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BlueDogs said:
You judge by actions not talk, buddy... we "fogies" have been around the block and might know a few things, but you wiseguys have all the answers, right. It's clear I've got a few years of life on you.
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I don't think there's much I can gain from "grunt grunt, be a man, kids today are such pansies, grunt grunt".
 
One might also note that Christian McCaffrey is technically "quitting" school, although I suspect he will complete his degree at some point in the future. But in his case, that isn't really a problem. No one is going to jump on him for that decision because he is going to make good money in the NFL. That will allow him the luxury of completing his degree on his own schedule. Really what this is about is assuming a different set of responsibilities. He has chosen to put college behind him and move into the professional world. That means he has to put college responsibilities behind him.
 
Reading this thread reminded me of some good news.

Only about 8 1/2 months until the 2017 season starts. Yay! :(
 
This is the value of a Stanford education.

Stanford is currently in 6th place in average earnings of graduates within 5 years of graduating - which is a huge selling point for any college's administration, especially in the upper tier. McCaffrey's earnings will help push that number up. So you could look at this as he actually is doing the school a favor.
 
So if Kemba had decided to walk away after the Big East Tournement to preserve his health, or even better if Okafor who actually did have back issues, had said "I don't want to risk further injury that might hurt my draft place." and sat out the Tourney, all you guys would have been fine with that decision. Sure you would.
 
freescooter said:
So if Kemba had decided to walk away after the Big East Tournement to preserve his health, or even better if Okafor who actually did have back issues, had said "I don't want to risk further injury that might hurt my draft place." and sat out the Tourney, all you guys would have been fine with that decision. Sure you would.
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Apples and Oranges. You can't compare the situation. Unless you say after the Big East Kemba decided not to play the NIT. Even still it's different because basketball is exponentially less physically taxing than a RB in football.

McCaffrey has nothing to play for it isn't like he is deciding to sit out a playoff game, it's to a random bowl game. Why do we even have all of these bowls games other than to make money for the sponsors/schools?
 
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In addition to all the obvious reasons already posted to why this makes sense for McCaffrey, the second tier bowl games are not beneficial to Seniors or kids leaving early for the NFL. Listen to any coaches explanation as to why they love bowl games and a vast majority of them are to get more practice time in the season to develop players. Those additional 3-6 weeks of practice are used to work with young players and get them live reps before Spring ball begins. McCaffrey has nothing left to prove in a meaningless game and would likely get very few reps during the teams additional practices to get better. This doesn't set a bad precident with future players because how many are in the situation where they will be a first round draft pick with literally nothing left to prove. He is not a top 10 draft pick, but his production in the Sun Bowl will not have any impact cone draft time. Anyone who is a boarder line first rounder or second rounder+ will play this game to try to enhance their stock.

And how many basketball players can be named by playing in one last game got hurt and jeopordized their draft position and future earnings because of injury? There are several we can name in football and unlike other sports, nothing is guaranteed in the NFL unlike other professional sports.

He is making a business decision in what has become a very business like sport, college football.
 
freescooter said:
So if Kemba had decided to walk away after the Big East Tournement to preserve his health, or even better if Okafor who actually did have back issues, had said "I don't want to risk further injury that might hurt my draft place." and sat out the Tourney, all you guys would have been fine with that decision. Sure you would.
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Big difference between National championship tourney run and a meaningless bowl game.
If Stanford was in the National football playoff picture, the scenario changes dramatically.
IMO, you are confusing apples and oranges.
 
polycom said:
Apples and Oranges. You can't compare the situation. Unless you say after the Big East Kemba decided not to play the NIT. Even still it's different because basketball is exponentially less physically taxing than a RB in football.

