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I want the governor to worry about our budget and the rest of the state issues, before worrying about this.
I want UCONN out of the AAC but think getting the AAU will push that better than the governor being involved. Remember the last time politicians were involved...
Absolutely!!! This moron of a governor that we have can piss away our money like we piss away our beer. I read this morning about a commuter rail line between Danbury and Pittsfield, who ... is going to ride this? And the bus line now going up, fix what we have like I84 through Waterbury. Morons.
 
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I had the privilege of being very good friends with the son of a former player. The atmosphere around the team was great. The players were good guys, Hartford was hopping on game night, attendance was strong and the fan base rabid. A good product in a nice arena would do very well.

Whalers gear has a cult following too. The sales of Whaler gear nationwide are staggering. It is the most popular brand of all defunct teams in sports. My wife wears a Whaler cap sometimes, people stop us all over Florida and California and tell her they love her hat.

Bring back the Whale!

If the Whale came back, which I doubt, can they get their colors back from Vancouver?
 
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Rogers was out of the league after 3 years and they got Sulliman back who was 21 and had one good year. They also got Kostopolous who after 300 decent games they turned into Gavin.

Rogers hung a -60 in 3 years with the Rangers, so he scored some goals but as far as Whaler trade follies go, hard to see that as one unless you only look at his goal total.
Rogers was averaging over 100 points a year with the NHL Whalers. The fact they traded him does nothing except support many position that the Whalers constantly traded away the best players. You can argue if he was elite. He sure played elite with the Whalers.
 
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No, it's not sentiment. It's reality. You can shake your pom-pons all you want. CT is what it is.
Do you think Pittsburgh deserves an NHL team? Their attendance was laughable - far worse then Hartford's - until they started to win when the Mario's and Jaromir's - and ultimately Francis - started giving them very good seasons.
 

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If the Whale came back, which I doubt, can they get their colors back from Vancouver?

I would think Hartford...IF(!!)...a team came back would have to move on from even thinking about calling the team the Whalers. That team came out of the WHA. WHAlers. A new team has no connection.

The Hartford Diacos works.
 

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When I listened to Kaiton every night I put together countless cassette tapes of the Westledge 3-Star Award Show highlights. Amazing listening. I still hear calls in my head...

Ulfie Samuelson....waters parting...he shoots...HE SCOOORRRRRRES!!!!
 
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An article like this pops up once a year

I don't see it happening , but would support the team if it did
 
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Do you think Pittsburgh deserves an NHL team? Their attendance was laughable - far worse then Hartford's - until they started to win when the Mario's and Jaromir's - and ultimately Francis - started giving them very good seasons.

I don't live in Pittsburgh. I live in Hartford and it's not really even a great MINOR league town.
 
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I could be wrong but I believe it's a different era than the 70's and 80's. Remember UConn packed the Civic Center during the late 80's and 90's. Today you have much more competition for your entertainment dollar. I also think the Central CT economy is much weaker than that period and you won't have companies buying tons of seats and selling the tickets dirt cheap to their employees.
 
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We had pitiful attendance in one of the smallest buildings in the NHL. We're sandwiched between 2 huge markets what would raise hell. As much as I'd love the NHL to return to CT, it ain't happening. Lets just face it, when it comes to professional sports, Connecticut is a minor league state.
The attendance was much better than deserved after years of Whaler teams that sucked. Try selling those underperforming Whalers in another market and the result would likely be worse.
 
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Like what?
The casinos and events at Mohegan Sun arena and Foxwoods. UConn football, the meadows, HD TV packages, etc. People with disposable income leaving CT and it's high taxes in a mass exodus.
 

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Listing Rob McClanahan as an elite player the Whalers traded away may be the single strangest thing I've ever read here.

The Rogers trade wasn't that bad. They made at least two dozen worse than that.

This reminded me of the Cleveland Indians in Major League.
 

