OT- Usain Bolt

[superjohn]

Amazing, this guy is such a showman and always delivers, pretty cool watching greatness.

 

[ThatUconnFan]

He's a beast! One of the most dominant olympians of all time and the best sprinter ever.

 

[superjohn]

I consider him the best ever, the guy is magic, the buzz surrounding him is electric and he always delivers the goods. Track and Field rules the Olympics and the sport has never seen anything like Bolt before.

 

[junglehusky]

While were talking OT, if you are an aficionado of the female... uh, posterior, you might want to check out the women's vball match featuring Brazil.

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[superjohn]

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Fishy]

In the age of internet , watching women's volleyball to ogle wedgies seems precious.

Just google "Brazilian beach wedgies" and get on with your lives.

 

[dapriest]

While fishy raises a good point, I have to point out that, if you are a posterior man, you're much better off watching the muscular-reared sprinters than the skinny volleyball players:
Gentlemen - please welcome to the (Olympic) stage, Alenka Bikar:

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[dapriest]

How many times did you watch the Gif cycle?

 

[Waquoit]

This was a top-notch Olympics. Bolt was awesome in the 4x100 relay. That might have been his best race.

 

[dapriest]

It was fun watching the Bolt, but Carl Lewis' point will always be out there - Bolt's country allows athletes to go months at a time without any sort of drug test. It would be simple enough to work your doping schedule around the known tests. If Bonds/Clemens/Cyclists/Canadian Sprinter have taught us anything, they have taught us that many top athletes have no hesitation to dope if they think they can do it without getting caught.

Option 1 to explain Jamaican success - flimsy gene pool arguments.
Option 2 - they intentionally allow their athletes to go months at a time without being tested, thereby ignoring the obvious possibility that their sprinters are doping.

I'm thinking option 2. They can easily remove all doubt by simply introducing random drug testing, like the U.S.. If it wasn't required, why would the U.S. do it?

Clemens, Bonds, Johnson, Landry, these guys were all heroes and beloved until it was found out that they were cheaters. I'm sure that folks were arguing that what they did was completely plausible. Just like the Jamaican 1-2-3 finish in the 200m.

Ask the Victor Conte, convicted owner of BALCO.
He said earlier this week that 60 percent of athletes at the Games were on drugs.

Jamaicans are 1-2-3 in 200, 1-2 in 100, win the relay, women are 1-3 in the 100m. Come on. Stop with the genetics.

Athletics are like magicians - everybody wants so badly to believe that what they're seeing is real that they throw away common sense to reach the conclusion that they want. Bolt was awesome to watch. So was Clemens. Bolt is likely a doper.

 

[EricLA]

I don't necessarily disagree, dapriest, but as of now there's no proof. Everyone was totally caught up in the McGuire/Sosa home run battle years back till the doping facts came out. Getting back to the "genetics", what about the Kenyan's and Ethiopian's who routinely win the long distance events? I do think Bolt is a bit of a jerk, but you can't take away the fact that the guy is a freak of nature...

 

[johnhuskies95]

It was fun watching the Bolt, but Carl Lewis' point will always be out there - Bolt's country allows athletes to go months at a time without any sort of drug test. It would be simple enough to work your doping schedule around the known tests. If Bonds/Clemens/Cyclists/Canadian Sprinter have taught us anything, they have taught us that many top athletes have no hesitation to dope if they think they can do it without getting caught.

Option 1 to explain Jamaican success - flimsy gene pool arguments.
Option 2 - they intentionally allow their athletes to go months at a time without being tested, thereby ignoring the obvious possibility that their sprinters are doping.

I'm thinking option 2. They can easily remove all doubt by simply introducing random drug testing, like the U.S.. If it wasn't required, why would the U.S. do it?

Clemens, Bonds, Johnson, Landry, these guys were all heroes and beloved until it was found out that they were cheaters. I'm sure that folks were arguing that what they did was completely plausible. Just like the Jamaican 1-2-3 finish in the 200m.

Ask the Victor Conte, convicted owner of BALCO.
He said earlier this week that 60 percent of athletes at the Games were on drugs.

Jamaicans are 1-2-3 in 200, 1-2 in 100, win the relay, women are 1-3 in the 100m. Come on. Stop with the genetics.

Athletics are like magicians - everybody wants so badly to believe that what they're seeing is real that they throw away common sense to reach the conclusion that they want. Bolt was awesome to watch. So was Clemens. Bolt is likely a doper.

It takes Bolt 41 steps to complete the 100 and it takes everyone else 44 steps. It's physics.

Now, it is a bit odd how he got so good so fast, but he rotates his legs as fast as the other guys, and he doesn't need to take as many steps to do it.