McCaffrey has nothing to play for it isn't like he is deciding to sit out a playoff game, it's to a random bowl game. Why do we even have all of these bowls games other than to make money for the sponsors/schools?
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That's an excuse but the principal is the same.
 
freescooter said:
That's an excuse but the principal is the same.
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Not an excuse at all, all but three bowl games are meaningless exhibitions. The team has literally nothing to play for besides a participation trophy. Kemba would be sitting out the culmination of his team's season where they actually have everything in the world to play for and it's an enormous showcase for his draft stock. Yes, you can help your draft stock in a bowl game, but it being one game instead of multiple like the NCAA tournament makes it much less impactful.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Fournette is doing the same thing. And McCraffey isn't going top 10. Kiper has him at 28 and the 4th best RB. He should be a first round pick, maybe top 20. But most would be shocked if he went in the top 10.
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I will be shocked if he goes in the first round. Strangely, I think his versatility may hurt him. Is he a Running Back, a Slot Receiver, or a utility guy? Is he Wes Welker or Darren Sproles? If his career matches either of those players he will have had a good career. But I doubt anyone would take Welker or Sproles with a first round pick if they could go back in time.

As for skipping the bowl game, I doubt I would do it....but I have no problem with him and Fournette doing so. Schools treat these kids like commodities. Can't blame them when they start acting like commodities. Coaches leave during bowl season all the time. Most scholarships are still one year deals. Why should the players be held to a higher standard?
 
Personally, I don't see the bowls as meaningless. It's the only time that we get to see the high and mighty SEC play a non-con schedule that isn't cherry picked.
 
Husker Husky said:
Personally, I don't see the bowls as meaningless. It's the only time that we get to see the high and mighty SEC play a non-con schedule that isn't cherry picked.
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Well played.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
I will be shocked if he goes in the first round. Strangely, I think his versatility may hurt him. Is he a Running Back, a Slot Receiver, or a utility guy? Is he Wes Welker or Darren Sproles? If his career matches either of those players he will have had a good career. But I doubt anyone would take Welker or Sproles with a first round pick if they could go back in time.

As for skipping the bowl game, I doubt I would do it....but I have no problem with him and Fournette doing so. Schools treat these kids like commodities. Can't blame them when they start acting like commodities. Coaches leave during bowl season all the time. Most scholarships are still one year deals. Why should the players be held to a higher standard?
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I've seen him projected anywhere from 15+/- to late first round.

And based on NCAA bylaws (unless they've changed very recently) ALL scholarships are one year deals.
 
BlueDogs said:
Your response is not shocking. It's shows you don't even understand the concept. Being a person of character is a matter of personal integrity. It has nothing to do with pleasing a guy on a message board. It has everything to do whether your word means anything. Some times you make commitments that become really painful to keep and that's when your character is tested. The truth is without character, it doesn't matter how wealthy you are. You're diminished and no amount of money fixes that. But, understanding that is the difference between older generations and newer ones. The team plays to win as a team. There are kids on that team that played their hearts out that will never have a chance to play pro but still put their bodies on the line for that kid to be a hero. Why do they have to lose their best player and walk away with a loss so he doesn't have to risk being hurt? Why is he any better than the last player on that bench that showed up every practice to get the Shiite kicked out if him playing scout team? No, this is self centered materialism at its worst. The kid is a loser.
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While I don't disagree with your points, I think you've greatly oversimplified what could be a complex situation. You keep talking about commitment to his team as if that existed in some kind of bubble; as if he wasn't a member of some other team such as his family. Maybe those folks have supported him since before he was a college player. Maybe they made sacrifices to promote his success and are now counting on him for financial support. Your assumption that his decision is based on personal greed is insulting to the player and could be completely wrong. Are you a mind reader? I know I'm not. So what if he plays in the bowl game and gets hurt? Who suffers? The NCAA? Nope. The school? Nope. They got their pound of flesh. Now the scenario is a little more complicated than the one you painted. Maybe he has to chose between loyalties to 2 different teams; family or school. Not a pleasant decision to make, and for all we know the kid may be suffering with his choice. But for me the only "manly" choice in the scenario I described is obvious.

