OT: Juwan Durham update

[Tommyboy]

I said weeks ago that there was a reason Durham was dead to me compared to the other transfers.

Kid is the suck.

Told you he was charmin soft.

Soft as baby S * * *.

 

[huskyniner]

Not rooting for this one. What a terrible, terrible attitude to have after the coach showed him more loyalty than he clearly deserved.

 

[Stainmaster]

It's quotes like these that make me wonder why people twist themselves into pretzels trying to somehow prove that Kevin Ollie is Frankenstein's monster and locking his team in the basement of Gampel without food and water for days at a time.

The reason the roster is this thin is because three kids wanted much larger roles right off the bat as true freshmen, and Ollie wasn't willing to give them to them. Or when he did (Vance), even that wasn't good enough.

 

[UChusky916]

It's quotes like these that make me wonder why people twist themselves into pretzels trying to somehow prove that Kevin Ollie is Frankenstein's monster and locking his team in the basement of Gampel without food and water for days at a time.

The reason the roster is this thin is because three kids wanted much larger roles right off the bat as true freshmen, and Ollie wasn't willing to give them to them. Or when he did (Vance), even that wasn't good enough.

Exactly. And that was with season-ending injuries to starters. How many minutes do Juwan or Vance get if Diarra and Larrier aren't out for the year? Far less. So I will assume they transfer regardless. What else did they expect this past year? Vance got his and left... and Durham simply wasn't ready and left.

Very confusing when you try to understand the mentality of these kids.

 

[Dove]

He would have had no leash this year.

He deserves a rolled up newspaper across the snout.

(I never did that)

 

[hasheemthedream]

Geno said it best!!! Durham more than likely would of never even seen the floor last year on any Top 25 team

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

I agree that Durham wasn't very good last year. Too slow and weak and rusty from the injuries. And he had some chances and never showed much. And i definitely don't agree with him voicing these opinions publicly.

But this is 3 players leaving, at least in some part, because they dont think the staff was utilizing them properly. And 2 of them (Enoch and Durham) who we all agreed had a ton of potential and barely showed anything at all here.

Is it possible that there is some truth to what they are saying? Does it seem like the staff did a very good job utilizing their skillsets? Enoch and Durham both had plenty of opportunities, and neither made the most of them. But I don't think the coaches are completely blameless here either.

I can't really blame either one for having doubts about their ability to develop here.

 

[Stainmaster]

Exactly. And that was with season-ending injuries to starters. How many minutes do Juwan or Vance get if Diarra and Larrier aren't out for the year? Far less. So I will assume they transfer regardless. What else did they expect this past year? Vance got his and left... and Durham simply wasn't ready and left.

Very confusing when you try to understand the mentality of these kids.

I mean, millenials are millenials.

On that note, one thing we are seeing (and this is something I will probably start a separate, super-long thread on in the middle of the summer) is the first generation of youth basketball players for whom social media played a role in their rises are heading to college. Today's recruits had exposure not just on a much larger stage with the proliferation of Twitter, Instagram, Vine etc., but for a much longer time. These kids had access to these platforms and have been using them to garner more attention since they were freshmen, maybe even middle schoolers; they are the first cohort of young players to have that experience. As a result, kids have been gaining this kind of individual notoriety for years, and I believe that's manifested in a lot more of them thinking about optimizing their own futures instead of fitting into a team concept. Thus, players are butting heads with coaches, and we're seeing amount of transfers grow almost exponentially the past few offseasons.

I'm probably off base on a bit of that, just a few thoughts.

 

[Matrim55]

Geno said it best!!! Durham more than likely would of never even seen the floor last year on any Top 25 team

Funny thing is Durham "liked" the tweet with that video in it. So... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[sammydabiz]

 

[superjohn]

It's quotes like these that make me wonder why people twist themselves into pretzels trying to somehow prove that Kevin Ollie is Frankenstein's monster and locking his team in the basement of Gampel without food and water for days at a time.

The reason the roster is this thin is because three kids wanted much larger roles right off the bat as true freshmen, and Ollie wasn't willing to give them to them. Or when he did (Vance), even that wasn't good enough.

You don't know why they left.

 

[Stainmaster]

You don't know why they left.

Do you?

When kids are going into this much detail about it, I'm inclined to think it's at least somewhat accurate. Not that Durham or any of the others will end up dropping the full story, but what the players say in these kinds of quotes should be able to shed some light on why they left.

 

[Walker11]

I mean, millenials are millenials.

