast ties i'd think he would be a good candidate. Other candidates mentioned like Hurley, Stevens, and Smart all deserve looks atleast. As long as the program isnt handed over to ollie without a search im fine with it. As long as the university goes through a comprehensive search for a new hc when calhoun calls it quits, i am sure the right person will be selected.
 
Excalibur said:
For every Jamie Dixon there's a ton of Brian Mahoneys, Bill Guthridges, Craig Eshericks and Mike Davises.
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Agreed, although Gutheridge went tow 2 final Fours in his 3 years I think. he was really a transitional guy who never planned to be there long term. And for what its worth, every one of those guys had more experience as a coach than Ollie.

As far as Ollie's NBA experieince, its nice but it absolutley does not make you qualified to be a head coach at a major porgram. There is a huge difference between being a player with limited responsibilites and being the head coach. A backup point guard can say whatever he wants to the local reporter, who will likely clean it up. the Head Coach at UCONN is going to be on the radio, tv, appear before the various alumni groups, help with fundraising, so he better be a good speaker, organize a coaching staff, develop game strategies, oversee the recruiting, so he better be well organized, a great judge of coaches and player talent, know how to delegate. An NBA point guard has to know when to pass and when to shoot...
 
HeGotGame said:
Miller almost left 'Zona to go to Maryland last year. UConn and are Zona are better jobs than Maryland, he is from the east coast, played at Pitt, was an assistant at Pitt, his wife is from the east coast.

JC is a BIG supporter of Sean and will support him to the administration.

If Uconn came calling he will listen. It would more or less be a lateral move school wise, but now he has a chance to be back closer to home and coach in the conference he played in.

Also, he is not afraid to take over for a legend considering he took over for Olsen.
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I know I will catch heat for this but I don't agree with the statement that UConn right now is a better job than Maryland. Obviously we've won more than them in the past 20 years, but its not like their FSU, they've had success and won a title during that span, and they had a good history prior to Williams. Plus they're located in arguably the best recruiting area in the country, you put the right coach in there(Miller for instance) and you can have a top 10 recruiting class every year just locking down DMV & BMore. The amount of talent that Gary Williams get out there because he couldn't be bothered with it is staggering. Then when you factor in them being in a stable conference situation I would give them the edge as a better job.
 
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Brochacho said:
Just throwing his name out there, and I know I'll catch a lot of flack, but how about Rick Barnes? Not the greatest coach, but has had Texas in the NCAAs 12 consecutive years and took them to the final four and then lost in the elite eight twice. Gets some talented players as well, and you'll have to win the big one eventually if you consistently have the talent he has. Not as much potential as some other coaches in my opinion, but he would probably be one of our safest choices for the program's future.
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Sure lets get the complete opposite of Calhoun; a guy that gets as much talent as any coach in America, yet never does anything at all with it.
 
Let me say this: No matter who we get, it will be a downgrade from Jim Calhoun, since JC is the greatest basketball coach in CBB history.
 
Something that people ought to keep in mind is that the decision will be made by two people who really have no ties to Calhoun. Neither Susan Herbst nor the new AD have any allegiance to him, and while I'm sure they will get his input, neither one owes him anything and both have their own agendas. In fact one could argue that in some ways, he has been nothing but a problem for both since they have been there...So they could well be looking for a new direction for UCONN basketball. that would leave Ollie off the list for certain.
 
freescooter said:
Um, he's 23-6 this year and probably getting another bid. And his team went to the Final Four last year,not the Sweet 16. And beat the #1 seed along the way. Not exactly the same as losing in the Sweet 16 in my book. If he makes another decent run this year, and the Final Four would be asking quite a lot for a CAA team under any circumstances, I think he has to get a look by better teams. You might question a 1st round loss, but depending on who, you might not. As far as Larranaga goes, he went tow 2 more NCAA tournaments with Mason, which is in my mind a decent accomplishment in a 2-3 bid league. last year they won their opening round game against Villanova. and he has Miami at least in contention to make a run. the loss to Maryland hurt, but they could finish with a record similar to ours in his first year.
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His team this year is 23-6 at Miami with someone else's players. I never said he was an awful coach or that Smart would be a bad hire, Im just surprised by how many people automatically turn to Smart, when in reality he made one nice run (with another coaches players). Doesnt take away from it, but I'd like to see some consistency from him.
 
Not sure how much Miller wanting to be in a power conference argument when you stack up the Pac Ten and the Big East. Pac Ten is down, sure. They have no direction to go but up. The Big East losing Cuse, WV, Pitt and soon to be Louisville, loses a good chunk of it's brank/marketability/legacy. Cuse/Pitt/Ville are top tier programs along with Uconn, WV next step down.
 
