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I don't think it is possible to build out of the congestion in the SW corner. Even a new highway would only relieve it temporarily.

I do think that expanding 95 to 3 lanes all the way to the RI border would help congestion in the SE corner.
 
I don't think it is possible to build out of the congestion in the SW corner. Even a new highway would only relieve it temporarily.

I do think that expanding 95 to 3 lanes all the way to the RI border would help congestion in the SE corner.

By the time you reach RI I95 the highway turns into a dirt road made for conastoga wagon
 
I like taking the train instead of driving. All expanding the highway does is let out-of-staters pass through faster.
 
Sorry, yarders. Cuomo was the first to drive over the Bridge.

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Seems like distracted driving
 
For get about all this: Here is my question:

Why won't the state of CT address the daily almost 24 hour traffic from Bridgeport to Stamford? Norwalk area on 95 and Merritt is an absolute crawl from 1:30-8:30!!

Why can they not add a few more lanes? It can be done technically. Let's bite the bullet and really fix what needs to be fixed.

Well this was certainly a can of Connecticut worms... I've lived in mid Fairfield County since the mid 70s.. Long enough to remember tolls when 95 was called the Connecticut Turnpike... This road has always been a mess.

1. After the tolls were eliminated all the trucks that used to use 84 from and to Boston -NYC switched to 95... Free road and shorter...

2. Then Stamford bulldozed their downtown low rise apartments and built high rise commercial buildings to attract NYC companies, followed by Greenwich and Norwalk... Thus was the Fairfield County traffic jam invented...

3. No help from Hartford; they were busy collecting taxes from Fairfield County (aka The Connecticut Gold Coast) and reinvesting in the roads around Hartford, along with a football stadium for the New England Patroits... Gotta have roads there so the legislators can get to work... And gotta have a stadium so the legislators can all use the sky boxes to watch the pro football games...

4. Can't expand the width of the road because of the cost of the land purchases... Now they're talking about a road use tax...

Me? I'm moving to North Carolina... I may not like their politics but their traffic jams are five or six cars at a traffic circle... And the taxes and weather is for sure a lot better...
 
Well this was certainly a can of Connecticut worms... I've lived in mid Fairfield County since the mid 70s.. Long enough to remember tolls when 95 was called the Connecticut Turnpike... This road has always been a mess.

1. After the tolls were eliminated all the trucks that used to use 84 from and to Boston -NYC switched to 95... Free road and shorter...

2. Then Stamford bulldozed their downtown low rise apartments and built high rise commercial buildings to attract NYC companies, followed by Greenwich and Norwalk... Thus was the Fairfield County traffic jam invented...

3. No help from Hartford; they were busy collecting taxes from Fairfield County (aka The Connecticut Gold Coast) and reinvesting in the roads around Hartford, along with a football stadium for the New England Patroits... Gotta have roads there so the legislators can get to work... And gotta have a stadium so the legislators can all use the sky boxes to watch the pro football games...

4. Can't expand the width of the road because of the cost of the land purchases... Now they're talking about a road use tax...

Me? I'm moving to North Carolina... I may not like their politics but their traffic jams are five or six cars at a traffic circle... And the taxes and weather is for sure a lot better...


Ha... I guess you are moving to a rural part of NC? The beach, the mountains?
 
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Well this was certainly a can of Connecticut worms... I've lived in mid Fairfield County since the mid 70s.. Long enough to remember tolls when 95 was called the Connecticut Turnpike... This road has always been a mess.

1. After the tolls were eliminated all the trucks that used to use 84 from and to Boston -NYC switched to 95... Free road and shorter...

2. Then Stamford bulldozed their downtown low rise apartments and built high rise commercial buildings to attract NYC companies, followed by Greenwich and Norwalk... Thus was the Fairfield County traffic jam invented...

3. No help from Hartford; they were busy collecting taxes from Fairfield County (aka The Connecticut Gold Coast) and reinvesting in the roads around Hartford, along with a football stadium for the New England Patroits... Gotta have roads there so the legislators can get to work... And gotta have a stadium so the legislators can all use the sky boxes to watch the pro football games...

4. Can't expand the width of the road because of the cost of the land purchases... Now they're talking about a road use tax...

