OT: TECH...Getting Fired Up

[zyron]

For you and @Husky25, The FTC and DOJ have not gone away. Refusing competing bandwidth is a sure way to get broken up. What they might do is charge appropriately. At night, Netflix is some absurd percentage of all bandwidth. All non Netflix users are subsidizing Netflix and Netflix users right now. So I think about it the same way we think about ala-cart cable. There will be flexibility to build packages. But the targets won't be you and me, it will be the high bandwidth providers like YouTube (Google). They are getting a free ride.

And remember, the cable companies are in on the streaming game too. AT&T owns direct TV. Comcast is NBC/Universal, which has a ton of streaming options, including partial ownership of Hulu.

And if the cable companies with their streaming services don't feel like competing with the other streaming companies, they can now throttle them till they are useless. So you won't have that many options.

 

[HuskyHawk]

So youre ok with the FCC getting rid of Net neutrality?

Yep. It has existed less than two years. Was the internet broken in 2015? An open internet can adapt and change more rapidly than one treated like a utility. Do you get a lot of innovation from your electric company?

 

[zyron]

Yep. It has existed less than two years. Was the internet broken in 2015? An open internet can adapt and change more rapidly than one treated like a utility. Do you get a lot of innovation from your electric company?

The internet before 2015 was Net Neutrality. Now ISPs can throttle websites and block them. What a great change.

 

[HuskyHawk]

And if the cable companies with their streaming services don't feel like competing with the other streaming companies, they can now throttle them till they are useless. So you won't have that many options.

No, they cannot. The antitrust laws and FTC act would shut that down. And the risk is huge, because these companies have spent a ton of effort integrating vertically, and the likely response to a move like that would be to break them up, so that no Internet provider was also a content provider.

People have short memories. Remember the massive phone bills with landlines in the 80s? Then deregulation and people thought it would be terrible. They were forced to compete and it drove innovation. Now a home phone with unlimited long distance is like $20. Competition among ISPs isn’t strong enough right now, but the research is on on high speed wireless internet to the home. They aren’t even running wires to rural America anymore. It’s coming, and then competition with be intense.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The internet before 2015 was Net Neutrality. Now ISPs can throttle websites and block them. What a great change.

Net Neutrality rule was first adopted in 2015. It did not exist before that.

 

[zyron]

No, they cannot. The antitrust laws and FTC act would shut that down. And the risk is huge, because these companies have spent a ton of effort integrating vertically, and the likely response to a move like that would be to break them up, so that no Internet provider was also a content provider.

People have short memories. Remember the massive phone bills with landlines in the 80s? Then deregulation and people thought it would be terrible. They were forced to compete and it drove innovation. Now a home phone with unlimited long distance is like $20. Competition among ISPs isn’t strong enough right now, but the research is on on high speed wireless internet to the home. They aren’t even running wires to rural America anymore. It’s coming, and then competition with be intense.

They were already doing it in 2015. That's why Net Neutrality was enacted.

 

[zyron]

Net Neutrality rule was first adopted in 2015. It did not exist before that.

The net was neutral before 2015. They put the rule in in 2015.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The net was neutral before 2015. They put the rule in in 2015.

Utterly uninformed nonsense. There was no regulation. They could do what they want, same as now, subject to other laws.

 

[methodology]

There a reason an ex telecom executive shoved this bill through $$$. It is the worst thing to happen to consumers and the internet in 20 years.

 

[HuskyHawk]

There a reason an ex telecom executive shoved this bill through $$$. It is the worst thing to happen to consumers and the internet in 20 years.

There is no bill. The FCC reversed its own rule. Net Neutrality does nothing for you and me. It’s a windfall for Netflix, Google, internet and some others.

 

[zyron]

Utterly uninformed nonsense. There was no regulation. They could do what they want, same as now, subject to other laws.

I didn't say there was regulation, there doesn't have to be when all the data was treated equally. Then ISPs started throttling content, which is why Net Neutrality was enacted.

