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JMick said:
At the end of the day, I still think it's a "the more things change, the more they stay the same", type of deal. They're still kids and kids will always be similar. The difference is really going to be seen when they're adults. Probably not huge differences but some noticeable smaller ones. The biggest difference I've seen at my job is that everyone my age tells each other how much money they make. No one in Gen X or any of the leftover boomers would dare do that, and we've gotten "spoken to" about it when someone overheard.
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Gen 'X' is just a lot cooler about it.
 
Whtdmd said:
I met him in the football game. Durham was a very timid person, trying to hide behind Enoch n Diarra the whole time. He was never comfortable here. I just don't think that he had the killer instinct even if he can be a good player. Neither Ollie or Glen Miller could get him to study films or workout extra in the gym. Will he do better away from here? perhaps but he never put his best efforts at UConn
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Neither Ollie nor Miller could get him to do what every decent D-1 player should do, and 1000% what every D-1 player with real potential should do ... On their own.

So that's our coaching issue? Not being able to get JD to put in the necessary "extra" work? Sounds like it was on him ...
 
Stairmaster said:
My senior year of HS, I did some volunteer work with one of my old 6th grade teachers. In a private conversation, she told me that teaching Gen Z was a completely different experience from teaching my cohort in so many ways. Basically, since these kids are going through all of their early childhood development with technology intimately involved in the process, they have a ridiculous amount of difficulty sitting still and paying attention in a classroom. They're used to instant gratification in all sectors of their life, and are much less willing to actually sit down and put work in so that they can master something. This was just after a six-year gap, mind you. It's probably gotten even worse since then.
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Interesting and makes sense. Technology is amazing but I've always felt it will be the end of us.
 
superjohn said:
Interesting and makes sense. Technology is amazing but I've always felt it will be the end of us.
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VR will be the fountain of youth. You'll plug in and live forever or until your server crashes
 
JMick said:
At the end of the day, I still think it's a "the more things change, the more they stay the same", type of deal. They're still kids and kids will always be similar. The difference is really going to be seen when they're adults. Probably not huge differences but some noticeable smaller ones. The biggest difference I've seen at my job is that everyone my age tells each other how much money they make. No one in Gen X or any of the leftover boomers would dare do that, and we've gotten "spoken to" about it when someone overheard.
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Tacky as hell.
 
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nomar said:
I'm guessing he's referring to your comment about telling people how much they make.

I make $47,000 and drive a Dodge Stratus by the way. I'm in charge of 25 people!
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lol if by tacky he means strategic then sure. if you don't know what your coworkers make it's a lot harder to negotiate your wage post-hire
 
whaler11 said:
Well yeah. You can make a lot of money playing basketball after college.

The culture shift may just kill the sport: but when you are a player and look around and see the coaches getting paid, the ADs getting paid, the media getting paid, TV execs getting paid...

I'd worry they weren't smart enough to be in college to priortize their teams over themselves.

The NCAA tournament pays me zero but a roster spot in the top international leagues pays 7 figures. Who would expect anyone to not try to balance themselves against the team.

Being a good soldier and being the 8th man on a Final Four team doesn't really come with a good ROI when compared against other options and opportunities.
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Kids have been using the game as a bastion of economic opportunity for years. The shift that I think has occurred lies in your use of the term "ROI" - my belief is that over the past ten or so years, families are on the whole digging much deeper and putting a lot more care into how to effectively monetize their kids. We're starting to see the gradual blurring of "basketball player" and "brand" - the Balls are an exaggerated example, but people all over are aspiring to the same thing on a much smaller scale.
 
nomar said:
I'm guessing he's referring to your comment about telling people how much they make.

I make $47,000 and drive a Dodge Stratus by the way. I'm in charge of 25 people!
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YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT MY DODGE STRATUS THAT WAY!
 
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I buy the generational thing. On tos, there are some quotes from Caron butler talking about uconn and KO. He said "and you have to understand that [coach] Kevin Ollie has a championship pedigree. He played at a high level of NBA basketball. He just has a different type of approach to it. A lot of kids don’t accept constructive criticism".

One thing I've noticed on social media about the younger generations is that they love to be told me how amazing they are. Instagram is basically a "look at how great I am" ego driving app for these kids. They are so full of themselves and it's no wonder why when ever picture they post has comment after comment telling them how great they look, or how cool they are, or how awesome whatever stupid thing they did is. So many of them are so phony. Using filters and photoshop and tons of make up and "contouring". All just for attention and to be told how wonderful they are. It's a pretty disheartening view of society.

