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10. I think these are my non-football thoughts of the week:

k. Wonder if the ACC noticed the UConn women winning their fourth straight national championship the other day, and the UConn men making the tournament and winning 25 games?

l. UConn football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball in 2015-16: 69-18.

m. Boston College football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball in 2015-16: 25-50.
 
BRS24 said:
k. Wonder if the ACC noticed the UConn women winning their fourth straight national championship the other day, and the UConn men making the tournament and winning 25 games?
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Women's basketball isn't a factor in conference realignment and neither are men's basketball, soccer, field hockey, lacrosse, etc. UConn football actually went to a bowl game last December and didn't embarrass itself. That's far more meaningful than 11 women's basketball titles, unfortunately.
 
Power 5 conferences are all about football and for now that is killing Connecticut.
 
cbraarj said:
Power 5 conferences are all about football and for now that is killing Connecticut.
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Yes - but the fact remains that a bunch of schools already in the P5 have absolutely dreadful football teams that have been dreadful for a very long time, so the argument that you need to add power house football teams is a little weak - you need to add schools that take their sports seriously and will invest in them smartly.
 
UcMiami said:
Yes - but the fact remains that a bunch of schools already in the P5 have absolutely dreadful football teams that have been dreadful for a very long time, so the argument that you need to add power house football teams is a little weak - you need to add schools that take their sports seriously and will invest in them smartly.
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The top half of these conferences Have the best teams in the country and the only reason Uconn was not invited because of the football program.They run D-1 football and finance most of the other sports at their schools.Until Uconn can win some championships they will not be asked in.The dreadful power 5 football teams were already in those leagues.IMO some of those are just along for the ride.
 
cbraarj said:
The top half of these conferences Have the best teams in the country and the only reason Uconn was not invited because of the football program.
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Actually, there are two reasons. One is the football team was dreadful under Pasqualoni and the other is that BC blackballed UConn from the ACC in the last vote.
 
HuskyNan said:
Actually, there are two reasons. One is the football team was dreadful under Pasqualoni and the other is that BC blackballed UConn from the ACC in the last vote.
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true
 
HuskyNan said:
Actually, there are two reasons. One is the football team was dreadful under Pasqualoni and the other is that BC blackballed UConn from the ACC in the last vote.
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I agree about BC.Their AD is nothing but a big whiner but Louisville has the better football program and that is the main reason they were chosen.As much as I like Diaco when he starts winning more than losing.I expect him to jump to a power 5 conference.Maybe even back to his Iowa Hawkeyes.
 
cbraarj said:
Until Uconn can win some championships they will not be asked in.The dreadful power 5 football teams were already in those leagues.
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Lack of championships didn't seem to stop Rutgers and Maryland??
 
Regardless of that football fact. I'm hoping some day Uconn basketball has some power one day to push Uconn through the door. I Have FAITH.
 
huskymedic said:
Lack of championships didn't seem to stop Rutgers and Maryland??
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Maryland went from ACC to Big 10.Rutgers is from New Jersey which is a hot bed for high school football in the east.
 
I think lack of available spots in P5 conferences is the biggest reason we're not in one. There aren't that many and are only added rarely and begrudgingly. You can bet that if it were possible the top dogs of the P5 schools, of which there are maybe 25-30 such teams, would dump the grandfathered in dead weight from their conference and trade up to a UConn in a heartbeat. From a TV perspective UConn is in a top 30 market and pulls a share of two of the top 10 which surround it. Academically, UConn would be in the top half of almost all of the P5 conferences.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Academically, UConn would be in the top half of almost all of the P5 conferences.
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It's more than US World and News Reports ranking. One of the P5, the Big 10/11, requires all members to be part of the CIC, a research consortium. You may have noticed that UConn is spending more money on research these days. I don't know if UConn has applied to the CIC for membership but as of today, it is not part of the CIC. This pretty much eliminates the Big 10 as a possibility at this point in time.

While academics have always played an integral role in the conference, presidents of the Big Ten member institutions formalized the primacy of academics with the establishment of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) in 1958. The CIC was formed as an academic consortium of all Big Ten universities and founding conference member Chicago. In 2013, the 15 schools currently constituting the CIC produced over $10 billion in funded research, $4 billion more than any other conference. Source

From the About CIC web page:

Headquartered in the Midwest, the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) is a consortium of the Big Ten member universities plus the University of Chicago. For more than half a century, these world-class research institutions have advanced their academic missions, generated unique opportunities for students and faculty, and served the common good by sharing expertise, leveraging campus resources, and collaborating on innovative programs. Governed and funded by the Provosts of the member universities, CIC mandates are coordinated by a staff from its Champaign, Illinois headquarters.