On that note, one thing we are seeing (and this is something I will probably start a separate, super-long thread on in the middle of the summer) is the first generation of youth basketball players for whom social media played a role in their rises are heading to college. Today's recruits had exposure not just on a much larger stage with the proliferation of Twitter, Instagram, Vine etc., but for a much longer time. These kids had access to these platforms and have been using them to garner more attention since they were freshmen, maybe even middle schoolers; they are the first cohort of young players to have that experience. As a result, kids have been gaining this kind of individual notoriety for years, and I believe that's manifested in a lot more of them thinking about optimizing their own futures instead of fitting into a team concept. Thus, players are butting heads with coaches, and we're seeing amount of transfers grow almost exponentially the past few offseasons.

I'm probably off base on a bit of that, just a few thoughts.

I think think this is a pretty good take. I hate your generation. Even though I'm sure I would have been the same if I grew up with the same technology.

 

[JMick]

I think think this is a pretty good take. I hate your generation. Even though I'm sure I would have been the same if I grew up with the same technology.

Old millenials and new millenials are just as different as Gen X and millenials. My coworker was ragging on millenials one time so I asked how old he was. Turns out he was a millenial and had no idea.

Not to mention most kids in HS now are Gen Z

 

[gtcam]

To be honest or realistic, if the injury bug didn't hit the team, Durham might not have even sniffed the court
Kids will be kids and it is unfortunate but those words may come to bite him.
All those posters who thought it was KO who drove him away - what do you think now?
It sounds like VJ's old man wrote this for Durham

 

[2Infinity]

Geno said it best!!! Durham more than likely would of never even seen the floor last year on any Top 25 team

Great that you pulled this out Hash. This guy just says it like it is...how could you not love him!? Unfortunately, not enough coaches out there today are like him. They accept the snowflakes as they are and don't melt them in their place by turning up the heat. I'm glad KO appears to have done just that!

 

[Stainmaster]

Old millenials and new millenials are just as different as Gen X and millenials. My coworker was ragging on millenials one time so I asked how old he was. Turns out he was a millenial and had no idea.

Not to mention most kids in HS now are Gen Z

Wait until Gen Z enters the real world. Older people are going to love millenials all of a sudden.

 

[superjohn]

Do you?

When kids are going into this much detail about it, I'm inclined to think it's at least somewhat accurate. Not that Durham or any of the others will end up dropping the full story, but what the players say in these kinds of quotes should be able to shed some light on why they left.

I know it's more complicated than just playing time.

 

[Walker11]

Old millenials and new millenials are just as different as Gen X and millenials. My coworker was ragging on millenials one time so I asked how old he was. Turns out he was a millenial and had no idea.

Not to mention most kids in HS now are Gen Z

Agreed, as a millenial, I am disgusted by millenials. It is going to be impossible to elect a president in 30 years who didn't make a complete a__ out himself during his middle school/early high school years.

 

[JMick]

Wait until Gen Z enters the real world. Older people are going to love millenials all of a sudden.

I don't buy into much of the generational stereotyping but from what I've seen from current HS kids it's like they're living in a completely different world. The biggest thing is they do not give a fffffffff about privacy. It's disheartening to say the least.

 

[JMick]

Agreed, as a millenial, I am disgusted by millenials. It is going to be impossible to elect a president in 30 years who didn't make a complete a__ out himself during his middle school/early high school years.

that's when facebook is really going to make its mark. even if it's gone by then the internet never forgets.

 

[whaler11]

I mean, millenials are millenials.

On that note, one thing we are seeing (and this is something I will probably start a separate, super-long thread on in the middle of the summer) is the first generation of youth basketball players for whom social media played a role in their rises are heading to college. Today's recruits had exposure not just on a much larger stage with the proliferation of Twitter, Instagram, Vine etc., but for a much longer time. These kids had access to these platforms and have been using them to garner more attention since they were freshmen, maybe even middle schoolers; they are the first cohort of young players to have that experience. As a result, kids have been gaining this kind of individual notoriety for years, and I believe that's manifested in a lot more of them thinking about optimizing their own futures instead of fitting into a team concept. Thus, players are butting heads with coaches, and we're seeing amount of transfers grow almost exponentially the past few offseasons.

I'm probably off base on a bit of that, just a few thoughts.

Well yeah. You can make a lot of money playing basketball after college.

The culture shift may just kill the sport: but when you are a player and look around and see the coaches getting paid, the ADs getting paid, the media getting paid, TV execs getting paid...

I'd worry they weren't smart enough to be in college to priortize their teams over themselves.

The NCAA tournament pays me zero but a roster spot in the top international leagues pays 7 figures. Who would expect anyone to not try to balance themselves against the team.

