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JMO:

That article was horrendous.

Brady and Manning were fairly even all game. There were a few differences I saw:
  • Brady threw that pretty horrid deep ball to Gronkowski for the INT
  • Brady threw the other deep ball to no one for the safety
Usually two mistakes like that wouldn't cost you the game, but Manning didn't make any mistakes and the Giants recovered every time they did make a mistake.
Other than that, you can argue Manning either threw slightly better "winning" passes or his receivers made slightly better "winning" plays.
  • Manningham's catch was really tough and impressive, but Manning threw that ball almost perfectly.
  • Welker's miss was also a tough attempt and would have been very impressive, but Brady slightly overthrew him
Play the game tomorrow and maybe the Pats win, both teams were pretty evenly matched. Maybe the ball bounces to the Pats when Bradshaw fumbles next time. Either way the Giants may not have been clearly better but they certainly were not worse than the Pats.
As to SpyGate, it is true they haven't won one since then. How much that helped is unknown as there are a ton of other factors that differ as well.
 
JMO:

That article was horrendous.

Brady and Manning were fairly even all game. There were a few differences I saw:
  • Brady threw that pretty horrid deep ball to Gronkowski for the INT
  • Brady threw the other deep ball to no one for the safety
Usually two mistakes like that wouldn't cost you the game, but Manning didn't make any mistakes and the Giants recovered every time they did make a mistake.

Other than that, you can argue Manning either threw slightly better "winning" passes or his receivers made slightly better "winning" plays.
  • Manningham's catch was really tough and impressive, but Manning threw that ball almost perfectly.
  • Welker's miss was also a tough attempt and would have been very impressive, but Brady slightly overthrew him
Play the game tomorrow and maybe the Pats win, both teams were pretty evenly matched. Maybe the ball bounces to the Pats when Bradshaw fumbles next time. Either way the Giants may not have been clearly better but they certainly were not worse than the Pats.

As to SpyGate, it is true they haven't won one since then. How much that helped is unknown as there are a ton of other factors that differ as well.
I find the Patriot fanbase's total mental block about not admitting the Giants were the better team unseemly.

Imagine if Brad Stevens took the podium after last year's NCAA championship game and said "I think, in this game, on this particular day, UConn certainly was not worse than we were. In the game played in a parallel universe where the plays that we didn't make out on the court today worked out perfectly and some of the plays that they did make never even happened, I think that is the game folks should focus on when determining which team is the so-called "better team". That's the game, not this game that we actually played and you just watched, which was, whatever, just some thing that we did and whatnot, which I will be the first person to admit had some tiny, little, itty-bitty, teeny-weenie element of truth to it, if you're all hung up on things like visual perception of events in the time-space continuum and all that jazz. The parallel universe game, that was the true test, and I don't want to use the phrase "total domination" lightly, but let's just say, we really, really played that game the right way."
 
I find the Patriot fanbase's total mental block about not admitting the Giants were the better team unseemly.

Imagine if Brad Stevens took the podium after last year's NCAA championship game and said "I think, in this game, on this particular day, UConn certainly was not worse than we were. In the game played in a parallel universe where the plays that we didn't make out on the court today worked out perfectly and some of the plays that they did make never even happened, I think that is the game folks should focus on when determining which team is the so-called "better team". That's the game, not this game that we actually played and you just watched, which was, whatever, just some thing that we did and whatnot, which I will be the first person to admit had some tiny, little, itty-bitty, teeny-weenie element of truth to it, if you're all hung up on things like visual perception of events in the time-space continuum and all that jazz. The parallel universe game, that was the true test, and I don't want to use the phrase "total domination" lightly, but let's just say, we really, really played that game the right way."

Why? The Giants were not better in 2007 either, not even close. Play that one ten times and the Pats win 9. As to last night's game, I think, and thought going in, that the Patriots were just slightly better. I saw nothing to change my opinion. But certainly in a ten game series, we're looking at nothing other than 5-5 or 6-4 for one team or the other. While the Giants had injuries, so did NE all year. I think they broke the record for most players used. Yet in the regular season the Pats were +171 in points for vs. against. The Giants were -6.

This happens all the time in sports. The 2010-11 Huskies were an example. Not the best team last year by a long shot, but the team playing the best in the tournament. That's what the Giants were. That's what the last two World Series winners were as well. I tip my hat to them for playing a very solid game. They made the critical plays and didn't make mistakes. But I think the Packers and Saints were both better than either team.
 
