OT Shea Ralph Vandy

[Gael]

I am not sure where you get the strength of schedule results that you do

Massie. Going into today's game, Massie showed LSU with a 52 SOS and Vanderbilt with an 86 SOS.

 

[stamfordhusky]

Very satisfying to see Vandy beat LSU. Which also means one of my very favorite coaches beats one of my least favorite coaches. As time was ticking down Vandy was inbounding the ball and the receiving player obviously had her foot over the line. Kim saw it, the ref didn't and Kim was out of timeouts to challenge. Game over

Although the announcers did not know the rule, Mulkey actually would not have been allowed to challenge the call, even if she had a time out. On a sideline play, the call can only be challenged if the refs blow the whistle and stop play when they should not have. In that case, It’s easy to review what happened and then let play continue in an equitable fashion.

But if someone steps on the line and there is no whistle, no challenge is allowed. Otherwise it would be a problem because play might not stop for a minute or more - and then what do you do with all the things that happened during that minute? There could’ve been several baskets - maybe three 3-pointers- before you determine that play should’ve stopped a minute earlier because of an out of bounds call. Do you now say that all of those baskets never happened? In any event, the NCAA did not want to open up that can of worms so if there is no whistle and no stoppage of play, then there can be no challenge.

 

[Bone Dog]

Unrepentant and , to me at least, more than a little different.

This is Kim at her best. Honest and unvarnished. She says what she thinks. On her OOC schedule, she says it’s a good thing it was so weak otherwise they’d have even more losses. You gotta love her.

 

[JellyBean]

Huge win for Coach Ralph and her Vandy program. She should have her program cracking the top 10 or close to it this week. LSU tough loss but they will only get stronger through this minor adversity. They have an excellent coach in Coach Mulkey and too much talent. They will get things figured out. The SEC is going to be must see TV.

 

[bballnut90]

Although the announcers did not know the rule, Mulkey actually would not have been allowed to challenge the call, even if she had a time out. On a sideline play, the call can only be challenged if the refs blow the whistle and stop play when they should not have. In that case, It’s easy to review what happened and then let play continue in an equitable fashion.

But if someone steps on the line and there is no whistle, no challenge is allowed. Otherwise it would be a problem because play might not stop for a minute or more - and then what do you do with all the things that happened during that minute? There could’ve been several baskets - maybe three 3-pointers- before you determine that play should’ve stopped a minute earlier because of an out of bounds call. Do you now say that all of those baskets never happened? In any event, the NCAA did not want to open up that can of worms so if there is no whistle and no stoppage of play, then there can be no challenge.

Thanks for clarifying this. I was puzzled why she didn't challenge it.

 

[stamfordhusky]

Thanks for clarifying this. I was puzzled why she didn't challenge it.

It’s too bad neither of the announcers had a clue about the rule. Now they have passed on a lot of misinformation to all of their viewers, who will now think they understand the rule when they actually don’t. If announcers are going to accept a paycheck, part of their job description should be that they learn the rules inside and out. That’s not too much to ask.

 

[CL82]

This is Kim at her best. Honest and unvarnished. She says what she thinks. On her OOC schedule, she says it’s a good thing it was so weak otherwise they’d have even more losses. You gotta love her.

"Money, money, money, money… Money"

 

[LGITB]

Very satisfying to see Vandy beat LSU. Which also means one of my very favorite coaches beats one of my least favorite coaches. As time was ticking down Vandy was inbounding the ball and the receiving player obviously had her foot over the line. Kim saw it, the ref didn't and Kim was out of timeouts to challenge. Game over

You cannot call a challenge on a non-call, only on a call made.

 

[Cuango]

What a game and what a win for Shea and Vandy. Mikayla Blakes is the real deal.

Shea is the real deal! Blakes isn’t too bad either.

 

[Cuango]

I love Kim Mulkey! What a coach and what a character!

 

[Bone Dog]

One thing I noticed in the postgame interview with Blakes is that she speaks a mile a minute. They shouldn’t let her have coffee.

 

[hussybulldog]

It’s too bad neither of the announcers had a clue about the rule. Now they have passed on a lot of misinformation to all of their viewers, who will now think they understand the rule when they actually don’t. If announcers are going to accept a paycheck, part of their job description should be that they learn the rules inside and out. That’s not too much to ask.