Being a good soldier and being the 8th man on a Final Four team doesn't really come with a good ROI when compared against other options and opportunities.

 

[phillionaire]

Millennials to Snake People
This makes reading this thread so much more interesting

 

[whaler11]

Agreed, as a millenial, I am disgusted by millenials. It is going to be impossible to elect a president in 30 years who didn't make a complete a__ out himself during his middle school/early high school years.

I'm pretty sure we broke the seal on caring about candidates making arses out of themselves.

 

[champs99and04]

I think think this is a pretty good take. I hate your generation. Even though I'm sure I would have been the same if I grew up with the same technology.

To be honest I think I dislike generation cliche more, though I'll admit there is a 200% chance I am going to hate the next generation for all the same reasons the last one hates this one.

Nothing about Durham's decision to transfer makes sense and I maintain that there is more to it than what we're seeing. My suspicion would be that he just didn't really like going to school here for whatever reason.

But I'm willing to entertain the possibility that there were more than eight minutes per game for a kid of his talent to have on a sub .500 team. I assumed all along that he was being held back due to health reasons, but I really don't think it would have hurt anybody for him to play more. It's a noble thought to think that all minutes have to be earned, but here is a kid with an abundance of talent who at least seemed like he had an idea of how to play the game. If there was ever an argument to be made that that a kid simply needed reps, the true freshman coming off two ACL tears would be it.

 

[Stainmaster]

I don't buy into much of the generational stereotyping but from what I've seen from current HS kids it's like they're living in a completely different world. The biggest thing is they do not give a fffffffff about privacy. It's disheartening to say the least.

My senior year of HS, I did some volunteer work with one of my old 6th grade teachers. In a private conversation, she told me that teaching Gen Z was a completely different experience from teaching my cohort in so many ways. Basically, since these kids are going through all of their early childhood development with technology intimately involved in the process, they have a ridiculous amount of difficulty sitting still and paying attention in a classroom. They're used to instant gratification in all sectors of their life, and are much less willing to actually sit down and put work in so that they can master something. This was just after a six-year gap, mind you. It's probably gotten even worse since then.

 

[Whtdmd]

I met him in the football game. Durham was a very timid person, trying to hide behind Enoch n Diarra the whole time. He was never comfortable here. I just don't think that he had the killer instinct even if he can be a good player. Neither Ollie or Glen Miller could get him to study films or workout extra in the gym. Will he do better away from here? perhaps but he never put his best efforts at UCONN

 

[Walker11]

To be honest I think I dislike generation cliche more, though I'll admit there is a 200% chance I am going to hate the next generation for all the same reasons the last one hates this one.

Nothing about Durham's decision to transfer makes sense and I maintain that there is more to it than what we're seeing. My suspicion would be that he just didn't really like going to school here for whatever reason.

But I'm willing to entertain the possibility that there were more than eight minutes per game for a kid of his talent to have on a sub .500 team. I assumed all along that he was being held back due to health reasons, but I really don't think it would have hurt anybody for him to play more. It's a noble thought to think that all minutes have to be earned, but here is a kid with an abundance of talent who at least seemed like he had an idea of how to play the game. If there was ever an argument to be made that that a kid simply needed reps, the true freshman coming off two ACL tears would be it.

I have only recently started to feel old in the past year and that is solely because of the antipathy I have developed for young kids. Like I said, I can't even blame them as they are clearly a product of their environment. But they still suck.

He should have played more. 100%. His comments are disconcerting and perhaps he does not have the correct mentality.

 

[Whtdmd]

It is sad when a kid blame the UCONN system for his lack of effort or understanding of the game. Hearing Jackson n Durham the last 2 days convince me some of the staff was coddling recruits at the expense of the team

 

[JMick]

My senior year of HS, I did some volunteer work with one of my old 6th grade teachers. In a private conversation, she told me that teaching Gen Z was a completely different experience from teaching my cohort in so many ways. Basically, since these kids are going through all of their early childhood development with technology intimately involved in the process, they have a ridiculous amount of difficulty sitting still and paying attention in a classroom. They're used to instant gratification in all sectors of their life, and are much less willing to actually sit down and put work in so that they can master something. This was just after a six-year gap, mind you. It's probably gotten even worse since then.

At the end of the day, I still think it's a "the more things change, the more they stay the same", type of deal. They're still kids and kids will always be similar. The difference is really going to be seen when they're adults. Probably not huge differences but some noticeable smaller ones. The biggest difference I've seen at my job is that everyone my age tells each other how much money they make. No one in Gen X or any of the leftover boomers would dare do that, and we've gotten "spoken to" about it when someone overheard.