HuskyFan32 said:
His team this year is 23-6 at Miami with someone else's players. I never said he was an awful coach or that Smart would be a bad hire, Im just surprised by how many people automatically turn to Smart, when in reality he made one nice run (with another coaches players). Doesnt take away from it, but I'd like to see some consistency from him.
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He went to the Final four from a mid-major conference with a team that had never gone beyond the 2nd round and now has them 23-6 and on the verge of another NCAA bid. What do you want for consistency? they have a better shot at the NCAA tounament this year than we do for heaven sakes. His records over his 3 years are 27-9, 28-12 (final four), 23-6 so far this year. All he does is consitently win.
 
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freescooter said:
He went to the Final four from a mid-major conference with a team that had never gone beyond the 2nd round and now has them 23-6 and on the verge of another NCAA bid. What do you want for consistency? they have a better shot at the NCAA tounament this year than we do for heaven sakes. His records over his 3 years are 27-9, 28-12 (final four), 23-6 so far this year. All he does is consitently win.
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I like Shaka Smart, but the bolded sentence above is not true.
 
freescooter said:
Agreed, although Gutheridge went tow 2 final Fours in his 3 years I think. he was really a transitional guy who never planned to be there long term. And for what its worth, every one of those guys had more experience as a coach than Ollie.

As far as Ollie's NBA experieince, its nice but it absolutley does not make you qualified to be a head coach at a major porgram. There is a huge difference between being a player with limited responsibilites and being the head coach. A backup point guard can say whatever he wants to the local reporter, who will likely clean it up. the Head Coach at UCONN is going to be on the radio, tv, appear before the various alumni groups, help with fundraising, so he better be a good speaker, organize a coaching staff, develop game strategies, oversee the recruiting, so he better be well organized, a great judge of coaches and player talent, know how to delegate. An NBA point guard has to know when to pass and when to shoot...
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I include Guttheridge because he left them so devoid of talent it was painful to watch. I'm just not a fan of promoting assistants, particularly those with little experience.
 
Excalibur said:
I include Guttheridge because he left them so devoid of talent it was painful to watch. I'm just not a fan of promoting assistants, particularly those with little experience.
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Fair enough. I agree on promoting assistants. It rarely works out long term. Adn if it works short term is makes it all the more difficult to make the necessary change down th line. See Indiana for example.
 
Frank Martin's one of the only humans alive that has a better chance of spontaneous combustion at a basketball game than i have. Cross him off now :)
 
cytolliver said:
i dont think sean miller would come to uconn. Nor do i think he is the right fit. A name i wasnt thinking of that was brought up here was Frank Martin, if he does have Northeast ties i'd think he would be a good candidate. Other candidates mentioned like Hurley, Stevens, and Smart all deserve looks atleast. As long as the program isnt handed over to ollie without a search im fine with it. As long as the university goes through a comprehensive search for a new hc when calhoun calls it quits, i am sure the right person will be selected.
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would you care to back up your opinions with any reasoning, or are you just going to subject us to them with nothing to back them up?
 
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Ollie has done little to improve the guard play and as a matter of fact it has deterioated. He looks good in a suit.
 
ford82 said:
I like Kevin Ollie alot, being an NBA point guard is a benefit, but it is not a better internship than being a head coach at the college level.
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Scott Skiles and Mark Jackson disagree.
 
CTFIRERETIRED said:
The Hurley theory is intriguing. I am not sure that Hurley really wants to be coming here. Uconn never really had much success with recruiting St. Anthony kids. Some said that there was bad blood between JC and Daddy Hurley. This is speculation that's all.Found this story this morning on Yahoo sports. Another intriguing spin.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...blem-a-coach-who-needs-to-retire-but-wont/rss
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That's from CBS and there is already a thread dedicated to that awful hackjob. Don't give Doyel any more views, the man is a moron.
 
hegotgame,
the CAA got 3 bids last year and all went past the first round. They had as many teams in the Sweet 16 as the Big East. Given that VCU went to the Final Four last year, and given that this is another year where the field is not all that deep, I think they have a pretty good chance of a bid unless they lose in an early round of the CAA. UCONN on the other hand, needs to win 2 of the next 3. Syracuse blew them out of the building a few days ago, so that one is no gimme. PC is always a tough game. Its their NCAA tournament since they ain't getting to the real one.
 
freescooter said:
hegotgame,
the CAA got 3 bids last year and all went past the first round. They had as many teams in the Sweet 16 as the Big East. Given that VCU went to the Final Four last year, and given that this is another year where the field is not all that deep, I think they have a pretty good chance of a bid unless they lose in an early round of the CAA. UCONN on the other hand, needs to win 2 of the next 3. Syracuse blew them out of the building a few days ago, so that one is no gimme. PC is always a tough game. Its their NCAA tournament since they ain't getting to the real one.
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??? So, because the CAA got 3 bids last year and VCU went to the final four, they will get in this year.

Your statement makes 0 sense. Less than 0 actually. Past performance has 0 say on who gets in this year, if it did UConn would be a lock. Odd you used that logic for VCU and not UConn.

Did you look at the link? Not one bracket has them in as an at-large. They did nothing in the non-conference other than lose to Bama, GT and Seton Hall.
 