I find the Patriot fanbase's total mental block about not admitting the Giants were the better team unseemly.

Imagine if Brad Stevens took the podium after last year's NCAA championship game and said "I think, in this game, on this particular day, UConn certainly was not worse than we were. In the game played in a parallel universe where the plays that we didn't make out on the court today worked out perfectly and some of the plays that they did make never even happened, I think that is the game folks should focus on when determining which team is the so-called "better team". That's the game, not this game that we actually played and you just watched, which was, whatever, just some thing that we did and whatnot, which I will be the first person to admit had some tiny, little, itty-bitty, teeny-weenie element of truth to it, if you're all hung up on things like visual perception of events in the time-space continuum and all that jazz. The parallel universe game, that was the true test, and I don't want to use the phrase "total domination" lightly, but let's just say, we really, really played that game the right way."

I'm a Giants fan and have been since my dad grew up in the NYC.

Steven's Butler team lost to UConn by more than double what the Pats lost by.

If he had said it after the Duke game in 2010 where a three point shot for the win bounced off the rim, I think that would be a more apt comparison and he would be correct considering nobody lead by more than 6 in that game.

In fact, ""We just came up a bounce short," Butler coach Brad Stevens said." - Post-2010 NC game.
 
To me that article was either Wilbur auditioning for the CHB role at the Globe as he's heard its time for a new turd in the punchbowl or CHB is tutoring the kid so that the CHB's efforts seem reasonable in comparison.
 
Did you know the only team the Giants beat in the regular season with a winning record was New England? Did you also know New England only beat Baltimore (including the playoffs)? The Giants did take down four teams with winning records in the playoffs.

Denver 8-8 (1-1)
Baltimore 12-4 (0-1)

Miami (6-10)
San Diego (8-8)
Oakland (8-8)
Jets (8-8)
Dallas (8-8)
Jets (8-8)
KC (7-9)
Philly (8-8)
Indy (2-14)
Washington (5-11)
Denver (8-8)
Miami (6-10)
Buffalo (6-10)

Giants:
Atlanta 10-6 (0-1)
Green Bay 15-1 (0-1)
San Fransisco 13-3 (1-1)
New England 13-3 (2-1)

St Louis (2-14)
Philly (8-8)
Arizona (8-8)
Buffalo (6-10)
Miami (6-10)
New England (13-3)
Dallas (8-8)
Jets (8-8)
Dallas (8-8)
 
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Who was the better team between the Patriots and the Rams during the 2001 season?

I can't wait for this one.


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Why? The Giants were not better in 2007 either, not even close. Play that one ten times and the Pats win 9. As to last night's game, I think, and thought going in, that the Patriots were just slightly better. I saw nothing to change my opinion. But certainly in a ten game series, we're looking at nothing other than 5-5 or 6-4 for one team or the other. While the Giants had injuries, so did NE all year. I think they broke the record for most players used. Yet in the regular season the Pats were +171 in points for vs. against. The Giants were -6.

This happens all the time in sports. The 2010-11 Huskies were an example. Not the best team last year by a long shot, but the team playing the best in the tournament. That's what the Giants were. That's what the last two World Series winners were as well. I tip my hat to them for playing a very solid game. They made the critical plays and didn't make mistakes. But I think the Packers and Saints were both better than either team.
Eh, I'm comfortable saying that the (healthy version of the) Giants were a better team this season. Or, at the very least, about as good.

They had a better defense, good special teams, and an offense that - now that Eli is legit - is near near the top of the league. Not a lot of holes in that team once they got healthy and started playing well.

They were definitely not the better team in 2007, but that's what makes sports such a funny thing.

edit: I think Pats fans should just ignore Jaynce - he enjoys baiting people into stupid arguments. It's kind of his schtick.
 
Why? The Giants were not better in 2007 either, not even close. Play that one ten times and the Pats win 9. As to last night's game, I think, and thought going in, that the Patriots were just slightly better. I saw nothing to change my opinion. But certainly in a ten game series, we're looking at nothing other than 5-5 or 6-4 for one team or the other. While the Giants had injuries, so did NE all year. I think they broke the record for most players used. Yet in the regular season the Pats were +171 in points for vs. against. The Giants were -6.

