OT: Judges Reinstated Brady's Suspension

[malevocalist#]

 

[meyers7]

This thing ain't never gonna die.

 

[Buzzyboy]

The Witch hunt continues. The NFL is totally sick going after Brady. Why are they attempting to destroy this guy over something so trivial. If there was an "advantage", why did he play so amazingly after the incident? Seems like his performance in the second half of the game against the Colts and the Superbowl performance along with an MVP like 2015 regular season suggest that he didn't need any advantages. Personal preferences aside, it's a big stretch to suggest he had anything to do with the inflation of those balls in that game. The absurdity of spending that much money on a bullcrap investigation that's costing the league tens of millions and giving them the worst possible press while defaming a certain first ballot Hall of Famer! Why are these guys that spiteful????

 

[EricLA]

I'm all for holding people accountable, but how is Brady responsible for this? I freely admit I have not followed the case, except from the periphery, but was he the one inflating or deflating the footballs? If not, how can he be held responsible? Full disclosure - I don't like the Patriots, but I also don't think it's fair to single out the guy if he had zero to do with the football deflation issue...

 

[Biff]

I'm all for holding people accountable, but how is Brady responsible for this? I freely admit I have not followed the case, except from the periphery, but was he the one inflating or deflating the footballs? If not, how can he be held responsible? Full disclosure - I don't like the Patriots, but I also don't think it's fair to single out the guy if he had zero to do with the football deflation issue...

Understand what this ruling was about. These judges ruled on the acceptability of the process that was used and the power that the commish yields in that process. Basically they said the league and player's union negotiated and agreed to these powers given to the commish and that that process in their view(2 to 1) allowed for a fair hearing to Brady.
They in now way were ruling on the case itself or the guilt or innocence of anyone or even if the penalty was fair. They only were ruling that the commish was given the power he yielded by mutual and legal agreement of the two main parties (league and Players assoc.)

 

[malevocalist#]

Let them (The Judges) tell it Brady inflated the balls. Smh.

 

[tower1]

The Witch hunt continues. The NFL is totally sick going after Brady. Why are they attempting to destroy this guy over something so trivial. If there was an "advantage", why did he play so amazingly after the incident? Seems like his performance in the second half of the game against the Colts and the Superbowl performance along with an MVP like 2015 regular season suggest that he didn't need any advantages. Personal preferences aside, it's a big stretch to suggest he had anything to do with the inflation of those balls in that game. The absurdity of spending that much money on a bullcrap investigation that's costing the league tens of millions and giving them the worst possible press while defaming a certain first ballot Hall of Famer! Why are these guys that spiteful????

Yea he should just serve his suspension and end of conversation!

 

[Wbbfan1]

NO, he shouldn't serve the suspension. The Commissioner has the power, but the process that was used was flawed and it was a kangaroo court. Brady should take this to the supreme court if necessary.

 

[malevocalist#]

Yea he should just serve his suspension and end of conversation!

Would you go to prison willingly when you know 100% your innocent?

 

[tower1]

NO, he shouldn't serve the suspension. The Commissioner has the power, but the process that was used was flawed and it was a kangaroo court. Brady should take this to the supreme court if necessary.

No, He is guilty and he knows it. He got off easy.

 

[Orangutan]

NO, he shouldn't serve the suspension. The Commissioner has the power, but the process that was used was flawed and it was a kangaroo court. Brady should take this to the supreme court if necessary.

Well, the Supreme Court is his only recourse at this point. He could try that, but I'd think the Supreme Court has bigger fish to fry. This isn't an especially novel legal issue.

 

[malevocalist#]

http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/US-Court-of-Appeals-reinstates-Tom-Bradys-suspension-45000780

Well at least one judge among the panel didn't agree. It was a 2-1 decision.

 

[JordyG]

Understand what this ruling was about. These judges ruled on the acceptability of the process that was used and the power that the commish yields in that process. Basically they said the league and player's union negotiated and agreed to these powers given to the commish and that that process in their view(2 to 1) allowed for a fair hearing to Brady.
They in now way were ruling on the case itself or the guilt or innocence of anyone or even if the penalty was fair. They only were ruling that the commish was given the power he yielded by mutual and legal agreement of the two main parties (league and Players assoc.)

From day one this has been the thrust of the NFL's argument. Frankly this argument is indisputable. Once you sign your name to the collective bargaining agreement you are subject to its rules, which clearly supersede certain aspects of our constitution. If the players didn't like having the commissioner wielding that kind of power they never should have agreed to that line item. Is it right or wrong? Is it a witch hunt? The point is moot. The truth is as a worker we are subject to many rules and regulations set by our employer, some of which run contrary to our constitution and our own sensibilities. We all willingly give up those rights as the terms of our employment. We have the right to work elsewhere you say whereas the NFL is a monopoly? To bad. We the fan through the terms of our free market society have made it so. We have only ourselves to blame.

 

[Icebear]

One thing Goodell can count on, the union will never give him this power again.

