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OT - The mess at Houston

huskymedic said:
For some comparison - here what each AAC schools (minus Navy) reported for football expenses in 2016 in the mandatory Equity in Athletics Database (2016 is latest year available on line.
  1. Temple - $20,624,125.00
  2. UConn - $20,454,919.00* (see note below regarding Diaco staff term cost of $4,011,343 from data)
  3. SMU - $17,637,584.00
  4. UCF - $17,064,586.00
  5. Cincinnati - $15,491,793.00
  6. Tulsa - $15,145,884.00
  7. Memphis - $14,713,436.00
  8. Houston - $14,641,643.00
  9. Tulane - $13,367,701.00
  10. USF - $12,657,036.00
  11. ECU - $10,591,998.00
*In January, 2017, the University of Connecticut terminated the head football coach of his coaching responsibilities. As a result of this action and the coaching staff's employment contracts, the University was required to incur a one-time expense of $4,011,343. This expense is included in the football total expense of $20,454,919 * >>> I did not go through each school for similar caveats but excluding the Diaco payment - it puts UConn @ #4 w/ $16,443,576.00.

(Expenses are expenses attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. This includes appearance guarantees and options, athletically related student aid, contract services, equipment, fundraising activities, operating expenses, promotional activities, recruiting expenses, salaries and benefits, supplies, travel, and any other expenses attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities.)

Once can argue it's not how much we spend but what we got out of those expenditures.
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Someone please tell us all again how dropping the UConn program down to FCS or abolishing it altogether would be financially irresponsible.
 
Drew said:
it really is pretty remarkable that we share a conference with a team that fires a coach after 8-5 and will go poach a sitting Big 12 HC. We fire a DC after having the worst statistical defense in CFB history and the local media writes scathing articles on the program. Two completely different worlds.
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Yeah, that jumped out at me. Still shaking my head. At 8-4 they will absolutely fire the coach. I wasn't aware that they had legalized in Texas.
 
RSTuthill said:
Someone please tell us all again how dropping the UConn program down to FCS or abolishing it altogether would be financially irresponsible.
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Per the same data set football also generated almost $26m ($25,936,445) in 2016.

(Revenues are revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. This includes revenues from appearance guarantees and options, an athletic conference, tournament or bowl games, concessions, contributions from alumni and others, institutional support, program advertising and sales, radio and television, royalties, signage and other sponsorships, sports camps, state or other government support, student activity fees, ticket and luxury box sales, and any other revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities.)
 
huskymedic said:
Per the same data set football also generated almost $26m ($25,936,445) in 2016.

(Revenues are revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. This includes revenues from appearance guarantees and options, an athletic conference, tournament or bowl games, concessions, contributions from alumni and others, institutional support, program advertising and sales, radio and television, royalties, signage and other sponsorships, sports camps, state or other government support, student activity fees, ticket and luxury box sales, and any other revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities.)
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Well, that's a little misleading since it includes student and state subsidies
 
JMick said:
Well, that's a little misleading since it includes student subsidies
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Yup... It’s what the required data sets are for the mandatory reporting. Revenue calcs in Athletic Departments are always quirky (as are some expenses) due to differing methodologies on back office allocations etc. for a variety of the line items.
 
Pudge said:
Pete Thamel - uber Root Fanboy of Syracuse - is dismissive of the University of Houston.

In the great arc of Conference Realignment, neither BC, Syracuse, Louisville, TCU or Pitt ... really ... are the Best Strategic Plan for a ProStructure = which is my view of where the P5 has gone. Syracuse is a piss-ant town that Institutional Lenders avoid and the academics are a myth. Elon and Davidson types draw more affluent Greater NYC suburban kids these days than the Proportion SU used to get.

They play in antiquated mausoleum Carrier Dome - with NO NYS grants or infrastructure aid available in any foreseeable political climate. FanBase? That push for being NYC team? BC has similarly gone to their hole. But the P5 conference label has saved them; floated them.

WE - UConn - have a far more expansive potential as a State U if we had the P5. We did not get it because Louisville pumped fraudulent muni money into glitz facilities and cheater coaches; and Rutgers had a simple land comparative advantage. Etc.

Looking down your nose at Houston (particularly his mystery B12 source) is silly. They should work every angle. That is what BC did. And the stink did not last that long.
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Every P5 school can afford to look down their nose an any non-P5 because they can afford to buy an escalator gilded in gold and we can barely afford a ladder. It is what it is.
 
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I saw a USF student at the Yale-UConn hockey game. AAC is working out for some schools, apparently.
 
If 8-4 is a "mess" I will sign up for a record that averages out to that over the next decade or even 7-5 rather than risk seeing what happens naturally...
 
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noeynox said:
Money talks, as always. Potentially, that’s multi-generational life changing right there.
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FIFY Still life changing, but Holgerson gets out of Appalachia to better recruiting grounds and may blow a bunch on hookers and blow and/or donate most of it to someone other than family. Good to have choices! I jest a bit.
 