I actually like the idea another poster had a bout the school indemnifying him for potential lost income. Perfect solution. If they want him to play in the game so badly then let them pony up. Better yet, if the NCAA is counting on his name to bring money/interest/viewers then let them split the insurance tab with the school. Clearly the only interests that gain from his participation are the school and the NCAA. So let hem share the risk with the player. If they're not interested in that then I don't see why the kid should be expected to assume all of the risk.
 
Why only skip the bowl games, why not skip the last couple games of the year as well if your school already has two losses and you are a projected 1st round pick?

I could see this kid falling to the Pats late in the 1st round..although Denver will be under pressure to take their local kid and son of a former player. As a Giants fan, I don't want him - we have Odell and have other needs to fill.
 
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James Conner is playing his team's bowl game in hopes he moves up the draft chart with his performance.

His situation is not the same as the other two - they have nothing to gain. Conner does.

Conner is currently the 14th ranked back in the draft. He should be at least top 10 if not higher. Kid is a stud. If he hadn't lost last year to cancer, he'd have been a Heisman candidate, IMO. Whatever team gets him is gonna get a steal.
 
I fully support Fournette & McCaffrey skipping their meaningless bowl games to focus on the draft.

My only issue is that people don't get to call them team players.
 
If you are on a team you play until the season is over. That simple. Without Stanford football he isn't going to the NFL. This idea that nobody has any responsibility to anyone beyond himself is really a pretty sad state of affairs. At some point taking it to its logical conclusion you'll see players sitting out regular season games especially if they are either out of contention or losing. Why make an effort if you can't go on to the conference title/final four. Bett r quit on your team mates so you don't risk getting hurt and maybe lower your draft place.
 
huskymedic said:
Feldman: Christian McCaffrey and Leonard Fournette are the beginning of a bowl-skipping trend

USAT: Enough: McCaffrey is a team player, and skipping bowl is right for him

NYT:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/s...an-mccaffrey-stanford-skip-sun-bowl.html?_r=0
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Bowl skipping trend will become the norm for potential draft picks and maybe it is a good thing. For many of the players coming out of college,
the contract they sign might be their first and last.

The trend: When was the last time you saw Tom Brady at the Pro bowl?
The NBA All star game is a total offensive "show" with little contact....
The change of format for the NFL Pro Bowl

Maybe the end result is this: ESPN loses enough $$$ in the meaningless bowl games that the championship playoff is expanded from
4 teams to 8 teams (or 16 teams where every conference with 5 other at large teams).

FOLLOW THE $$ trail and that is the future.
 
Colt house75 said:
Bowl skipping trend will become the norm for potential draft picks and maybe it is a good thing. For many of the players coming out of college,
the contract they sign might be their first and last.

The trend: When was the last time you saw Tom Brady at the Pro bowl?
The NBA All star game is a total offensive "show" with little contact....
The change of format for the NFL Pro Bowl

Maybe the end result is this: ESPN loses enough $$$ in the meaningless bowl games that the championship playoff is expanded from
4 teams to 8 teams (or 16 teams where every conference with 5 other at large teams).

FOLLOW THE $$ trail and that is the future.
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Exactly. And conversely, if pulling out of 2nd and 3rd tier bowl games begins to affect the earning power of those players, they'll stop doing it. So the onus is really on the NFL and how much value they place on a prospect being a "stand-up teammate", or if they're simply looking to draft another slab of meat to put thru the processor.

It's probably always going to be the latter, but it's nice to think that this could backfire on the McCaffrey's of the world.
 
Exit 4 said:
Why only skip the bowl games, why not skip the last couple games of the year as well if your school already has two losses and you are a projected 1st round pick?

I could see this kid falling to the Pats late in the 1st round..although Denver will be under pressure to take their local kid and son of a former player. As a Giants fan, I don't want him - we have Odell and have other needs to fill.
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Good thing you post on a message board and you aren't the Giants GM.
 