I read those comments from butler before I saw this thread. But after reading some of the generational comments, this is exactly what I thought of and makes me look at KO in a different light.

KO is old school and doesn't baby them and maybe these kids just can't take it. They're so used to be told how great they are.

At the same time there are plenty of hard ass coaches out there who are doing ok so who knows.

Either way the coaches need to put a great emphasis on finding the right kids for KOs coaching style. And not waiting until they get here to find out that they can't handle it.
 
Mr. French said:
Neither Ollie nor Miller could get him to do what every decent D-1 player should do, and 1000% what every D-1 player with real potential should do ... On their own.

So that's our coaching issue? Not being able to get JD to put in the necessary "extra" work? Sounds like it was on him ...
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All you need to know about him is he
Mr. French said:
Neither Ollie nor Miller could get him to do what every decent D-1 player should do, and 1000% what every D-1 player with real potential should do ... On their own.

So that's our coaching issue? Not being able to get JD to put in the necessary "extra" work? Sounds like it was on him ...
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All you need to know about him is that he miss two regular season games n one week of practice with the flu or viral infection. This is so weak, no one that takes pride in their job takes that much time off. Definitely not a 19 year old college athlete if they r truly dedicated.
 
Whtdmd said:
All you need to know about him is he

All you need to know about him is that he miss two regular season games n one week of practice with the flu or viral infection. This is so weak, no one that takes pride in their job takes that much time off. Definitely not a 19 year old college athlete if they r truly dedicated.
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Have you managed to go through life without ever experiencing sickness?
 
Stairmaster said:
Kids have been using the game as a bastion of economic opportunity for years. The shift that I think has occurred lies in your use of the term "ROI" - my belief is that over the past ten or so years, families are on the whole digging much deeper and putting a lot more care into how to effectively monetize their kids. We're starting to see the gradual blurring of "basketball player" and "brand" - the Balls are an exaggerated example, but people all over are aspiring to the same thing on a much smaller scale.
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I don't know if it's that complicated for the majority. Durham may be able to better control his exposure but it's not like players like him will ever have a brand.

Transferring used to come with a scarlet letter.

It doesn't anymore so they jump more often and more quickly.

If you think leaving school A for school B gives you a better chance to get to the Spanish first division you go.

Players are bringing the AAU mentality to college - which I respect as they should look out for #1 - but it's impossible to pretend that the roster turnover isn't killing the sport from an interest standpoint.
 
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whaler11 said:
I don't know if it's that complicated f

Transferring used to come with a scarlet letter.

It doesn't anymore so they jump more often and more quickly.

If you think leaving school A for school B gives you a better chance to get to the Spanish first division you go.
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You're probably right, but I still think there's some connection. There had to be that shift of mindframe to where kids are actually coming to that realization about the Spanish first division during their college careers.
 
Stairmaster said:
You're probably right, but I still think there's some connection. There had to be that shift of mindframe to where kids are actually coming to that realization about the Spanish first division during their college careers.
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The AAU culture has shown them every man for themselves.
 
superjohn said:
You don't know why they left.
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U need to stop with the innuendos. The 3 people that left the program might have issues with Ollie but they are not the victims here. They have a great opportunity next yr and they were not mentally strong enough to handle it. When I played, it was always the entitled overrated scrubb that blames the coaches, system or their teamates. The hardest worker blame themselves. Jeremy lamb use to shoot at gambel till 2am. Kemba n Napier did not have twitter at Uconn because they were always practicing and watching game films
 
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superjohn said:
My dad missed 2 days of work in 38 years because he threw his back out and couldn't move. I'm such a wuss compared to him.
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Ha I missed an entire month of work in 2016 because of a back injury. But I am a soft millenial.
 
walker11 said:
Have you managed to go through life without ever experiencing sickness?
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Yes I did with cold flu etc. Fortunately no heart disease or cancer. Durham is more healthy then almost all of us on this board last yr. Michael Jordan score 50 points with a temp of 102 2nd to the flu. Durham miss games on two different occasions with viral infections.
 
Whtdmd said:
All you need to know about him is he

All you need to know about him is that he miss two regular season games n one week of practice with the flu or viral infection. This is so weak, no one that takes pride in their job takes that much time off. Definitely not a 19 year old college athlete if they r truly dedicated.
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Clearly no mother with a job has any pride in their work. Some take 12 weeks of maternity!
 
walker11 said:
Ha I missed an entire month of work in 2016 because of a back injury. But I am a soft millenial.
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Back pain, cough, stress and headaches r the bane of our occupation
 
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