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upstater said:
She admitted to consenting with 2 of them.

Her complaint apparently is about the rest.
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That's a different narrative than is described in the linked article. I feel like it is inappropriate to try parse what did or did not happen on the BY, so I won't but I understand where the players are coming from.
 
Player protest worked for Mizzou.
 
upstater said:
5. At many universities, the student code of conduct forbids you from having sex with an intoxicated person (yes, this puts a different light on the college experiences of anyone over 30!)...
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Not at the Ville! In fact, it's encouraged by several head coaches.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
....you think that matters?

Option B) would not violate FERPA, but even if it did...
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Not FERPA. But the Clery Act. Some of this behavior is criminalized. Graham Spanier's case still hasn't been completed.
 
CL82 said:
That's a different narrative than is described in the linked article. I feel like it is inappropriate to try parse what did or did not happen on the BY, so I won't but I understand where the players are coming from.
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There are plenty more in depth articles.

She consented with 2 players. Other players then became involved.
 
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upstater said:
There are plenty more in depth articles.

She consented with 2 players. Other players then became involved.
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The video that was obtained, says otherwise. At the time, she was more than happy to accomidate the four. Hence the legal investigation was dropped.
 
The players are going to learn some valuable lessons in right to assemble, right to have grievances addressed and the right of the university to review scholarships each year. And all of those actions are interdependent.

The players position to the administration boils down to "Violate federal law or we ain't playing".
 
Last spring there was a somewhat similar thing going on with the Minnesota men's basketball team where three of the teammates were benched(not sure about suspended) for posting a video in which at least two of them were having sex with a woman but all three were somehow involved. I assume one of the three was holding the camera. So less than a year later 10 members of the football team are involved in similar activities but this time complaints were filed. I can see why the University would want to send the message to it's athletes, "Knock it off! Your making the school look bad". If they don't then you open up a can of worms with the rest of the school population. Ugly situation for sure.
 
Fishy said:
UConn is ready, willing and able to step into Minnesota's shoes.

Say the word.
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The absolute last thing this world needs is 3 UConn/Missouri games in three years. The last one tried to set the sport back 5 decades.
 
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And just like that they have stopped boycotting and they are going to play.
 
polycom said:
And just like that they have stopped boycotting and they are going to play.
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Life lessons learned...

Gophers players end boycott of football; preparing to play in bowl game

>>“As a team, we understand that what has occurred these past few days, and playing football for the University of Minnesota, is larger than just us. ...

“We now ask that you, the members of the media, our fans, and the general public hold all of us accountable for ensuring that our teammates are treated fairly, along with any and all victims of sexual assault. We also ask that the public dialogue related to the apparent lack of due process in a university system is openly discussed and evaluated.

“As football players, we know that we represent this University and this state and that we are held to a higher standard. We want to express our deepest gratitude to our coaching staff and so many others for their support during this difficult time, and we hope that our fans and community understand why we took the actions that we did.

“Our thoughts and prayers are for the well-being of the woman involved in the original incident, and for our 10 teammates to ensure that they are treated fairly. We look forward to representing the University of Minnesota and the state of Minnesota in the Holiday Bowl in a way that makes all of you proud.”<<
 
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SubbaBub said:
The issue here is a good one. Because of Title IX, the NCAA, and the way the media jumps on these stories should they be "covered up" puts universities in a tough spot. Their response following and endless string of high profile cases is to throw the accusee players under the bus. Off the team, out of school (Yale) on solely the accusation by another student before any investigation by law enforcement.

Quite frankly, it's wrong. Schools desprate to avoid being labeled as a place where high levels of crime occur do everything they can to avoid police involvement. In the past this meant covering it up. Now that Title IX is being misused to hit them over the head the reaction has been to remove the accused before any investigation occurs and even falsifying evidence when one does occur.

What they should do is not get involved at all if there is a complaint that a crime has been committed and let the police handle it.

The Rolling Stone backlash was all about this. UM is thinking we don't want to be accused of behaving like Baylor.

If 10 players were involved in a sexual assault it should come though as true or not rather quickly. Once the corrupt DA in the Duke case was out of the picture, that case collapsed immediately.

Good for the players for defending due process regardless of the outcome of the case.
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This. Title 9 has taken away any semblance of due process for the accused. Now it's guilty until proven innocent
 
Now that the players have shown they don't have balls, the school should do the right thing (ha) and withdraw from the game
 
crewbear742 said:
To quote Emily Litella: "Never mind."

It's amazing what can be accomplished by a document placed in the public record.
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Spot on: Gophers coach Tracy Claeys told players 'great chance' he could lose his job over boycott

>>The university's Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action report came into wide public view Friday afternoon when it was first obtained and published by KSTP-TV. The EOAA report, the result of the school's federally mandated investigation of the alleged sexual assault, described in deep detail how a female student and more than 10 men were involved in an incident in the early morning of Sept. 2, hours after the Gophers' first game of the season.

Sources said the players absorbing the detailed report for the first time was a main factor in ending the boycott. "Once they read the report," one source said, the "narrative" of the boycott changed.<<
 
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It's an impossible spot at this point.

In the smartphone age if I were in college I would obtain video evidence of consent.

The issue becomes they now say if someone is drinking they can't consent.

Rapists need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - but the standard can't be regret.
 
sammydabiz said:
The video that was obtained, says otherwise. At the time, she was more than happy to accomidate the four. Hence the legal investigation was dropped.
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They had 2 to 4 seconds of video in one clip, 90 seconds of video in the other.

The whole thing went on over many, many hours.
 
whaler11 said:
It's an impossible spot at this point.

In the smartphone age if I were in college I would obtain video evidence of consent.

The issue becomes they now say if someone is drinking they can't consent.

Rapists need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - but the standard can't be regret.
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Where are you getting regret? Being forcibly held down after saying you don't want sex doesn't sound like regret to me.
 
upstater said:
Where are you getting regret? Being forcibly held down after saying you don't want sex doesn't sound like regret to me.
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I wasn't talking about this case obviously.
 
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