CIC Member Universities:

University of Chicago
University of Illinois
Indiana University
University of Iowa
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Northwestern University
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University
Purdue University
Rutgers University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
 
HuskyNan said:
It's more than US World and News Reports ranking. One of the P5, the Big 10/11, requires all members to be part of the CIC, a research consortium. You may have noticed that UConn is spending more money on research these days. I don't know if UConn has applied to the CIC for membership but as of today, it is not part of the CIC. This pretty much eliminates the Big 10 as a possibility at this point in time.

While academics have always played an integral role in the conference, presidents of the Big Ten member institutions formalized the primacy of academics with the establishment of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) in 1958. The CIC was formed as an academic consortium of all Big Ten universities and founding conference member Chicago. In 2013, the 15 schools currently constituting the CIC produced over $10 billion in funded research, $4 billion more than any other conference. Source

From the About CIC web page:

Headquartered in the Midwest, the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) is a consortium of the Big Ten member universities plus the University of Chicago. For more than half a century, these world-class research institutions have advanced their academic missions, generated unique opportunities for students and faculty, and served the common good by sharing expertise, leveraging campus resources, and collaborating on innovative programs. Governed and funded by the Provosts of the member universities, CIC mandates are coordinated by a staff from its Champaign, Illinois headquarters.

CIC Member Universities:

University of Chicago
University of Illinois
Indiana University
University of Iowa
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Northwestern University
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University
Purdue University
Rutgers University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
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Conferences can invent all the affiliations they want and invite whomever they wish to be a part of their elite club. Just because Minnesota is in the CIC does not make it a better school than UConn, so I stand by my assertion that UConn is a better school than half the P5 schools using broad metrics. You can pick narrow scope metrics such as research dollars or number of people the football stadium holds to make any school look good. I didn't see Harvard or Penn on that list, by the way, and I assume they are still better schools than Indiana? The B1G has an inflated opinion of itself when it comes to academics, and the league doesn't exactly dominate in any of the major sports.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Conferences can invent all the affiliations they want and invite whomever they wish to be a part of their elite club. Just because Minnesota is in the CIC does not make it a better school than UConn, so I stand by my assertion that UConn is a better school than half the P5 schools using broad metrics. You can pick narrow scope metrics such as research dollars or number of people the football stadium holds to make any school look good. I didn't see Harvard or Penn on that list, by the way, and I assume they are still better schools than Indiana? The B1G has an inflated opinion of itself when it comes to academics, and the league doesn't exactly dominate in any of the major sports.
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That may be true, but the CIC still stands as a barrier to admission to the Big 10.
 
cbraarj said:
Maryland went from ACC to Big 10.Rutgers is from New Jersey which is a hot bed for high school football in the east.
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You stated specifically :"Until Uconn can win some championships they will not be asked in" --- but you seem to agree that there are many more factors in play other than football championships.
 
HuskyNan said:
It's more than US World and News Reports ranking. One of the P5, the Big 10/11, requires all members to be part of the CIC, a research consortium. You may have noticed that UConn is spending more money on research these days. I don't know if UConn has applied to the CIC for membership but as of today, it is not part of the CIC. This pretty much eliminates the Big 10 as a possibility at this point in time.

While academics have always played an integral role in the conference, presidents of the Big Ten member institutions formalized the primacy of academics with the establishment of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) in 1958. The CIC was formed as an academic consortium of all Big Ten universities and founding conference member Chicago. In 2013, the 15 schools currently constituting the CIC produced over $10 billion in funded research, $4 billion more than any other conference. Source

From the About CIC web page:

Headquartered in the Midwest, the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) is a consortium of the Big Ten member universities plus the University of Chicago. For more than half a century, these world-class research institutions have advanced their academic missions, generated unique opportunities for students and faculty, and served the common good by sharing expertise, leveraging campus resources, and collaborating on innovative programs. Governed and funded by the Provosts of the member universities, CIC mandates are coordinated by a staff from its Champaign, Illinois headquarters.

CIC Member Universities:

University of Chicago
University of Illinois
Indiana University
University of Iowa
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Northwestern University
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University
Purdue University
Rutgers University
University of Wisconsin-Madison
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The CIC appears to be a closed shop - it is open only to Big10 members plus the non-affiliated U of Chicago so I do not think Uconn could 'apply'. The other academic organization is the AAU but that has specific qualifications regarding satellite facilities and the distance between Uconn's main campus and the Medical School campus is too great to consider the two as a single entity - negating a very large segment of the research and development funding on the Uconn 'books'. That to is not something you can really 'apply' for - you must be invited to join by the other members - that is the area I believe Uconn has been doing 'behind the scenes' lobbying for.
Nebraska had AAU membership when they were invited in, but was subsequently dropped I believe.
 
Didn't Rutgers add a medical center a distance from the campus to get into the BIG? Camden, I think.
 
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