OT - New Baylor Lawsuit.

[WestCoastHusky]

It's college. Everyone gets drunk. Only women are told they aren't allowed to.

When my sister was sexually assaulted in college, she wasn't drunk. She wasn't wearing revealing clothing. She was just on a date.

My girlfriend was assaulted by a professor. She was neither drunk nor wearing revealing clothing. But luckily, the professor called her a liar and the University backed him so hey, no harm, right? If only she'd maybe dress even LESS sexy? Or maybe never gotten drunk in her entire life? Then maybe?

This whole idea that women need to never get drunk and not dress a certain way is garbage. Rapists don't care. They view women as objects meant for pleasure, and society reinforces that by reducing women to their value as visual pleasure.

At the end of the day, the onus is on society to teach men that women are actual human beings who don't owe you anything and are entitled to get as drunk as anybody and wear what they want.

I am sorry to hear about your sister and girlfriend. It is very unfortunate we live in a society that promotes this kind of behavior from men. The movies and TV shows constantly promote this behavior. America just voted in a president who behaves exactly opposite of how men should behave toward women. I don't care about Trump, but the election says more about where we are as a society.

 

[Stray_Dog]

I am sorry to hear about your sister and girlfriend. It is very unfortunate we live in a society that promotes this kind of behavior from men. The movies and TV shows constantly promote this behavior. America just voted in a president who behaves exactly opposite of how men should behave toward women. I don't care about Trump, but the election says more about where we are as a society.

Your comment about Trump belongs in the cess pool. I voted for Trump and I like to respect women. No woman should be taken advantage of. ...but I'm old school, I hold a door open for a woman, and half the time I'm told by the woman, I can do it myself. I usually respond with, I'm sure you can, but I was doing it to be nice not to show caveman strength, oh wait caves don't have doors! Try to have a nice day, you look better when you smile!

 

[shizzle787]

Could Baylor get the death penalty? This is arguably worse than Penn State because everyone involved covered it up. If Baylor getting kicked out of the Big 12 is what it takes for us to go P5, I won't complain.

 

[FDNY99]

Could Baylor get the death penalty? This is arguably worse than Penn State because everyone involved covered it up.

Baylor may get the death penalty by default if the Feds hit them hard in their Title IX investigation.

 

[shizzle787]

Baylor may get the death penalty by default if the Feds hit them hard in their Title IX investigation.

The question then becomes would the Big 12 kick them out and could Baylor legitimately fight it?

 

[J187Money]

I want to live in a world where women, like men, can wear whatever they want and get drunk and not be sexually assaulted. I hope you tell any son(s) you have that women are not sending "signals" about advances and that they are to be respected no matter how they dress or how drunk they are.

Your kids are going to get drunk. It's college. Let's teach our men about consent.

Trust me - I've had that conversation with my son who is heading off to college next year. Doesn't mean I won't tell my niece everything that BlueDogs said. We live in the actual world, not the world we want to live in.

And unfortunately, the ramifications of sexual assault (knowing many women that have been through it) echo throughout everything that happens for the rest of their lives. Better safe than sorry.

 

[J187Money]

I would add - that without targeting young women specifically, the best advice that I give (including to 45 year old married guys) is this:

If you proactively keep yourself out of risky situations, more likely than not you will avoid bad things from happening. This is not a cure-all, but rather common sense.

- If a 45 year old married guy spends his time on business trips hanging out in hotel bars till 1am, it is more likely he will cheat on his wife
- If someone drives home from a bar after a few drinks and is only "buzzed", it is more likely that he/she will get in an accident or get pulled over
- If someone goes to buy drugs in the north end of Hartford at 2am, it is more likely that they will get the crap beat out of them and they will get robbed
- If a college girl is out, alone, drunk, at 2am - lots of bad things can happen

What I talk to my boys about all of the time - is to be cognizant of the world and how it works, and what situation you find yourself in. Make good decisions. You can't control what other people do, so you have to proactively ensure good outcomes by managing your own behavior. That's life. I worry about outcomes. I'd like the process to be different, but I'm not god.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

If a college girl is out, alone, drunk, at 2am - lots of bad things can happen

The point I want to make, and then I'll leave it alone, is that the situation you've fabricated, where a woman is walking alone at night and is abducted by some stranger, is not typical. Over 80% of assaults are by people the victim knew, often either in their house or the perpetrator's house.

These are people they know. People you know. People you might think are alright. But maybe they make mildly misogynistic remarks and you think it's not a big deal and we let it go. I don't know.