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polycom said:
Good thing you post on a message board and you aren't the Giants GM.
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The kid will be an injury machine. Lets circle back in 3 years. I want the best available of the following positions: OT, TE, DE or MLB in round 1.
 
freescooter said:
If you are on a team you play until the season is over. That simple. Without Stanford football he isn't going to the NFL. This idea that nobody has any responsibility to anyone beyond himself is really a pretty sad state of affairs. At some point taking it to its logical conclusion you'll see players sitting out regular season games especially if they are either out of contention or losing. Why make an effort if you can't go on to the conference title/final four. Bett r quit on your team mates so you don't risk getting hurt and maybe lower your draft place.
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That's such a silly argument. McCaffrey's decision makes sense for him. That doesn't mean it's right for everyone. He had do deal with injuries this year, and he's in a position where he could vault from late first/second round, to the top 15-20. One more game in college won't do that, but eye popping numbers at the combine would. Exhibit A: Byron Jones. There was nothing he could do in a Bowl Game that would have improved his draft stock the way his combine performance did. There's a point of diminishing returns. Deciding not to play for half a season would probably leave most GMs and coaches with a negative impression. There's a huge difference between skipping 3-4 regular season games, and skipping an exhibition game to give yourself more time to prep. It doesn't make sense for everyone, it makes sense for him.

RioDog said:
You keep talking about commitment to his team as if that existed in some kind of bubble; as if he wasn't a member of some other team such as his family. Maybe those folks have supported him since before he was a college player. Maybe they made sacrifices to promote his success and are now counting on him for financial support.
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I don't disagree with your argument, but FYI, he's the son of a former NFL player, Ed McCaffrey Ed McCaffrey - Wikipedia

He played 12 years in the league, I don't know for certain what their financial situation is, but the chances are it is better than most.

Jimmy Serrano said:
I fully support Fournette & McCaffrey skipping their meaningless bowl games to focus on the draft.

My only issue is that people don't get to call them team players.
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That's a fair argument, but as long as his teammates continue to call them team players, then I'll take their word for it. I don't think anyone NOT on the team has as much credibility when discussing who is or isn't a team player.
 
WingU-Conn said:
That's such a silly argument. McCaffrey's decision makes sense for him. That doesn't mean it's right for everyone. He had do deal with injuries this year, and he's in a position where he could vault from late first/second round, to the top 15-20. One more game in college won't do that, but eye popping numbers at the combine would. Exhibit A: Byron Jones. There was nothing he could do in a Bowl Game that would have improved his draft stock the way his combine performance did. There's a point of diminishing returns. Deciding not to play for half a season would probably leave most GMs and coaches with a negative impression. There's a huge difference between skipping 3-4 regular season games, and skipping an exhibition game to give yourself more time to prep. It doesn't make sense for everyone, it makes sense for him.



I don't disagree with your argument, but FYI, he's the son of a former NFL player, Ed McCaffrey Ed McCaffrey - Wikipedia

He played 12 years in the league, I don't know for certain what their financial situation is, but the chances are it is better than most.



That's a fair argument, but as long as his teammates continue to call them team players, then I'll take their word for it. I don't think anyone NOT on the team has as much credibility when discussing who is or isn't a team player.
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Ed McCaffrey - Wikipedia

Kids won the genetic lottery...
 
WingU-Conn said:
How about a fear of loss of that "consensus", and dropping down from #1 to #5... or worse...which could mean millions of dollars lost.
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That can happen. Perhaps an NFL team looks at him and questions his character? Part of me is saying the kid has an obligation and should play. The other part of me says, "Screw the NCAA, they won't be able to sponge money off some of these kids as they walk out the door."
 
Exit 4 said:
Why only skip the bowl games, why not skip the last couple games of the year as well if your school already has two losses and you are a projected 1st round pick?

I could see this kid falling to the Pats late in the 1st round..although Denver will be under pressure to take their local kid and son of a former player. As a Giants fan, I don't want him - we have Odell and have other needs to fill.
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Belichick doesn't take RB/WR's in the first round, so there is no way he goes to the Pats. They will have other needs come draft day and there isn't room for McCaffrey anyway with White/Lewis/Edelman/Amedola/Jones as RB's/slot WR's/returners.
 
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