 

[zyron]

There is no bill. The FCC reversed its own rule. Net Neutrality does nothing for you and me. It’s a windfall for Netflix, Google, internet and some others.

Utterly uninformed nonsense

 

[HuskyHawk]

I didn't say there was regulation, there doesn't have to be when all the data was treated equally. Then ISPs started throttling content, which is why Net Neutrality was enacted.

You’ve got to be kidding me. They’ve been doing it the last two years too. There are huge holes in the old rules. It was first proposed around 2010 and the courts shut it down.

But it’s not worth arguing about it with a NN Kool Aid drinker. Let’s just wait and see. I’m not worried at all. The only “throttling” that would occur would be of companies like Google and Netflix, who already have taken steps to speed their content, including paying ISPs when they didn’t have to. Nothing else even registers. At peak evening hours, Netflix and YouTube are well over 50% of all traffic by themselves.

 

[zyron]

You’ve got to be kidding me. They’ve been doing it the last two years too. There are huge holes in the old rules. It was first proposed around 2010 and the courts shut it down.

But it’s not worth arguing about it with a NN Kool Aid drinker. Let’s just wait and see. I’m not worried at all. The only “throttling” that would occur would be of companies like Google and Netflix, who already have taken steps to speed their content, including paying ISPs when they didn’t have to. Nothing else even registers. At peak evening hours, Netflix and YouTube are well over 50% of all traffic by themselves.

Yup, can't wait until the internet has cable pricing models:

 

[methodology]

NN was put in place because ISPs were already throttling traffic and were starting to offer their own plans. Online gaming, Netflix, YouTube anything the ISPs don't own will be slowed down and buffer more. You will be offered packages from ISPs for their content and forced to pay more to use content that isn't theirs.

This is like striking down free speech and why ISP lobbyist have spent maybe close $100 M to end NN.

Consumers are going to get shafted and the older generations have no clue what ending NN really means and how it will ultimately impact them. Nevermind the impact on the less fortunate who don't and won't have the money to afford to pay for using the internet at its full capacity

 

[zyron]

The only “throttling” that would occur would be of companies like Google and Netflix, who already have taken steps to speed their content, including paying ISPs when they didn’t have to. Nothing else even registers. At peak evening hours, Netflix and YouTube are well over 50% of all traffic by themselves.

Wait, a few posts ago you said that ISPs cannot do that:

No, they cannot. The antitrust laws and FTC act would shut that down.

But now you admit it has already happened and will occur more. Boy, and I am the uninformed one.

 

[ZenConn]

It’s not a button. If you hit guide twice it shows you categories.

Cool. I thought it auto posted to the BY to fire KO. I kid, I kid!

 

[whaler11]

Cool. I thought it auto posted to the BY to fire KO. I kid, I kid!

I don’t post to fire Ollie.

I don’t think it’s going to work out but there is no point worrying about it in December.

I also don’t think there is 10 million even if they wanted to do anything.

 

[Hankster]

That sure beats $230/month. (Triple Play).

I have Triple Play. Not at $230 yet but slightly over $200. It picks up my phone (land line) which I was paying $80 monthly. Plus my internet was $55. The rest is TV. Triple play package almost mirrors Direct TV. I also have DirectTV. However Comcast does not have nearly as much HD channels. I am paying through the butt for TV monthly. Not a smart thing. But like I said my telephone and internet included. I am probably preaching to the choir on this one. We get slammed with snow. Dish gets snow on it, over cast day, picture freezes or starts searching. Two clicks away, Comcast on board. I don't like being interrupted during a UConn or Giants game. Or Game of Thrones even.lol

 

[Husky25]

I have Triple Play. Not at $230 yet but slightly over $200...Triple play package almost mirrors Direct TV. I also have DirectTV.

You pay 4 bills a month for TV?