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The casinos and events at Mohegan Sun arena and Foxwoods. UConn football, the meadows, HD TV packages, etc. People with disposable income leaving CT and it's high taxes in a mass exodus.

It's the last sentence. Too many people who can live somewhere else choose to do so. Major league sports in Hartford are a fantasy.

Today is a perfect example: This is like living in a frozen hell. There is no way I'm letting my kids stay here.

The few advantages Connecticut has left are easily replicated in warmer, less expensive places. It's painful to visit my college roommates who've moved to Florida, South Carolina and North Carolina.

I bought my house 6 years ago. Currently there is an identical house down the street listed at $106k less than I paid. I can't even imagine what it's going to be like trying to sell 15-20 years from now. It's impossible to picture any demand because it's impossible to envision where people can work outside of maybe 5 companies.
 
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I don't live in Pittsburgh. I live in Hartford and it's not really even a great MINOR league town.
I don't care where you live.
I'm telling you that Pittsburgh's NHL attendance was worse than Hartford for many years- some years they only averaged 6-7K per game. Then they had some really good teams and now attendance isn't a problem.
You basing Hartford on 11-12K during some brutal stretches isn't very fair. That's my thing with you..not to mention the fact that it seems you can't wait to jump in and bash the whalers fan base any chance you get.

Why is that?
 
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Today is a perfect example: This is like living in a frozen hell. There is no way I'm letting my kids stay here.

The few advantages Connecticut has left are easily replicated in warmer, less expensive places.

Yes, winter has truly doomed northeastern cities like Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. How could a professional sports franchise survive in any of these frozen tundras, nevermind places like Minneapolis or Detroit?
 
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I don't care where you live.
I'm telling you that Pittsburgh's NHL attendance was worse than Hartford for many years- some years they only averaged 6-7K per game. Then they had some really good teams and now attendance isn't a problem.
You basing Hartford on 11-12K during some brutal stretches isn't very fair. That's my thing with you..not to mention the fact that it seems you can't wait to jump in and bash the whalers fan base any chance you get.

Why is that?

1) Here is Pittsburgh's attendance by year.

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7475

There are two years where they had attendance under 10,000 (82/83 and 83/84). They've been between 15,000-18,500 since 1986. So, your Pittsburgh point is simply inaccurate.

2) I jump in on it because there is a silly, romantic idea that Hartford was a good NHL city and deserves another team.....and they simply don't. Shoot. I went to UConn/Maine on a Friday night and there were 9,600 people. You think people are coming out to see the Whalers/Nashville on a cold Tuesday night? Laughable.
 
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1) Here is Pittsburgh's attendance by year.

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7475

There are two years where they had attendance under 10,000 (82/83 and 83/84). They've been between 15,000-18,500 since 1986. So, your Pittsburgh point is simply inaccurate.

2) I jump in on it because there is a silly, romantic idea that Hartford was a good NHL city and deserves another team.....and they simply don't. Shoot. I went to UConn/Maine on a Friday night and there were 9,600 people. You think people are coming out to see the Whalers/Nashville on a cold Tuesday night? Laughable.

You are forgetting in 2015 the buswY will be finished and one year later the train between Springfield and New Haven will be finished. All our problems will be solved. Of course, I am winning mega millions this week and moving to a warm climate area.
 

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Yes, winter has truly doomed northeastern cities like Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. How could a professional sports franchise survive in any of these frozen tundras, nevermind places like Minneapolis or Detroit?

Yes Hartford is very similar to Boston, New York and Philadelphia.

Connecticut leads the country in exporting college graduates by accident.

Clearly I'd love the Whalers to come back but it's straight up fantasyland.
 
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As long as you don't mind a horrid education for your ancestors, move south. An A student there is a C student in Connecticut.
 
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Yes Hartford is very similar to Boston, New York and Philadelphia.

Connecticut leads the country in exporting college graduates by accident.

Clearly I'd love the Whalers to come back but it's straight up fantasyland.