If the referees are allowed to make mistakes without having no to correct them, the announcers should be allowed to do so as well

 

[Wbbfan1]

Ran across this today and you'll love it.

 

[oldude]

Through the course of any basketball game there are going to be a number of missed calls. As others have pointed out, Blakes was mugged by LSU several times with no foul called. Kim & LSU fans will focus on the late game “out of bounds” non-call. But the truth is always that, if a loss comes down to one missed call by the refs, your team didn’t do enough to win the game in the first place.

 

[HuskyNan]

Geno has said many times in the past that if you need a foul call in order to win the game you don’t deserve to win

 

[Viet Vet]

It’s too bad neither of the announcers had a clue about the rule. Now they have passed on a lot of misinformation to all of their viewers, who will now think they understand the rule when they actually don’t. If announcers are going to accept a paycheck, part of their job description should be that they learn the rules inside and out. That’s not too much to ask.

Amen. As a former ref, I can't begin to count the number of times I had been yelled at by fans who "know" the rules. At least they weren't being paid to disseminate misinformation.

 

[YKCornelius]

If the referees are allowed to make mistakes without having no to correct them, the announcers should be allowed to do so as well

Ummm, so the announcers can/should be allowed to misstate the situation without anyone in the production crew correcting them? Or - although not ideal - perhaps someone back in the studio after the game?

As stamfordhusky pointed out, viewers should be able to expect some degree of rules knowledge/expertise from the game announcers. With the rule changes of what is reviewable and what is not, it shouldn't be difficult to explain the ins and outs to viewers/listeners.

Good grief, a simple crib sheet in front of them would have nipped the misinformation in the bud. Shabby work from my perch.

 

[MSGRET]

 

[oldude]

To paraphrase a lyric by Old Blue Eyes from the song you reference that might apply to LSU:

Riding high in December, Shot down in January……

 

[Cuango]

Geno has said many times in the past that if you need a foul call in order to win the game you don’t deserve to win

All that is true but I don’t blame her for being upset about it! For that matter, from what I saw, she didn’t make a big deal about it! In the postgame interview she merely responded to a question by saying she had asked for a review. I personally think there should be a review of game changing calls in the last minute of the game!

 

[MSGRET]

LSU falls 7 spots to #12 in the AP Poll.

 

[Charliebball]

I think Shea has solidified her position as the leading candidate to replace Geno upon his retirement if she wants to take on the challenge....

 

[MSGRET]

All that is true but I don’t blame her for being upset about it! For that matter, from what I saw, she didn’t make a big deal about it! In the postgame interview she merely responded to a question by saying she had asked for a review. I personally think there should be a review of game changing calls in the last minute of the game!

Question, what's the rules on requesting a review? I believe that in the last minute of the game if a review is requested by a coach they must have a time out to get a review. I believe that she was out of time outs at the time of the request, so no review was allowed.

 

[FanSince17]

Through the course of any basketball game there are going to be a number of missed calls. As others have pointed out, Blakes was mugged by LSU several times with no foul called. Kim & LSU fans will focus on the late game “out of bounds” non-call. But the truth is always that, if a loss comes down to one missed call by the refs, your team didn’t do enough to win the game in the first place.

I wasn't impressed at all in Kim's game management vs Vandy. You said that she didn't really make any adjustments during the game.
Her time outs down the stretch were spastic. How can she not have a timeout left? Announcer actually brought up the possibility of calling one and dealing with the technical that would be assessed. Really?
Also, I thought she needed to lengthen the last minute and a half by fouling. Even Blakes was missing FT's. Put Vandy on the line under pressure. Vandy had the ball with 31 seconds left or so and she still didn't foul. She was lucky Williams hit that 3 to even make it a one possession game. She got lucky there. I would have fouled and made Vandy beat you at the FT line.

 

[chuck.r]

Question, what's the rules on requesting a review? I believe that in the last minute of the game if a review is requested by a coach they must have a time out to get a review. I believe that she was out of time outs at the time of the request, so no review was allowed.

Not an expert on these matters, but it was mentioned that a coach can still request a review without a timeout in hand, but they run the risk of a technical foul if the ruling is not in their favor. As someone else has mentioned, there was no immediate whistle associated with the play, so I'm not sure she could ask for a review.