 

[Kitaman]

I hope we don't imply that Bolt's performances were unnatural. He is a one in a lifetime track star, I don't even think he needs drugs. Track is the only part of the Olympics I really enjoy. Whatever one may think he is the best ever.

 

[superjohn]

Carl Lewis is a clown and should keep his mouth shut. Carl Lewis was a great track star at one time but the fact is he failed 3 drug tests and while Ben Johnson rightly had his gold medal taken away, it's wrong that it was given to Lewis. Many Olympians have been drugging for years and still are but to make allegations with zero proof is ridiculous especially coming from a cheater like Carl.

 

[Waquoit]

Even Doyle Lonnegan knew it's poor form to call someone for cheating better than you.

 

[CL82]

No idea if the Jamaicans dope but Bolt is sure as heck impressive to watch. He also won my respect when he stopped mid-interview while the Star Spangled Banner was being played. Just having respect for another athlete's moment made me think of him in a different light.

 

[Adios]

In the age of internet , watching women's volleyball to ogle wedgies seems precious.

Just google "Brazilian beach wedgies" and get on with your lives.

The first result I got was this thread.

 

[Kitaman]

No idea if the Jamaicans dope but Bolt is sure as heck impressive to watch. He also won my respect when he stopped mid-interview while the Star Spangled Banner was being played. Just having respect for another athlete's moment made me think of him in a different light.

Yes and he is only in his mid-20s. Very mature move in spite of his antics, which by the way are cleverly done. He knows what he's doing during the race and after the race. He's the Muhammad Ali of track.

 

[Adios]

As for doping goes, c'mon, we're in a new era of biotechnology. You can't expect people to NOT use such tools to strengthen their bodies. The way humans are, it's pretty much natural to use whatever possible to gain the upper hand. Gotta love those East German females.

 

[M_Funkhauser43!]

I don't necessarily disagree, dapriest, but as of now there's no proof. Everyone was totally caught up in the McGuire/Sosa home run battle years back till the doping facts came out. Getting back to the "genetics", what about the Kenyan's and Ethiopian's who routinely win the long distance events? I do think Bolt is a bit of a jerk, but you can't take away the fact that the guy is a freak of nature...

According to this article from Slate, Kenyans' running proficiency is a mixture of year-round training at high-altitude, culture, and possibly genetics.

 

[superjohn]

One of those East German females became a man because her body chemistry changed so much from unknowingly being doped, she wound up getting a sex change. As for Bolt not sure why some people don't like him, he's the greatest show the Olympics have had in years. He is a good guy and there are few athletes I've ever seen that generate the buzz he does.

 

[uconnfan68]

How many times did you watch the Gif cycle?

I thought she walked a long way in that 20 minutes.

 

[uconnfan68]

Amazing, this guy is such a showman and always delivers, pretty cool watching greatness.

The only knock I have is that he didn't finish all of his finals races before showboating. I can understand pulling back a little in qualifiers, but I felt a little cheated with no WR in the 100 or 200.

 

[dapriest]

I don't necessarily disagree, dapriest, but as of now there's no proof. Everyone was totally caught up in the McGuire/Sosa home run battle years back till the doping facts came out. Getting back to the "genetics", what about the Kenyan's and Ethiopian's who routinely win the long distance events? I do think Bolt is a bit of a jerk, but you can't take away the fact that the guy is a freak of nature...

Good point, and good counter point. There is zero doubt the Kenyan's have the best genetic for marathons. The reason that I don't buy the Jamaican gene theory is because Jamaicans come from the same stock of West African blacks from which most American blacks do. In other words, the slavers took West African blacks. The new world was populated with that stock. If you look at the last 100 greatest sprinters, they all have west african genetics, including Carl Lewis and Jesse Owens. Jamaica didn't get special west africans, they got west africans, and there has been substantial migration into and out of jamaica in any event, unlike Kenya, where most Kenyans still live.
But good counter point sir, and, yes, you are right, we can never know. If Jamaica had U.S.-type testing, on the other hand, which wouldn't cost much and is their option, then all doubt would be removed.

 

[dapriest]

It takes Bolt 41 steps to complete the 100 and it takes everyone else 44 steps. It's physics.

Now, it is a bit odd how he got so good so fast, but he rotates his legs as fast as the other guys, and he doesn't need to take as many steps to do it.

The 41 steps thing and the physics thing is dumb. Giraffes take fewer steps to run the 100 meter and any leopard, gazelle, or cheetah will blow their doors off.
Further, Hasheem thabeet takes fewer steps and he's not outrunning The Boatshow.

Point is, the 41 steps is hype, not reality. But it does sound good.