This happens all the time in sports. The 2010-11 Huskies were an example. Not the best team last year by a long shot, but the team playing the best in the tournament. That's what the Giants were. That's what the last two World Series winners were as well. I tip my hat to them for playing a very solid game. They made the critical plays and didn't make mistakes. But I think the Packers and Saints were both better than either team.

In a parallel universe where one compares two teams with each other and follows the rule that if a team beats a team twice, once at the other team's home stadium, that the winner of those games is "worse" than the losing team which is "better", I grant to you that the Giants are that worse team and the Patriots are that better team. However, on Planet Earth, where I happen to live and make my living, I don't think I'm breaking any cardinal rules of empiricism when I say that the Giants beating the Patriots twice, once in a stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts where the Patriots have locker rooms and offices and where their fans buy and occupy most of the seats, and then in a game that both teams fully understood to be the "championship" game, is extremely compelling evidence that the Giants are, speaking completely objectively here, the better team. Some would use the phrase "demonstrable evidence" to describe the Giant's two wins over the Patriots, and I would not object to that ussage on grounds of language or logic. Now, you may want to make this an unprecedented-in-a-football-season best of five game series and hope the Patriots pull out three in a row in order to defend your counterintuitive conclusion. Or you may think that the net points the teams scored against uncommon opponents (including, I should point out, the single, solitary, lonely team with a better than .500 record that the Patriots actually managed to defeat in a "game" this season by means of a missed chip-shot field goal) is somehow dispositive of the question. But I have to point out that those metrics are evidence that you are operating under a delusion I like to call "Massachusetts Thinking".

I suggest you create an objective metric for "better team" that compares two teams in relation to each other but doesn't take into consideration how those two teams actually perform against each other in "games" and submit that metric to the NFL. In the interim, perhaps you can create a "Better Team" trophy by wrapping a football in aluminum foil and nailing said tinfoil ball to a two-by-four and invite the Patriots to accept the trophy following a ticker tape parade you will be throwing for them in your basement.
 
In a parallel universe where one compares two teams with each other and follows the rule that if a team beats a team twice, once at the other team's home stadium, that the winner of those games is "worse" than the losing team which is "better",

Using your logic, the Redskins are better than the Giants? Keep in mind, the Patriots' X factor was hurt and clearly not himself.

I'm not saying the Pats were better, but sample size. Any team can beat another on any given day.
 
Brady played an A- game, Eli played an A game.

You have to love the silliness of some Boston fans. The Giants end a 20 home game win streak for the Pats, end a 10 game win streak for the Pats on a nuetral field. And still, the Pats are the better team. WOW.

Then this from the article...
"The safety killed the Patriots. Killed them."

After the safety it was 2-0, then 9-0. According to the "journalist" the game was now decided. Which is ironic, because the Giants didn't score another point until they were losing 17-9 in the 3rd quarter. Call me crazy, but I think the Pats rebounded from that safety pretty well. Welker holds on to that pass, and the Pats win.
 
In a parallel universe where one compares two teams with each other and follows the rule that if a team beats a team twice, once at the other team's home stadium, that the winner of those games is "worse" than the losing team which is "better",

Using your logic, the Redskins are better than the Giants? Keep in mind, the Patriots' X factor was hurt and clearly not himself.

I'm not saying the Pats were better, but sample size. Any team can beat another on any given day.

It's not just the 2-0 record vs. the Pats. The Lombardi Trophy, and everything that goes into winning it, matters too.
 
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In a parallel universe where one compares two teams with each other and follows the rule that if a team beats a team twice, once at the other team's home stadium, that the winner of those games is "worse" than the losing team which is "better",

Using your logic, the Redskins are better than the Giants? Keep in mind, the Patriots' X factor was hurt and clearly not himself.

I'm not saying the Pats were better, but sample size. Any team can beat another on any given day.

And of course, the Patriots beat those Redskins, on the road. By the way, the teams had lots of common opponents, as the divisions played each other. Match-ups are critical. I think the Saints would have made short work of the Giants. If not for some complete gaffes, SF would have beaten them. The Giants are a tough match-up for the Pats. But that doesn't suggest how they fare against other teams.
 
Who was the better team between the Patriots and the Rams during the 2001 season?

I can't wait for this one.


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The Rams, absolutely.
 