The point is, we need to stop thinking about "Stranger Danger" and realize that most people who commit these crimes are friends and colleagues and professors and others who have come to believe that women are not "real" people, that they are not valuable for their minds and their personalities and their ambitions and dreams.

I see things on the Boneyard regularly where the only time we discuss women is to value their appearance. That's what people mean when they say "rape culture." It's all connected. When we, as a society, value women only for what they can give to men, whether their appearance or status, then we should not act surprised that many men out there don't value them as the autonomous, free-willed people they are.

 

[J187Money]

The point I want to make, and then I'll leave it alone, is that the situation you've fabricated, where a woman is walking alone at night and is abducted by some stranger, is not typical. Over 80% of assaults are by people the victim knew, often either in their house or the perpetrator's house.

These are people they know. People you know. People you might think are alright. But maybe they make mildly misogynistic remarks and you think it's not a big deal and we let it go. I don't know.

The point is, we need to stop thinking about "Stranger Danger" and realize that most people who commit these crimes are friends and colleagues and professors and others who have come to believe that women are not "real" people, that they are not valuable for their minds and their personalities and their ambitions and dreams.

I see things on the Boneyard regularly where the only time we discuss women is to value their appearance. That's what people mean when they say "rape culture." It's all connected. When we, as a society, value women only for what they can give to men, whether their appearance or status, then we should not act surprised that many men out there don't value them as the autonomous, free-willed people they are.

You aren't wrong. And I have exactly those discussions with my kids. And they see the way I treat their mother and other women, so I don't set bad examples for them.

But I wasn't specifically talking about strangers. What I will tell my niece is this: being anywhere drunk at 2am other than being alone in your own bed with a locked door is an invitation to trouble. Because you can't control other people's behavior. And if you think you can trust some guy you are dating, someone from the dorm, some guy you met at a frat party that "seems" like a nice guy - you are sorely mistaken.

 

[huskymedic]

Houston Chronicle: Truth doesn't lie, and Baylor regents say Art Briles did

 

[shizzle787]

Given that this is Baylor's second brutal criminal scandal, they should be kicked out of the NCAA and should join the NCCAA to actually learn what it means to be a Christian university.

 

[shizzle787]

From the article:
Another time, Colin Shillinglaw (the former assistant athletic director who filed the most recent defamation action against the regents) texted Briles that one of his players who got a massage in a spa exposed himself to the masseuse and asked for "favors." Briles responded and asked if the woman was a stripper and, when told she was not, responded "Not as bad."

There are other examples of players who were doing drugs, selling drugs, pulling a gun on another student, assaulting another student. Briles' responses via text and e-mail all show he was allowing his players to act above the law. He never pursued proper disciplinary actions against any of them.

 

[huskymedic]

Houston Chronicle: Truth doesn't lie, and Baylor regents say Art Briles did

ESPN: Docs: Briles, staff buried player misbehavior

 

[Johnny Mac]

Baylor may get the death penalty by default if the Feds hit them hard in their Title IX investigation.

I don't envision this administration doing that.

 

[Jimdish255]

Unfortunately this provides a great opportunity for the NCAA to slide the UNC scandal under the rug once and for all and then give Baylor a 1 year Bowl ban.

 

[freescooter]

Unfortunately this provides a great opportunity for the NCAA to slide the UNC scandal under the rug once and for all and then give Baylor a 1 year Bowl ban.

And they'll probably make it retroactive to 1987, too.

 

[Chuck]

Unfortunately this provides a great opportunity for the NCAA to slide the UNC scandal under the rug once and for all and then give Baylor a 1 year Bowl ban.

Not sure there will even be a bowl ban... unless Baylor was having a bad year and wasn't going to make a bowl.

NCAA enforcement is dead against the big schools. The reason UConn got screwed is we fit under a black letter rule (and I do think there is something to the Emmert hate and JC wasn't a "beloved" coach). Go below "x" APR and you get "y" punishment. Granted they changed the rule on us, but it was a tangible objective rule that allowed an easy hit for the NCAA. Any principles-based rule, or anything that requires evidence, is a non-starter with the NCAA at this point. UNC will walk, Baylor will walk, PSU and USC would walk if their transgressions happened today.

Until the big schools themselves start pressuring the NCAA to enforce rules, nothing is going to happen. That's already what is going on. The SEC got pissed at Harbaugh (literally) moving into their backyard... so a rule got changed. Other than such a direct impact on an entire conference, however, the P5 conferences aren't going to let their schools make a big deal, because each conference has had a rogue program that should be on life support (UNC/Miami, PSU, USC, Baylor, the whole SEC).