 

[Tommyboy]

They took away the ability to set the DVR away from the home network, which blows and it can't be thrown up to the big screens through Chromecast. Other than that, I like it.

What a dumb thing to remove. Basically the only time I use my mobile device to set a recording (for my directv) is when I am away from the home network. Thats the major benefit. I don't get the choices people make sometimes.

 

[Dove]

I have Triple Play. Not at $230 yet but slightly over $200. It picks up my phone (land line) which I was paying $80 monthly. Plus my internet was $55. The rest is TV. Triple play package almost mirrors Direct TV. I also have DirectTV. However Comcast does not have nearly as much HD channels. I am paying through the butt for TV monthly. Not a smart thing. But like I said my telephone and internet included. I am probably preaching to the choir on this one. We get slammed with snow. Dish gets snow on it, over cast day, picture freezes or starts searching. Two clicks away, Comcast on board. I don't like being interrupted during a UConn or Giants game. Or Game of Thrones even.lol

Look at your bill...there is like $60+ in just fees and tax!! I mean, why bill people each month for having a box that delivers your product?

 

[Fishy]

Thanks for clicking.

Amazon Fire TV questions coming:

My moms will be in an elderly affordable apartment soon and to cut bills my niece will get her a Fire Stick.

Since I want to ditch Comcast, too, I am looking at the Fire TV. I am kinda clueless about this area. I know I will need a digital antenna for local station. No issues here.

But how will I know if I will get MLB Network and Animal Planet and Nat Geo Wild?

Please enlighten.

And will Kodi be needed for Fire TV? I know it will help Fire Stick people.

Simple Trick Installs Kodi & XBMC To your Amazon Firestick for Free Cable TV - Hack My AppleTV

If you put Kodi on a FireStick, you’re basically opening a doorway into your network and you don’t enough about it to keep yourself safe. That’s the problem with trying to steal stuff; there’s usually a downside.

And if you give an elderly woman a FireStick and cancel her cable, she will sit around all day staring at a blank screen because she can’t figure out how to operative this contraption her kids forced on her.

The poor woman raised you. She has suffered enough.

Let her have cable.

 

[Waquoit]

What brings a person to carry water for these rotten corporations?

 

[Husky25]

What a dumb thing to remove. Basically the only time I use my mobile device to set a recording (for my directv) is when I am away from the home network. Thats the major benefit. I don't get the choices people make sometimes.

Indicated it was a legal thing.

 

[Dove]

If you put Kodi on a FireStick, you’re basically opening a doorway into your network and you don’t enough about it to keep yourself safe. That’s the problem with trying to steal stuff; there’s usually a downside.

And if you give an elderly woman a FireStick and cancel her cable, she will sit around all day staring at a blank screen because she can’t figure out how to operative this contraption her kids forced on her.

The poor woman raised you. She has suffered enough.

Let her have cable.

This is my niece doing it. And when I laughed, hemmed and hawed because moms is easily confused I became...once again...a doosh.

 

[Fishy]

This is my niece doing it. And when I laughed, hemmed and hawed because moms is easily confused I became...once again...a doosh.

We got my mother a new HDR television last year - the remote was slightly more complex than the one she had previously.

Two days after Christmas, she sent us all an email accusing us of ruining her life.

Just don’t do it.

 

[Husky25]

This is my niece doing it. And when I laughed, hemmed and hawed because moms is easily confused I became...once again...a doosh.

If your grandmother is anything like mine and you are really angling for coal in your stocking, put FOXNews behind the child-lock code.

 

[whaler11]

What brings a person to carry water for these rotten corporations?

Saying that X1 is a good product is carrying water for a rotten corporation?

It’s a good product. You might not like the price but it’s awesome.

 

[Waquoit]

Saying that X1 is a good product is carrying water for a rotten corporation?

It’s a good product. You might not like the price but it’s awesome.

FWIW, I was talking anti-net neutrality people. To be honest, I don't know what X1 is and don't feel like researching right now.