OT- NFL MVP

[superjohn]

I say this every year for the past decade or so. Why hasn't the MVP award been renamed the QB award? Myles Garrett is going to break the all-time single season sack record and he isn't even top 7 in odds to get MVP. This will be the 13th straight year they give the award to a QB while pass rushers, running backs, and receivers have been putting up historic seasons and they don't even sniff the award.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2025-nfl-mvp-odds-scenarios-has-drake-maye-closed-the-gap-on-matthew-stafford-and-who-else-could-win-award/

 

[TheHorde]

What would the Browns’ record be without Garrett? What would the Patriots’ record be without Drake Maye? What would the Rams’ record be without Matthew Stafford?

 

[Kemba15]

I agree with your general point that it shouldn’t be a QB award, but Myles can’t win it on a 3-12 team.

It should be Maye this year, unlike Stafford he doesn’t have a great supporting cost at all yet will still lead the Pats to a 1 to 2 seed

 

[superjohn]

I agree with your general point that it shouldn’t be a QB award, but Myles can’t win it on a 3-12 team.

It should be Maye this year, unlike Stafford he doesn’t have a great supporting cost at all yet will still lead the Pats to a 1 to 2 seed

I don't really see an argument for Maye. He has one more win than Stafford but the Patriots have one of the easiest schedules ever and Stafford has 40 passing TD's and 5 interceptions to Maye's 25 passing TD's and 8 interceptions +4 rushing TD's.

 

[Kemba15]

I don't really see an argument for Maye. He has one more win than Stafford but the Patriots have one of the easiest schedules ever and Stafford has 40 passing TD's and 5 interceptions to Maye's 25 passing TD's and 8 interceptions +4 rushing TD's.

It’s close to me. But Stafford has two awesome WRs, one who might be the best in the NFL, as well as elite offensive coach. That’s going to lead to better passing counting statistics. Their advanced metrics are very close, I think Maye is higher in EPA

 

[auror]

The Browns have given up the 20th most points per game and are 3-12. It doesn't seem like getting a lot of sacks is all that important. It would be like if we gave the basketball MVP to the guy with the most steals in the league.

 

[uconngb]

I say this every year for the past decade or so. Why hasn't the MVP award been renamed the QB award? Myles Garrett is going to break the all-time single season sack record and he isn't even top 7 in odds to get MVP. This will be the 13th straight year they give the award to a QB while pass rushers, running backs, and receivers have been putting up historic seasons and they don't even sniff the award.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2025-nfl-mvp-odds-scenarios-has-drake-maye-closed-the-gap-on-matthew-stafford-and-who-else-could-win-award/

Quarterback is by far and away the most important position in any team sport. It’s not even close. No single player has as much of an impact on EVERY game as the quarterback. Especially in the modern game. You may not like that, but it’s a fact. So to me it makes perfect sense why the MVP is almost exclusively a QB now.

 

[Mr. French]

Myles Garrett being the most valuable player while being on a perennial bottom 4 team certainly is an argument.

 

[superjohn]

Quarterback is by far and away the most important position in any team sport. It’s not even close. No single player has as much of an impact on EVERY game as the quarterback. Especially in the modern game. You may not like that, but it’s a fact. So to me it makes perfect sense why the MVP is almost exclusively a QB now.

So why not rename it the QB award now since they are the only players who can win it now? The quarterback was always considered the most important position but the NFL used to give the award to other position players and no longer does.

 

[NJHusky]

Quarterback is by far and away the most important position in any team sport. It’s not even close. No single player has as much of an impact on EVERY game as the quarterback. Especially in the modern game. You may not like that, but it’s a fact. So to me it makes perfect sense why the MVP is almost exclusively a QB now.

Not as much control but a hot goalie can take over a series run and propel a team to Lord Stanley’s Cup

 

[storrsroars]

SJ is probably still sore Mark Gastineau didn't win MVP.

 

[RuffRuff]

It’a Stafford or Allen. Allen is clearly the better player and likely more valuable, Stafford simply has insane stats.

 

[superjohn]

SJ is probably still sore Mark Gastineau didn't win MVP.

Nope. I was 4 or 5 years old then, I'm not a Jets fan and players other than quarterbacks won the award back then.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

It’a Stafford or Allen. Allen is clearly the better player and likely more valuable, Stafford simply has insane stats.

Allen got the MVP over Lamar last year when Lamar had literal All-Time stats. Stafford should get it this year.

 

[HooperScooper]

So why not rename it the QB award now since they are the only players who can win it now?