Me? I'm moving to North Carolina... I may not like their politics but their traffic jams are five or six cars at a traffic circle... And the taxes and weather is for sure a lot better...
I couldn't do it. My conscious wouldn't allow it. Some people are cool with discrimination, and some are not. I can't support states that are OK with treating some of our fellow Americans as second class citizens. Guess that's just the millennial in me talking. I think Connecticut should bring back tolls. Federal law does not allow tolling exclusively at borders, so let's have a $20 toll at borders, and then tolls of $0.01 at various spots inside of the state to satisfy federal law.
 
I couldn't do it. My conscious wouldn't allow it. Some people are cool with discrimination, and some are not. I can't support states that are OK with treating some of our fellow Americans as second class citizens. Guess that's just the millennial in me talking. I think Connecticut should bring back tolls. Federal law does not allow tolling exclusively at borders, so let's have a $20 toll at borders, and then tolls of $0.01 at various spots inside of the state to satisfy federal law.


They should just make enough highways or increase lanes on existing highways for current and projected volumes.

Why re think the wheel. Can't they just do the right thing.
 
They should just make enough highways or increase lanes on existing highways for current and projected volumes.

Why re think the wheel. Can't they just do the right thing.
Not economically feasible. Land acquisition costs are too high. Boston's Big Dig cost $26 billion. Also, no matter how expanded the roads become, they will, after a short time, be just as crowded as people switch their routes to take advantage of the lower traffic volume. For instance, right now Rt.95 in CT is a nightmare. If lanes were doubled, the problem would be eliminated in the short term. With lower traffic, more people will move in to take advantage of the quick commute. Traffic will build and be just a crowded as before.

There are parts of a highway in Houston, Tx that has 26 lanes. Imagine what it would cost to increase I95 to that many lanes.

Apparently, people don't mind the traffic. If they did they would work nights, or move to a less desirable location, work from home, etc. Tolls aren't the solution because they effect low income people to a great degree. The only answer for now is to suffer.
 
Not economically feasible. Land acquisition costs are too high. Boston's Big Dig cost $26 billion. Also, no matter how expanded the roads become, they will, after a short time, be just as crowded as people switch their routes to take advantage of the lower traffic volume. For instance, right now Rt.95 in CT is a nightmare. If lanes were doubled, the problem would be eliminated in the short term. With lower traffic, more people will move in to take advantage of the quick commute. Traffic will build and be just a crowded as before.

There are parts of a highway in Houston, Tx that has 26 lanes. Imagine what it would cost to increase I95 to that many lanes.

Apparently, people don't mind the traffic. If they did they would work nights, or move to a less desirable location, work from home, etc. Tolls aren't the solution because they effect low income people to a great degree. The only answer for now is to suffer.

People dont realize how expensive just widening a highway can become. NC is planning on widening and rebuilding a 10 mile stretch of Interstate 77 in South Charlotte .. Ive seen estimates at over 1 billion dollars... for 10 miles. :eek:
 
I suspect the train is the answer coupled with better mass transit in the local communities... The options in Norwalk, Stamford and Greenwich after the trains are putrid. In Turkey, the local communities have low priced small buses called dolmuş, ( Dolmuş - Wikipedia ), are on fixed routes, and run all day and until late into the evening.. I don't know it that would work here, but it does work there...
 
I couldn't do it. My conscious wouldn't allow it. Some people are cool with discrimination, and some are not. I can't support states that are OK with treating some of our fellow Americans as second class citizens. Guess that's just the millennial in me talking. I think Connecticut should bring back tolls. Federal law does not allow tolling exclusively at borders, so let's have a $20 toll at borders, and then tolls of $0.01 at various spots inside of the state to satisfy federal law.
Don't understand the tolling idea. I suppose you are saying you want to get the folks driving through - but, of course, even regular toll roads capture that. My wife's argument when we were in NJ was that the tolls on the NJ Turnpike should be high, to capture all the through traffic. Your scheme, it seems to me, would still capture significant tolls from residents leaving the state for daily work, and while the low tolls within the state don't penalize local drivers, the truth is that local drivers (immediate local drivers) always have the option to take side roads.

I actually like Texas's very high priced toll roads, but like many toll roads, there is a big difference between the toll you pay with an electronic toll reader and the toll you pay without.
 