 

[malevocalist#]

By Mark Gladieux

This is not a sad day for Tom Brady or even for the New England Patriots fans all over the country. This is a sad day for every single NFL player. whether you are a rookie or a 12-year veteran. A group of owners that control Roger Goodell has just been handed the right to be judged jury and executioner. They've been handed the right to make up any kind of story they want to fit any kind of narrative they want to do whatever they want. This really doesn't affect Tom Brady much at all. The Patriots negotiated his contract so that he is only being paid 1 million dollars in 2016. Financially this isn't going to be much more than a drop in the bucket. As for the Patriots they still have an incredible football team and a very competent backup quarterback that will compete in the four games that Tom is suspended. My final thoughts are Aaron JJ Tony Ben Richard and all the other players in the NFL you've lost. I'm wondering when they're all going to come to the realization that now Roger Goodell can demand your emails text messages and your personal property whenever and for whatever reason he wants. This is just one more slap in the face to the players that go out every day and risk concussions knee injuries and worse. I know they're well compensated and they're willing to take the risk. Today they lost something even more valuable then their health and that is their personal freedom. It's a shame this is gotten to this point.

 

[j66kicker]

TB had the foresight to have his 2016-17 contract restructured so only $1 million of his $9 million is base salary. So the 4 games will only cost him $250K. Pats' first 4 games are Arizona, Miami, Houston and Buffalo, so they could easily go 3-1 with Garoppolo.

 

[Husky1964]

If Pretty boy was innocent why did he destroy his cell phone?????

 

[Icebear]

If Pretty boy was innocent why did he destroy his cell phone?????

He didn't until after the NFL told him they didn't need it. Many celebrities do that with old phones to protect privacy.

 

[StoweD210]

He didn't until after the NFL told him they didn't need it. Many celebrities do that with old phones to protect privacy.

I don't frequent this board enough to know if Husky64 is saying that just to get a reaction or they really believe that. It it's the latter, it's a good demonstration of the power of the media.

As you pointed out, the NFL's not-independent investigator literally told Brady he didn't need his phone. On top of that, they had the phones of the two equipment guys, so they had all the texts to and from Brady involving Jastremski (there were communications between McNally and Brady.) In addition, at his appeal hearing, Brady supplied his text records for the period in question. The NFL claimed it would be too much work to research those records and, only at that point, decided they must have the actual, physical phone. This is the kind of stuff that you would read about in the old Soviet Union or North Korea and be appalled by it. It's one thing for fans of other teams to be okay with that, but it's truly sad that federal judges can look at that and say the process was "fair."

 

[CL82]

Oh and it is widely acknowledge that physics (the ideal gas law) fully explains the relatively tiny drop in the pressure of the balls. Dig up the other threads in this issue that address the other concerns, chain of custody, false statements by the NFL, etc.

 

[toadfoot]

Well, the Supreme Court is his only recourse at this point. He could try that, but I'd think the Supreme Court has bigger fish to fry. This isn't an especially novel legal issue.

Wrong. Brady and the NFLPA could ask for a hearing before the full 15 member Appeals Court.

 

[Orangutan]

Wrong. Brady and the NFLPA could ask for a hearing before the full 15 member Appeals Court.

Ah, I stand corrected - but cursory research indicates that's highly unlikely, too. No?

 

[easttexastrash]

The issue that everyone wanted to gloss over is coming back to bite him in the ass, which is the refusal to turn his phone over during the investigation. This is about the NFL flexing its muscles and demonstrating to other players what the consequences are of not FULLY cooperating with an investigation.

This is more about what Brady did during the investigation. Had he just turned his phone over and let the investigation take is full course all of this would be behind him, but instead he dug his heels in because he thought he was above it all.

 

[easttexastrash]

By Mark Gladieux

This is not a sad day for Tom Brady or even for the New England Patriots fans all over the country. This is a sad day for every single NFL player. whether you are a rookie or a 12-year veteran. A group of owners that control Roger Goodell has just been handed the right to be judged jury and executioner. They've been handed the right to make up any kind of story they want to fit any kind of narrative they want to do whatever they want. This really doesn't affect Tom Brady much at all. The Patriots negotiated his contract so that he is only being paid 1 million dollars in 2016. Financially this isn't going to be much more than a drop in the bucket. As for the Patriots they still have an incredible football team and a very competent backup quarterback that will compete in the four games that Tom is suspended. My final thoughts are Aaron JJ Tony Ben Richard and all the other players in the NFL you've lost. I'm wondering when they're all going to come to the realization that now Roger Goodell can demand your emails text messages and your personal property whenever and for whatever reason he wants. This is just one more slap in the face to the players that go out every day and risk concussions knee injuries and worse. I know they're well compensated and they're willing to take the risk. Today they lost something even more valuable then their health and that is their personal freedom. It's a shame this is gotten to this point.

Guess what? My company also gets to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to my performance and disciplinary action. Brady is part of the NFL and has to play by their rules, just like I have to play by the rules of my employer. Boo hoo...he has the same issue that all of us have when it comes to our jobs.

 

[toadfoot]

The issue that everyone wanted to gloss over is coming back to bite him in the ass, which is the refusal to turn his phone over during the investigation. This is about the NFL flexing its muscles and demonstrating to other players what the consequences are of not FULLY cooperating with an investigation.

This is more about what Brady did during the investigation. Had he just turned his phone over and let the investigation take is full course all of this would be behind him, but instead he dug his heels in because he thought he was above it all.

Wrong. Wells himself told Brady they didn't need his phone BEFORE Brady changed phones. That was actually in the Wells Report. It only became an issue with Goodell at the appeal hearing.
I also take issue with your notion that a person maintaining their innocence is because they consider themselves "above it all".