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OT: Kobe retiring
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do you remember the details of that trial? accuser had multiple semen samples in her panties and was lying her ass off. I dont like kobe myself but don't think he is a rapist. just a cocky sobYou're right he raped a girl in Colorado he didn't abuse her. WTF was I thinking?
You're right he raped a girl in Colorado he didn't abuse her. WTF was I thinking?
But he didn't rape a girl... However didn't realize you where in the room watching the entire thing unfold.
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My bad I agree shouldn't have used those words. But he got away with something for sure like Hardy as no one who is innocent pays. Thus these 2 being in the same sentence is not an issue.
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mauconnfan said:
That's not true. People with money plea/pay all the time. It ends the bad publicity and eliminates risk of false conviction or false judgement in a civil suit.
I think you have to really want to dislike Kobe to think he raped that girl after you read the whole story. His credibility was far stronger given the facts.
I can't speak for Mauconnfan but I'll try to anyway...He did get away with something...he got away with cheating on his wife...However if he wants to imply Kobe committed some criminal act. We all can agree to disagree.
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I think Kobe Bryant is actually underrated. People say Kobe wasn't a top 10 NBA player but underestimate the power of confidence, will and athleticism. If you give me totally equivalent teams and add one guard/swingman legend to each squad and have them compete, I'll take Kobe's team over almost all of them to win. Jordan and maybe Magic get the nod over him. Kobe would squash the rest.
His two titles without Shaq are more or equal too what so many supposedly better players had. He has a big ego, he has a mean streak, but he's a 5 time champ and he didn't need Shaq to get two of them. Further, Shaq was in the league forever and he only won one without Kobe and that was in Wade's best year in terms of being a complete player.
His two titles without Shaq are more or equal too what so many supposedly better players had. He has a big ego, he has a mean streak, but he's a 5 time champ and he didn't need Shaq to get two of them. Further, Shaq was in the league forever and he only won one without Kobe and that was in Wade's best year in terms of being a complete player.
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Michael obviously, Magic and Larry most likely but in the last 30 years no others have been as good. Whether people like it or not all of the titles discussed come with many good players and coaches, not just these guys. I get it's easier with Shaq but with the other teams they won with there were either great players or career years involved with others.
Kobe definitely put himself into an argument for the Top 10 with his game.
Kobe definitely put himself into an argument for the Top 10 with his game.
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Mau you know that being a superstar presents all types of temptations (i.e. women) thrown at you constantly. Ewing, Wilkins, Jordan and many others succomb to the temptations as well as we Joe Public.
I think whatever happened in Colorado Kobe learned from it, and scared the crap out of him, where he hasn't done it (or got caught again). That can be forgivable if not repeated. Women simply have a lot of power of men.
My wife used to tell me that Adam had a choice to follow God (not bite the apple) or follow the women (bite the apple). That story depicts the power of women over men and yes they are that powerful.
Just saying pro athletes are always putting themselves in situations to be set up, its not that they are stupid, its that they don't fully realize the power women have. Lastly some women are taught (or realize) that they are born with a million dollars between their legs, consequently pro-players are a nice hunting ground. Babies are the jackpot and 'sadly' their are a lot of them out them.
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In the last 30 years, Duncan and LeBron are better, arguably Shaq and Olajuwon as well.
Again, that's not really a diss on Kobe. He was a very good player, one of the 10-15 best. I lean towards the 15 with @champs99and04 in putting him closer to 15, but that's still pretty amazing.
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Went and saw Kobe play in DC last night. Looked like vintage Kobe, 31 pts knocking down clutch shots in the 4th quarter. Even had 2 assists...
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Duncan is definitely better than Kobe. I personally think HE is underrated. Easily the best PF of all time.
I'd take peak Lebron on my team over peak Kobe. I dislike Lebron as a person more than Kobe, but that's just personal preference.
EDIT: I see tzz already said the same thing. Redundant post.
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That made me chuckle.
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He hasn't been good in a few years, but in his defense I'm not sure who would want to go out on an injury--two straight years of injury. And he was still a good player before the first of them, so I don't blame him for thinking he could come back from it.
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I'm not really wrong as much as you worded your initial post very poorly and didn't until just now provide the resource that you used to make your claim. If you look at Kobe's 2000-01 to 2009-10 playoff stats he compares pretty equally in pure statistics to Lebron, and over that span won 4 rings to Lebron's current 2.
To put this another way, Doug McDermott had a better regular season than Shabazz Napier by any measure in 2013-14, would you at any point in the season have traded Shabazz 1:1 for McDermott? Doubtful.
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Duncan yes, Hakeem probably, Lebron and Shaq? No. Shaq was more dominant in his prime, but Kobe had the better career, Lebron was slightly better in their respective primes, but he'd trade his career accomplishments for Kobe's in a cocaine heartbeat.
Like @Hoophound said, basketball is a lot about will, guts, and swagger, and a lot less about raw stats than someone like you realizes. You seem misplaced as a basketball fan, that purely analytical approach belongs in baseball.
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Its impossible to position Kobe's greatness, including preferential comparisons. Kobe immeidately followed Jordan, which is tough to do, however 5 Championships is a nice feat considering his albatross.
If you took Lebron and gave me Kobe I wouldn't cry. Same with many others ranked better. On any given night they all can spank one another and all are great players. The point is few players are in their category at respective positions.
Allen Iverson was a great player in his own right, and will be recoginized during HOF voting. I just think some players were really good and a lesser number were great.
Its fun to argue, but prime to prime is a fun comparison for shlts and giggles.
If you took Lebron and gave me Kobe I wouldn't cry. Same with many others ranked better. On any given night they all can spank one another and all are great players. The point is few players are in their category at respective positions.
Allen Iverson was a great player in his own right, and will be recoginized during HOF voting. I just think some players were really good and a lesser number were great.
Its fun to argue, but prime to prime is a fun comparison for shlts and giggles.
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Might work on the court, but not so much on a message board. You make some good points, but could have done without the attitude. Takes away from your overall message.
I'll take Lebron over Kobe, but acknowledge that Kobe's had a better career. If Lebron wins won in Cleveland, that all changes.
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Iverson is definitely underrated. Would have loved to see him play with a better collection of players; the only question would be if he could mesh with them. He dragged a pretty ordinary team to the Finals that year, where Aaron Mckey was the second best player on the team! Think about that. As a bonus, Ollie was on that team: he definitely had an impact.
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I think commenting on any attitude is pretty unwarranted. Not sure where you're coming from with that.
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Hey just telling you how you are being perceived in that post by probably everybody on here. If you want to make your posts weaker, that's up to you. But there's too many arseholes on the internet already, so it'd be great if we had less on here. Makes the board more readable. But again, do as you like.
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You didn't really answer me. All you did was come up with a presumptive accusation. Based on how our conversation is going it seems like you're the one being an here.
But regardless, I'm not sure how whatever issues you seem to have with my attitude would detract from the relevant information in my posts. That seems very odd.
You've got to be kidding me.
People let their hatred of the guy cloud their judgement when talking about how good he was.
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If we're picking peaks--and Wade's peak was roughly from age 24-30--I'd say they're very close and Wade may have the edge. He was more efficient from the floor, and scored at a similar rate per 36, while also playing similar defense. Hell, anyone who watched the 2006 Finals had to have seen a player who performed in the Finals at a higher level than nearly anyone else ever did at that level. That said, picking Kobe's peak is reasonable.
But for a career? For a career it is Kobe, no question. But that's not what I ever said. Yet I'd suggest you've let the media suggest peak Kobe was better than he really was if you think the comparison is completely absurd.
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