I'm going to guess because players who were not QBs have won the award in the past so they think it will happen again.

 

[uconngb]

Not as much control but a hot goalie can take over a series run and propel a team to Lord Stanley’s Cup

And he therefore could be the MVP for a series. Just like a pitcher could for a World Series. It not an entire season.

 

[CTBasketball]

People who recommend Drake Maye don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.

 

[uconngb]

So why not rename it the QB award now since they are the only players who can win it now? The quarterback was always considered the most important position but the NFL used to give the award to other position players and no longer does.

It’s still the MVP award. You’re just being obstinate.

 

[uconngb]

People who recommend Drake Maye don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.

Vegas has him at #2 odds. They usually know what they are doing. Guessing you are just a Patriots hater. And no, I don’t think he should get it, but he sure does deserve top 2 or 3.

 

[Mr. French]

Allen got the MVP over Lamar last year when Lamar had literal All-Time stats. Stafford should get it this year.

Allen had way better stats the prior year when Lamar won it. It’s not all about stats. Usually it’s about team success and how vital you are to that success.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Allen had way better stats the prior year when Lamar won it. It’s not all about stats. Usually it’s about team success and how vital you are to that success.

Not really, Allen was also 5th in MVP voting that year, plus he threw 18 interceptions, which is a big number for an MVP. I think the only candidate who could have qualms that season is Dak.

 

[uconngb]

Allen had way better stats the prior year when Lamar won it. It’s not all about stats. Usually it’s about team success and how vital you are to that success.

Which is kinda the definition of MVP

 

[Mr. French]

Yes really. We went over this before.

The INTs were the main thing and the team wasn’t as good. But Allen individually was awesome the prior year. Last year Allen did away with all turnovers and led a supposedly rebuilding team to 13 wins, while still scoring 40+ TDs. Ravens were good but he added weapons including the best RB of the last decade.

So there’s no rationale for giving both years to Lamar. You can’t possibly claim Lamar deserves mvp both years. There’s also no planet where he deserves 3 MVPs over 5 years.

But as far as this year Lamar has stunk and Allen is working with zero passing weapons and still incredible. Stafford makes sense as a sentimental and team success pick. Maye has been good but he’s gotten every break known to man and hasn’t been the sole reason for their season. Though he’s been excellent.

This is a season where I’d understand a guy like Taylor getting it if the Colts kept their pace and he had some awesome season. But that hasn’t happened.

I’d go with Stafford but in reality I think Allen is far more valuable to his teams success this year than Stafford has been.

 

[CTBasketball]

Vegas has him at #2 odds. They usually know what they are doing. Guessing you are just a Patriots hater. And no, I don’t think he should get it, but he sure does deserve top 2 or 3.

They are taking your money.

The Patriots have the easiest SOS within the last 5+ years and Maye’s numbers are solidly behind Stafford in yards, touchdowns, rating, and has more INT’s.

It’s 40/5 vs. 25/8. If you want to compare rushing TDs Josh Allen has him beat dead to rights. I’d say he’s 3rd but even that’s a push for me.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Yes really. We went over this before.

The INTs were the main thing and the team wasn’t as good. But Allen individually was awesome the prior year. Last year Allen did away with all turnovers and led a supposedly rebuilding team to 13 wins, while still scoring 40+ TDs. Ravens were good but he added weapons including the best RB of the last decade.

So there’s no rationale for giving both years to Lamar. You can’t possibly claim Lamar deserves mvp both years. There’s also no planet where he deserves 3 MVPs over 5 years.

But as far as this year Lamar has stunk and Allen is working with zero passing weapons and still incredible. Stafford makes sense as a sentimental and team success pick. Maye has been good but he’s gotten every break known to man and hasn’t been the sole reason for their season. Though he’s been excellent.

This is a season where I’d understand a guy like Taylor getting it if the Colts kept their pace and he had some awesome season. But that hasn’t happened.

I’d go with Stafford but in reality I think Allen is far more valuable to his teams success this year than Stafford has been.

You seem emotionally/fanatically sewn to Allen, so I assume you are a Bills fan. I am neither a Bills nor Ravens fan.

2023 simply wasn’t a season statistically to say Allen deserved the MVP. He finished 5th in MVP and 6th in OPOY. Bills were 11-6 and Ravens were 13-4.

Last year Lamar put up literal all-time numbers. Like, potentially a top-5 QB regular season ever. I don’t like the argument of “well he won the year before he shouldn’t win this year”. It has no precedent over the season in question. Josh had an incredible season last year, Lamar had a better season.