I'm not saying Hartford is any of those cities. But the idea that somehow the weather is too cold for Hartford to succeed is clearly ridiculous. There are a million reasons Hartford (and the Connecticut economy in general) have problems. I just don't think the weather is one of them. At all.

Some people actually like winter.
 

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I'm not saying Hartford is any of those cities. But the idea that somehow the weather is too cold for Hartford to succeed is clearly ridiculous. There are a million reasons Hartford (and the Connecticut economy in general) have problems. I just don't think the weather is one of them. At all.

Some people actually like winter.

I completely disagree. Weather is a huge reason why many people move, especially the affulent seniors with disposable income.

Some people like all sorts of things.... It doesn't make every narrow interest a viable business.
 
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I completely disagree. Weather is a huge reason why many people move, especially the affulent seniors with disposable income.

Some people like all sorts of things.... It doesn't make every narrow interest a viable business.

Yes, affluent retirees leave Connecticut for warm weather and also to not pay taxes for kids to have nice schools, etc. They also leave other northeastern cities.

That being said, I'm not about to worry about making Connecticut more attractive to retired seniors. I've been to Florida. It's not that interesting.

You do not need these people to have a successful city.
 

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This is always the response from some people and it's complete and utter bs, The Whalers had a good fan base despite almost always putting a horrible product on the ice, in 87-88 which was probably their best year they outdrew The Blues, Sabres, Canucks, Kings, Jets, North Stars, Devils and Bruins. They never had the worst attendance despite putting an atrocious product on the ice because they had an owner who never had intentions of keeping them in Hartford despite all of his lies throughout the years.
The Bruins played in the Old Boston Garden in 87-88 which crammed 14,000 for a sellout and The Bruins went to the Stanley Cup Finals that year. Don't you think if the Old Garden could support it they would have held more?

Throw out numbers from the last century. They do not apply. Also, nothing of the sort will happen of the sort under Commissioner Bettman. He bought Karmanos' relocation reasons hook, line and sinker. In retrospect though, Karmanos wasn't completely wrong. In the current ballgame (which is a whole new one compared to 1998), the XL Center is not a major league venue. It cannot even pass itself off as a charming throwback like Fenway could. The suites are more expensive and have worse sightlines than the worst seats in general admission. The bathrooms use the same door for entrance and exit, the concourse is cramped during intermissions (of AHL games that draw barely 2,500 people)/halftime, and the beer has this rust/metallic taste like the lines haven't been flushed since the days of Gordie Howe.

My wife and I took in a preseason game at the Pepsi Center (which was finished in 1999 and holds 18,000 for hockey) when we were in Denver for the Red Sox last September. The boxes are just behind the lower bowl and barely any seat looks like it is further than even halfway up the 200's at the XL Center. Don't even get me started on the concourses (ALL major arenas have at least two) and concessions. The Pepsi Center was built for about $190 mil back then and if the CRDA didn't take Howard Baldwin's proposal to refurbish the building seriously (clocked in at around $105 mil), how are they going to approve 3x that amount for a brand new building?

No one said that Mr. Baldwin was mistake-free and he needs take responsibility for them (which by all accounts, he has), but if an NHL insider cannot convince the current state governor and commissioner, I don't see it happening while either of the two are still around. I wouldn't mind being wrong, and I hope Mr. Baldwin is involved. It will provide easy access to watch Bruins games in person a few times a year.
 

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Yes, affluent retirees leave Connecticut for warm weather and also to not pay taxes for kids to have nice schools, etc. They also leave other northeastern cities.

That being said, I'm not about to worry about making Connecticut more attractive to retired seniors. I've been to Florida. It's not that interesting.

You do not need these people to have a successful city.

You need affluent people to have professional sports. NHL ticket prices are 50%+ higher than UConn basketvall and there are more than 100% more games a season.

I don't care why demographic has the disposable income but you need a hell of a lot more of these people before major league professional sports are back on the table here.
 
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