HuskyDogArt said:
Why would Holgerson a coach at a P5 school, take a coaching job at a G5 school? I wouldn't...
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Rumors on the Pitt board suggest a move was necessary because Dana is no longer welcome in bars in WV and the odds of a DUI are lower in Houston as there are far more Uber/Lyft drivers.
 
storrsroars said:
Rumors on the Pitt board suggest a move was necessary because Dana is no longer welcome in bars in WV and the odds of a DUI are lower in Houston as there are far more Uber/Lyft drivers.
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Lol. You ever been to Morgantown? Everyone is welcome in bars. This is about a big contract, his love of Texas, the home he owns there and easy recruiting. Houston is a great job. Sooner or later other people will realize P5 isn’t everything. It’s become pretty obvious that Houston is an easy job. That’s why 8-4 isn’t acceptable. (That pressure is what makes it a challenge)

This is like Hurley realizing UConn is a great job. If the school will pay you, has the facilities, is located in a hotbed for players and you like the area, you don’t need much else.
 
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Hoophound said:
Lol. You ever been to Morgantown? Everyone is welcome in bars. This is about a big contract, his love of Texas, the home he owns there and easy recruiting. Houston is a great job. Sooner or later other people will realize P5 isn’t everything. It’s become pretty obvious that Houston is an easy job. That’s why 8-4 isn’t acceptable. (That pressure is what makes it a challenge)

This is like Hurley realizing UConn is a great job. If the school will pay you, has the facilities, is located in a hotbed for players and you like the area, you don’t need much else.
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As you're defending Morgantown, have to ask if the "Hoop" in Hoophound is short for "hoopie"?

Yeah, I'm learning how to become a proper Pittsburgher, lol.

I'll note you have good, logical points, but I'll also leave you with this Deadspin report. And a more sober reporting of similar. The guy has a problem that goes back at least as far as his last stint with Houston. Hopefully he's dealing with it.
 
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Houston officially put its big boys and girls pants on. Sampson hoops coach. Holgerson football coach. A very impressive athletic department for sure. Really wish that this kind of stuff happened here at UConn. Now UConn fans have to cross their fingers and toes that CR stays very quiet for the next 5 years.
 
Dooley said:
Houston officially put its big boys and girls pants on. Sampson hoops coach. Holgerson football coach. A very impressive athletic department for sure. Really wish that this kind of stuff happened here at UConn. Now UConn fans have to cross their fingers and toes that CR stays very quiet for the next 5 years.
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That also implies that Edsall 2.0 is successful going forward making this thing cruising along on auto-pilot again.
 
huskymedic said:
Per the same data set football also generated almost $26m ($25,936,445) in 2016.

(Revenues are revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. This includes revenues from appearance guarantees and options, an athletic conference, tournament or bowl games, concessions, contributions from alumni and others, institutional support, program advertising and sales, radio and television, royalties, signage and other sponsorships, sports camps, state or other government support, student activity fees, ticket and luxury box sales, and any other revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities.)
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Is that the same data set that shows a 20% decrease in Earned Revenue and a 500% increase in subsidy to the AD between 2011 and 2017? That is simply unsustainable.

What I want to see is the current Earned Revenue and Expenditures for the football team only.
 
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RSTuthill said:
Is that the same data set that shows a 20% decrease in Earned Revenue and a 500% increase in subsidy to the AD between 2011 and 2017? That is simply unsustainable.

What I want to see is the current Earned Revenue and Expenditures for the football team only.
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That data above is for the football team only - it’s what’s currently available online.

Is this the other data (page 2) you are trying to refer to? https://senate.uconn.edu/wp-content...Senate-UBC-Report-on-AD-Subsidy-to-Senate.pdf

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I doubt UConn pays the entire football coaching staff $4M/yr. We probably are nowhere close to that which is mind boggling given the fact that UConn has the largest - BY FAR - athletic department expense in the entire G5.
 
huskymedic said:
That data above is for the football team only - it’s what’s currently available online.
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And as previously mentioned is Total Revenue not Earned Revenue. The former includes subsides the latter does not.
 
Thamel is a . He always laughs in the corners with the supposed blue bloods, (as if Syracuse is in that club...).

Houston may be or appear to be psychotic in their standards, but they are transparent about it. Who cares if the Big 12 is laughing? The nation has been laughing at the Big 12 for years. D H brings a brand of football with him a staff that will already know what the heck it is doing.
 
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huskymedic said:
That data above is for the football team only - it’s what’s currently available online.

Is this the other data (page 2) you are trying to refer to? https://senate.uconn.edu/wp-content...Senate-UBC-Report-on-AD-Subsidy-to-Senate.pdf

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This is very interesting. What year did the Big East money stop coming in?

If Football even remotely gets it’s game together that blue represents a major opportunity for improvement. Spending bigger money on a Football Staff that can recruit and coach well is sound investment in my opinion.
 
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