Since I'm on a roll, I also don't agree with the general claim that when Baylor cheats, Texas State (or another small school) gets punished. The NCAA has left a lot of these schools alone since they don't get positive PR out of the punishment. Look at how all of the small schools that violated the APR got waivers. I think the AAC, MAC, and Big East teams are the ones that need to watch out. They are big enough for people to care, but not rich enough to make the NCAA's life miserable.

 

[huskymedic]

Attorney: Former Baylor AD acted 'responsibly' when told of Kavanaughed accusation

 

[huskymedic]

ESPN: ‪ OTL: NCAA inquiry into Baylor scandal ongoing

>>Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby, speaking Friday while at a regularly scheduled conference board meeting in Dallas, said the scandal at the Baptist university in Waco, Texas, "just continues to ooze."<<

 

[huskymedic]

Bob Bowlsby: Big 12 concerned about continuing disclosures in Baylor scandal fallout | SportsDay

 

[whaler11]

I don't think I've ever had anyone I held a door for male or female tell me they can do it themselves.

That must be weird to have it happen all the time.

 

[Jimdish255]

Trying to reconcile this:

ESPN reported Friday that NCAA enforcement personnel have interviewed former Baylor administrators and sexual assault victims at the school to see if any NCAA rules may have been broken. Because the Big 12 doesn't have an investigative arm, Bowlsby said the conference would defer to the NCAA on any inquiry into possible rules violations.

With This:

"The football program was a black hole into which reports of misconduct such as drug use, physical assault, domestic violence, brandishing of guns, indecent exposure and academic fraud disappeared," the court filing said.

Does the second finding not make the answer to the first question self-evident? If NCAA rules do not expressly prohibit the above malfeasance what do they prohibit?

 

[huskymedic]

Trying to reconcile this:



With This:



Does the second finding not make the answer to the first question self-evident? If NCAA rules do not expressly prohibit the above malfeasance what do they prohibit?

Maybe in due time (or not)... lawsuit allegations do not necessarily equal actionable facts. The sooner the better tho' (can dream no?).

 

[noeynox]

Trying to reconcile this:



With This:



Does the second finding not make the answer to the first question self-evident? If NCAA rules do not expressly prohibit the above malfeasance what do they prohibit?

Too much cream cheese on a bagel.

 

[uconnell]

Too much cream cheese on a bagel.

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[Adios]

All we gotta do is invent some camera that women (and kids and elders) can wear on the top of their heads...

 

[CL82]

All we gotta do is invent some camera that women (and kids and elders) can wear on the top of their heads...

GoPro?

 

[junglehusky]

I would add - that without targeting young women specifically, the best advice that I give (including to 45 year old married guys) is this:

If you proactively keep yourself out of risky situations, more likely than not you will avoid bad things from happening. This is not a cure-all, but rather common sense.

- If a 45 year old married guy spends his time on business trips hanging out in hotel bars till 1am, it is more likely he will cheat on his wife
- If someone drives home from a bar after a few drinks and is only "buzzed", it is more likely that he/she will get in an accident or get pulled over
- If someone goes to buy drugs in the north end of Hartford at 2am, it is more likely that they will get the crap beat out of them and they will get robbed
- If a college girl is out, alone, drunk, at 2am - lots of bad things can happen

What I talk to my boys about all of the time - is to be cognizant of the world and how it works, and what situation you find yourself in. Make good decisions. You can't control what other people do, so you have to proactively ensure good outcomes by managing your own behavior. That's life. I worry about outcomes. I'd like the process to be different, but I'm not god.

It's true that you can't control other people's actions. It's also a valid point that you can think about the risks of different situations especially involving alcohol or other substances. But in the end, the situations you cited just reinforce the mental framing that people who are in those situations deserve what's coming to them. We want the world to be an ordered, non-random place where the good are rewarded and the wicked are punished. Karma. That's okay (and very common) to want that world, but I think some people want to believe it so bad that when they see bad things happen they retroactively apply karmic logic, instead of questioning whether the world really operates that way.

On one hand, "control what you can control" is a reasonable, pragmatic approach to life and coping with a chaotic world. But I think it's worth challenging ourselves to ask is there anything we can do to influence the culture and maybe reduce some of the risks of those behaviors as well.

 

[huskymedic]

Bad water down there...

 

[shizzle787]

Bad water down there...

I was just going to post this. This is embarassing.