And of course, the Patriots beat those Redskins, on the road. By the way, the teams had lots of common opponents, as the divisions played each other. Match-ups are critical. I think the Saints would have made short work of the Giants. If not for some complete gaffes, SF would have beaten them. The Giants are a tough match-up for the Pats. But that doesn't suggest how they fare against other teams.

The Saints would have destroyed the Pats too.

SF did beat the Giants, but the Giants had an opportunity to win that game in the final seconds too. The Giants were not healthy most of the season.
 
Brady played an A- game, Eli played an A game.

You have to love the silliness of some Boston fans. The Giants end a 20 home game win streak for the Pats, end a 10 game win streak for the Pats on a nuetral field. And still, the Pats are the better team. WOW.

Then this from the article...
"The safety killed the Patriots. Killed them."

After the safety it was 2-0, then 9-0. According to the "journalist" the game was now decided. Which is ironic, because the Giants didn't score another point until they were losing 17-9 in the 3rd quarter. Call me crazy, but I think the Pats rebounded from that safety pretty well. Welker holds on to that pass, and the Pats win.

So, if Welker holds on to that catch, the Pats are a better team?

My point is, the teams were very closely matched. Saying for sure that one is better than the other seems a little biased.
 
He has the brain of a 4-year-old - no sense in arguing with him.

Also, to the person who said this article is a Boston thing: I'm pretty sure New York is about as bad.

Actually, it's not. There is simply no animal quite like the negative Boston sportswriter anywhere. Yes, there are obnoxious twits, blowhards, egomaniacs, frighteningly unimformed and over opinionated amongst the writers here and like Boston, nothing's really of limits. But, guys like this one and Ryan and Shaughnessy who just look to all over the local heroes at every turn are really a breed apart. I can't wait for Ryan and Shaughnessy to fade away, won't read any of their stuff and haven't in years.
 
^ that, I have to agree with. The Boston media loves to dump all over Red Sox legends on their way out of town.
 
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That's a Boston thing. Remember it was a Boston writer that didn't vote for Ted Williams in his top 10 for MVP the year Teddy Ballgame hit .406

who would remember that? it was like 150 years ago.
 
JMO:

That article was horrendous.

Brady and Manning were fairly even all game. There were a few differences I saw:
  • Brady threw that pretty horrid deep ball to Gronkowski for the INT
  • Brady threw the other deep ball to no one for the safety
Usually two mistakes like that wouldn't cost you the game, but Manning didn't make any mistakes and the Giants recovered every time they did make a mistake.
Other than that, you can argue Manning either threw slightly better "winning" passes or his receivers made slightly better "winning" plays.
  • Manningham's catch was really tough and impressive, but Manning threw that ball almost perfectly.
  • Welker's miss was also a tough attempt and would have been very impressive, but Brady slightly overthrew him
Play the game tomorrow and maybe the Pats win, both teams were pretty evenly matched. Maybe the ball bounces to the Pats when Bradshaw fumbles next time. Either way the Giants may not have been clearly better but they certainly were not worse than the Pats.
As to SpyGate, it is true they haven't won one since then. How much that helped is unknown as there are a ton of other factors that differ as well.

The INT wasn't even that big a deal - he escaped pressure, and the Pats were on their own 43 and the Giants came out of it pinned on their 8. Essentially he avoided a sack and gave the Pats an excellent punt, which would have been a good field position trade if the Pats recovered the ensuing fumble or didn't line up in the neutral zone on 3rd and 7. Plus, he also had every reason to expect that even an injured Gronk could break up a jump ball with a back-up linebacker.

The writer also gets mad at him for chucking it downfield on 2nd and 11 with four minutes to go as if the Pats were about to run out the clock. Total nonsense.
 
The Saints would have destroyed the Pats too.

SF did beat the Giants, but the Giants had an opportunity to win that game in the final seconds too. The Giants were not healthy most of the season.

I meant SF in the playoffs. If not for a lucky bounce off of a kick returner, SF is in the superbowl. The Pats got a missed FG. These were not the two best teams. With healthy Matt Schaub Houston was much better than either.
 
The INT wasn't even that big a deal - he escaped pressure, and the Pats were on their own 43 and the Giants came out of it pinned on their 8. Essentially he avoided a sack and gave the Pats an excellent punt, which would have been a good field position trade if the Pats recovered the ensuing fumble or didn't line up in the neutral zone on 3rd and 7. Plus, he also had every reason to expect that even an injured Gronk could break up a jump ball with a back-up linebacker.