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Not economically feasible. Land acquisition costs are too high. Boston's Big Dig cost $26 billion. Also, no matter how expanded the roads become, they will, after a short time, be just as crowded as people switch their routes to take advantage of the lower traffic volume. For instance, right now Rt.95 in CT is a nightmare. If lanes were doubled, the problem would be eliminated in the short term. With lower traffic, more people will move in to take advantage of the quick commute. Traffic will build and be just a crowded as before.

There are parts of a highway in Houston, Tx that has 26 lanes. Imagine what it would cost to increase I95 to that many lanes.

Apparently, people don't mind the traffic. If they did they would work nights, or move to a less desirable location, work from home, etc. Tolls aren't the solution because they effect low income people to a great degree. The only answer for now is to suffer.
Generally agree. Not only will people move to wherever their commute time is lowest, so will businesses and communities until traffic volume equalizes. The nature of CT is such that you can't build bypass routes either. We are too developed and the volume in the SW corner is too dense.

I'll disagree a bit about tolls. I do think off peak discounts makes a lot sense as a means to encourage people to stagger their schedules. When I was younger and had a long commute, used to go in early and leave late as it was basically time I would spend commuting and I'd rather be at work than sitting in car [complaining.] If people did more that commute times would improve. It's not a cure, but it helps.
 
1. For those fairfield county residents who think the all their tax money is being spent on highways in Hartford you should be aware that 80-90% of highway construction costs are paid with federal money. Furthermore, more state tax money is used to subsidize Metro-North in Fairfield County than is spent on all mass transit systems in the entire rest of the state.

I used to live in FC in the mid 70's and the traffic was horrible then, with the added problem of toll booths in Greenwich, Westport, Stratford, West Haven, etc. I used to travel from Norwich to Westport on Sunday evenings in the summer. There would be mile long lines at every toll. I would buy a pizza, have a couple of cold beers and a couple of J's ready, put a tape in my 8 track and just resign myself to a 3+ hr ride. A simpler time. ;)
 
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Flew over the Tappan Zee, old and new, on Monday returning to Florida. Traveled many times over the old one. Glad to see the new span will open soon. Glad I don't have to drive over it anymore.

Do you fly your own plane? Asked because as an air traffic controller at White Plains(HPN) for 17 years, the Tappan Zee Bridge was the VFR reporting/entry point from the west.
 
That was suggested 15 years ago. Then the cost of that was estimated and the idea was quickly abandoned.


Sure we can put a man on the moon and construct a probe(voyager 1 and 2) what we communicate with that is in interstellar space via 1970's tech and we cannot fix I95. Yeah.. Makes sense.
 
Sure we can put a man on the moon and construct a probe(voyager 1 and 2) what we communicate with that is in interstellar space via 1970's tech and we cannot fix I95. Yeah.. Makes sense.

But think of how much it cost to put that man on the moon and to construct the two voyagers.
 
But think of how much it cost to put that man on the moon and to construct the two voyagers.

Exactly. But think about all the happy travelers like me if we fixed stamford to Bridgeport. Worth any price tag ha. We surely pay enough taxes
 
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No. Our politicians have bankrupted the state. If you adjust for the true cost of the pensions, the deficit is almost unfixable.
to true. The state of Connecticut's combined state and municipal bonded debt as a percentage of gross state product ranks Connecticut #27 among the fifty states. The quirk of Connecticut is that it is one of just two states without functioning county-level government. That has meant that a number of functions that would normally be performed by counties, or county-level school districts, are pushed up to the state level. So while the state looks more debt-heavy than other states, the municipalities are far less debt-heavy, and operate far smaller governments relative to population. That's the flip side of the fiscal coin.

Nearly a quarter of Connecticut's total debt was for school construction, which would almost never show up at the state government level. Another 10% went for a pension obligation bond to shore up the teachers pension fund, again bonded debt and pension debt that only shows up in one other state- New Jersey. That's why, faced with a deficit, Governor Malloy suggested that the municipalities begin to pick up a portion of the required contributions to the teachers pension fund, a contribution, I might add, that takes up 7% of the state's budget. And that is something that only shows up in one other state's budget- again, New Jersey.