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HeGotGame said:
??? So, because the CAA got 3 bids last year and VCU went to the final four, they will get in this year.

Your statement makes 0 sense. Less than 0 actually. Past performance has 0 say on who gets in this year, if it did UConn would be a lock. Odd you used that logic for VCU and not UConn.

Did you look at the link? Not one bracket has them in as an at-large. They did nothing in the non-conference other than lose to Bama, GT and Seton Hall.
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Noone had them last year either. And they have right now 23 wins. Look if they lose in the first round of the CAA tourney, they have no shot. but if they end up with a CAA finals loss, with 27 wins or so, I think they are in. UCONN needs to win at least 2 of the next 3, one of which they'll be big underdogs and the other two against teams that give them problems all the time...PC has given us trouble for years. Doesn't mean they always beat us, but those are usually tough games. Pitt isn't having a great year, but newsflash, neither are we. UCONN hasn't won 2 in a row since January 9 and 14. Otherwise UConn will need to make a deep run in the big East Tournament. Do you like our odds of that?
 
freescooter said:
Noone had them last year either. And they have right now 23 wins. Look if they lose in the first round of the CAA tourney, they have no shot. but if they end up with a CAA finals loss, with 27 wins or so, I think they are in. UCONN needs to win at least 2 of the next 3, one of which they'll be big underdogs and the other two against teams that give them problems all the time...PC has given us trouble for years. Doesn't mean they always beat us, but those are usually tough games. Pitt isn't having a great year, but newsflash, neither are we. UCONN hasn't won 2 in a row since January 9 and 14. Otherwise UConn will need to make a deep run in the big East Tournament. Do you like our odds of that?
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Depends on what you mean by "deep run". If UConn loses 2 or 3 of the final three, they can win the first game of the BET and probably a second a third would be tough, but possible depending on matchups.
 
caw said:
My issue with Stevens is that he isn't a Northeast guy. Now, don't get me wrong, maybe it doesn't matter for him (I don't know the man), but he seems like he would jump at Kansas or Indiana in a heartbeat, even from a program like UConn or Syracuse or even Duke/UNC. That's just the impression I get from him.

Hurley is a NE guy and I don't think there is a better program in the country that he would necessarily leave for (and be asked). UNC likes to stay in family, IU/KU/UK and UCLA all seem outside the box for a coach like Hurley. Syracuse has their next coach. Duke could make sense, but moreso for Bobby than Danny, assuming K stays around long enough for Bobby to get experience. I wouldn't be shocked to see Bobby head coach somewhere in the near future.

Miller would be a good replacement, and of course someone to call, but I'm not sure he leaves UofA for UConn. It's a pretty good program, he has two great classes there and he gets paid top dollar there. The only thing going for UConn is it's a NE school and he is from the east coast. UConn may be a marginally better program (I mean UofA is solid).

Amaker would be interesting, though this situation mirrors Michigans, which wasn't really a great idea for Amaker.
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Stevens is no doubt a mid-west guy by heart, and I think he would jump at the Indiana job given the chance. However, he does strike me as a loyal guy who isn't going to be flying across the country for job interviews all the time. Give him the resources and I think he'll build a power program into a powerhouse, and if that happens, I don't think he'll have any reason to leave.

There aren't necessarily any problems with the guys you listed, it's just that Stevens is more of a sure thing IMO. Miller would be a great recruiter but probably isn't on the same level as a guy like Stevens as far as in game coaching goes. He isn't a bad option, and I would be happy to get him, but I don't see him as having much incentive if at all to leave Arizona.

Hurley has a lot of promise, but he has yet to experience a high level success at any program, nevermind one like UConn. We don't know whether he can recruit, and plus, nobody wants a Hurley coaching UConn, regardless of what part of the country he's from.
 
bobbygt said:
I think uconn should stay in the family. They can always make another choice down the road.

Calhoun and Ray Ray support Ollie. I think it's best to defer to these two gents.

Having a Hurley as the coach of uconn is gross and disgusting, and much, much worse.
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The problem with staying in the family is that the "son" is never as good as the "father". You can't replicate what Calhoun did. It's better to make a good hire like UCONN did with our new AD.
 
You can't just say "abc coach would/wouldn't come here". The candidates have questions and make demands. If UConn can give them what they want, they will come because tradition, facilities (new facility) and recruiting territory won't be an issue.

If Sean Miller considers coming to UConn but requires $3,000,000 per to do it (I think he makes 2 mill now), the ball is in Sue's court. If UConn decides they need to protect the golden goose, they will do what is necessary to protect it. I would argue that the prestige of the UConn program will be better defined by who follows JC, than JC himself. If UConn can lure a top coach and pay him big, it is a reflection on the university's commitment to winning as a whole. In the age of expansion I would be looking to make a very strong hire.

I love KO but I am very torn as to whether he should get the job. I have a feeling he would recruit very well, which is half the battle. His ability to motivate players and surround himself with basketball minds that will help him succeed in all other areas are my concerns.
 
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