The writer also gets mad at him for chucking it downfield on 2nd and 11 with four minutes to go as if the Pats were about to run out the clock. Total nonsense.

I agree, in fact, I said:

"Usually two mistakes like that wouldn't cost you the game, but Manning didn't make any mistakes and the Giants recovered every time they did make a mistake."


I was just pointing it out as a mistake, which it was in the difference between how Manning and Brady played.
 
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I hate the Pats so take my analysis as you will. BUT Brady deserves a lot of the blame for that game. He got all the glory for the first three super bowls when the Pats won by field goals that he didnt kick. The Pats D was the strenght of the team for all of the SB wins and now that the offense is the focus, they havent won. Brady missed a WIDE open Welker to ice the game. Everyone is saying Welker dropped it but Brady threw it over the wrong shoulder and made 5;8 welker spin around and jump in midair to even get his hands on it. It was an awful throw. On the last drive he had a WIDE open Branch across the middle and threw it three feet behind him. If he led him Branch is still running ala Forrest Gump. Again Branch got his hands on it so its called a drop but that was a bad throw too.

Ive always felt Brady was great, but overrated. He has played under the best coach, in the best system and for the best franchize in the league for his entire career. He has had an incredible offensive line his entire career. He backs up and has all day to scan the field and then throw 6-8 yard passes that his receivers turn into 15 or 20 yard gains. Brady was 0-14 on passes that were 20 yds or more in the air in both Super Bowls (according to Trent Dilfer). Hes obviously a great qb. His record speaks for itself. But he was given possibly the greatest scenario a qb could ever imagine (coach, system, franchize, o-line etc.) When hes pressured at all or when he has to throw the ball downfield hes just average. Just as he got all the glory for their wins, he needs to accept most of the blame for their losses.
 
Brady was better than Eli, apart from the brain fart for a safety to open their possession. Yes, that cost them. But Eli had receivers who made great plays all game long. The Pats had 4-5 major drops on key plays. The other goat on offense was Mankins. Almost every time the Giants beat the Pats O-line, which wasn't often, it was Mankins that gave it up. Vollmer and Light were great, as was Waters.

Not enough risk taking on offense or defense for NE. So both teams played a shortened ball control game, which limited the Patriots possessions.
Those "drops" were on awful passes. Welker and Branch were both wide open and Brady missed them. Sure they got their hands on them so they couldve caught them, but calling them drops is extreme. Even a decent pass and theyre both catches and games over. Heck if he led Branch instead of throwing it five feet behind him Branch couldve crab walked into the endzone.
 
Do you realize that in 5 of his past 6 playoff games, Tom Brady has been outplayed by Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco (in a Pats gift win) and now Eli again? The only qb he outplayed was Tim Tebow! Thats not too good.
 
Those "drops" were on awful passes. Welker and Branch were both wide open and Brady missed them. Sure they got their hands on them so they couldve caught them, but calling them drops is extreme. Even a decent pass and theyre both catches and games over. Heck if he led Branch instead of throwing it five feet behind him Branch couldve crab walked into the endzone.

Go look at that pass to Branch again. It was tipped by a defender, which is why it was not as perfect as it could be.
 
The Patriots were not great. I didn't expect them to get to the Superbowl. I can live with them not winning. What I can't stand is this myth that somehow the Giants were anything other than the 7th of 8th best team in the NFL. That's what they were, if you're kind and count the playoff performances. I don't even dislike the Giants (hate Dallas), but because they are the NY team (Jets are an afterthought) the talk is just absurd. I knew we'd see nonsense like this: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txsuperbowlgiantswrapu Honestly, I expect Philadelphia to be favored to win the division next year.
 
I hate the Pats so take my analysis as you will. BUT Brady deserves a lot of the blame for that game. He got all the glory for the first three super bowls when the Pats won by field goals that he didnt kick. The Pats D was the strenght of the team for all of the SB wins and now that the offense is the focus, they havent won. Brady missed a WIDE open Welker to ice the game. Everyone is saying Welker dropped it but Brady threw it over the wrong shoulder and made 5;8 welker spin around and jump in midair to even get his hands on it. It was an awful throw. On the last drive he had a WIDE open Branch across the middle and threw it three feet behind him. If he led him Branch is still running ala Forrest Gump. Again Branch got his hands on it so its called a drop but that was a bad throw too.