So Connecticut is far, FAR, from bankrupt. And the notion that it is in any way "bankrupt" is absolutely false.
 
1. For those fairfield county residents who think the all their tax money is being spent on highways in Hartford you should be aware that 80-90% of highway construction costs are paid with federal money. Furthermore, more state tax money is used to subsidize Metro-North in Fairfield County than is spent on all mass transit systems in the entire rest of the state.

I used to live in FC in the mid 70's and the traffic was horrible then, with the added problem of toll booths in Greenwich, Westport, Stratford, West Haven, etc. I used to travel from Norwich to Westport on Sunday evenings in the summer. There would be mile long lines at every toll. I would buy a pizza, have a couple of cold beers and a couple of J's ready, put a tape in my 8 track and just resign myself to a 3+ hr ride. A simpler time. ;)

It's true that the state contributes nearly a quarter of a billion dollars a year toward the operation and capital requirements of Metro North. It is a subsidy that wealthy Fairfield County residents conveniently choose to ignore when complaining about all the money they/we send to Hartford. But the rest of the state benefits by reducing dramatically ware and tear on the road system. But Metro North is given a meager subsidy by the federal government, while passenger rail systems in the rest of the world are granted far greater subsidies.

I went across the Tappan Zee last night, though going east, so on the old span.

PS Do you know why the Tappan Zee was built where it is, across the widest expanse of the Hudson River? Because that is the closest point to New York that would keep it out of the jurisdiction of the Port Authority, which has control of all crossing points and airports within a 25-mile radius of the Statue of Liberty. The Tappan Zee is slightly farther away. Governor Dewey wanted the revenues from the Tappan Zee to pay for other state roads. That's also why the new span was built on the northern side of the old span, and not the southern side. To keep it out of the clutches of the Port Authority.
 
Well this was certainly a can of Connecticut worms... I've lived in mid Fairfield County since the mid 70s.. Long enough to remember tolls when 95 was called the Connecticut Turnpike... This road has always been a mess.

1. After the tolls were eliminated all the trucks that used to use 84 from and to Boston -NYC switched to 95... Free road and shorter...

2. Then Stamford bulldozed their downtown low rise apartments and built high rise commercial buildings to attract NYC companies, followed by Greenwich and Norwalk... Thus was the Fairfield County traffic jam invented...

3. No help from Hartford; they were busy collecting taxes from Fairfield County (aka The Connecticut Gold Coast) and reinvesting in the roads around Hartford, along with a football stadium for the New England Patroits... Gotta have roads there so the legislators can get to work... And gotta have a stadium so the legislators can all use the sky boxes to watch the pro football games...

4. Can't expand the width of the road because of the cost of the land purchases... Now they're talking about a road use tax...

Me? I'm moving to North Carolina... I may not like their politics but their traffic jams are five or six cars at a traffic circle... And the taxes and weather is for sure a lot better...

Connecticut is the only state on the East Coast that doesn't collect tolls on its interstate roads. And that is a critical reason why our roads and bridges are in such a poor state of repair: we don't have toll revenues to pay for their repair and upkeep. While Nutmeggers would be taxed, we would also bring in an estimated third of a billion dollars a year from out-of-state drivers and trucks using our roads now for free- and contributing to their degradation by overuse.

Might be interested to know that there are more residents of New York using Metro North to come into Greenwich and other Fairfield County financial centers, than there are Fairfield County residents using mass transit to go into New York City. So Metro North benefits Connecticut by bringing in labor from outside.
 
Connecticut is the only state on the East Coast that doesn't collect tolls on its interstate roads.

I'm sure you meant in the NE coast, not East Coast... NC and SC don't have tolls on a number of their interstate highways... RI comes to mind, but they may have tolls on bridges...
 
I'm sure you meant in the NE coast, not East Coast... NC and SC don't have tolls on a number of their interstate highways... RI comes to mind, but they may have tolls on bridges...

I believe I meant East Coast. Though they might not have them on all, they have them on some.
 
Connecticut is the only state on the East Coast that doesn't collect tolls on its interstate roads.

So Metro North benefits Connecticut by bringing in labor from outside.

If I remember correctly toll roads lost their appeal after that terrible accident at a toll booth on the Ct Turnpike many years ago
 
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