How can anyone think anything except that you're a hater?

I mean, in the first Super Bowl, Brady lead them downfield for the inning field goal in 1:20 seconds while backed up.
In Super Bowl #2, Brady broke all time Super Bowl records for yards and completions, a record that hasn't been broken to this day. You're going to give credit to Vinatieri? Do you even realize Vinatieri missed two easy field goals that game? He was 1 for 3. That game should have been over long before the very end if it weren't for Vinatieri choking early in the game. In Super Bowl #3, Vinatieri did not kick the FG in the 4th quarter. Patriots went into it with a 24-14 lead and basically took the air out of the ball. They gave up a late TD and pinned McNabb at their 2 yard line with under a minute to go.

It's just absurd for you to say offense wasn't a focus back then. Look up how the Patriots lit up the Steelers offensively back then (and needed to because the Steelers scored 30). Look up how the defense gave up 29 points in 31 minutes to Carolina, so Brady had to carry them, breaking Super Bowl records in the meantime. He was methodical against the Eagles. Even in their playoff losses in subsequent years, the Patriots put up enough points to win (34 against the Colts in the AFCCG). Brady's flubs have been in the first Super Bowl against the Giants, against the Ravens 2 years ago and against the Jets last year. He was passingly OK against the Ravens if you look at the numbers. He played well yesterday.

The Welker catch, I disagree with you about that.The Giants were in a cover 3, and the Patriots knew they had them. All Welker had to do was sit in the zone. Normally he would have thrown it inside because that's the soft spot in such a zone, but Brady saw the Giants CB and safeties were totally confused and that the CB had not come off his man to take Welker (which would have Welker coming over the middle). So the safety, seeing that, didn't break for Branch running down the sideline, and instead held his position over the middle. What should have happened is the CB should have picked up Welker and the safety should have picked up Branch. instead, the CB hugged the sideline and the safety, realizing this, never broke. That left Welker wide open. But if Brady had done the thing Welker expected him to, thrown it inside, the safety would have been in position. Instead, he threw it to the outside because he saw the CB was sticking to Branch. The problem was two things: Welker had turned his body upfield as though he was going to score. He should have just sat down in the zone and adjusted long before the ball got there. Second, Welker is short, and one of the great things about him is that he often makes those acrobatic catches, because he has to. Otherwise, he wouldn't be a star in the NFL. This is what's expected of him. A taller receiver get up there and catches that with more ease. Welker has to work harder and he usually does.

Ive always felt Brady was great, but overrated. He has played under the best coach, in the best system and for the best franchize in the league for his entire career. He has had an incredible offensive line his entire career. He backs up and has all day to scan the field and then throw 6-8 yard passes that his receivers turn into 15 or 20 yard gains. Brady was 0-14 on passes that were 20 yds or more in the air in both Super Bowls (according to Trent Dilfer). Hes obviously a great qb. His record speaks for itself. But he was given possibly the greatest scenario a qb could ever imagine (coach, system, franchize, o-line etc.) When hes pressured at all or when he has to throw the ball downfield hes just average. Just as he got all the glory for their wins, he needs to accept most of the blame for their losses.

An incredible offensive line? You have to tell the scouts that because they're the ones that skipped on drafting all the UDFAs that have fronted for Brady over his career, such immortals as Brandon Gorin, Joe Andruzzi, Stephen Neal, Dan Connolly, Mike Compton, Russ Hochstein, Gene Mruckowski, Grant Williams, and several others. If these guys were so good, how come no one drafted them? I can understand one or two bonafide UDFAs becoming stars (like Brian Waters currently) but by and large, the Patriots have had a patchwork offensive line, and when those players left the Patriots they were never heard from again. These OLs owe Brady their paychecks because his command of the pocket and his quick release makes them look really good. The only OLs drafted high by the Patriots have been Mankins, Light, Solder, and Vollmer. Prior to that, they were UDFAs.

You need to look at Brady's stats for throwing downfield prior to YAC. They are on the very high end. He started as a dink-and-dunk QB, but that was long long ago. After 2003, he's been at the top of the league throwing far downfield. As for being pressured, that too is overblown. Again, Brady's passer rating is very high when it comes to getting pressured. He thrives off of it actually since he's excellent in pocket awareness. You can get to him though and he has succumbed to pressure in the past, just like all QBs.

You're denying greatness and thinking up all sorts of excuses.
 
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