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Gotta get that Ben and Jerry’s to market.

These are the real heroes.

A few teammates and I destroyed a Vermonster for dinner on an overnight cross country trip.

Great refuel after running up a giant mountain at like 8am.
 
It seems to be a much smoother process when they switch a priest to another diocese for fondling a kid.
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A few teammates and I destroyed a Vermonster for dinner on an overnight cross country trip.

Great refuel after running up a giant mountain at like 8am.
My family split one of those with another family a few summers ago while we were in Vermont for a long weekend. The four adults had a couple spoonfuls each and the six kids went to town on the rest. Four of the six bowed out down the stretch when it all became a liquid mess and two of them continued to the end, using a straw and tilting the bucket to drink the rest. Those two didn't eat again for at least 24 hours, and barely spoke because they felt so ill. I still get queasy thinking about it.
 
Churches work differently. I’d sign a three year or four year contract, and if I left before that was up to go to another state, I’d have to rely on my bishop to grant me a release to be transferred to another diocese. If I accepted a gig while I knew I was leaving soon and then left a parish scrambling, he could give me a hard time with a release. On top of it, I wouldn’t have a recommendation to lean on for my next search. Not being able to list my last job as a reference would not be a great look. The church world definitely operates differently than corporate. Generally that’s a good thing, but in this case isn’t ideal

Got it. The charitable thing to do would be for your current diocese to help reach out to others in your target area. You'd think that would be SOP for a church. Unless of course they are total bastards.
 
i hope you didnt get your masters in philosophy? You are going to need a Doctorate in Student loan forgiveness

My masters is called a masters of divinity. That’s the degree that people get who go to seminary. Classes were in theology, history, biblical criticism, pastoral counseling, preaching.

In any case, philosophy degrees are very valuable for people who apply them appropriately. Philosophy majors have the second highest average LSAT scores because the purpose of the degree is to encourage critical thinking on foundational concepts that are often taken for granted. I’d say that’s a valuable skill whether we’re talking about legal argumentation, development of policy, or business innovation. I’d personally prefer that someone learn how to think critically and thoroughly before beginning a job then study practical processes that can be learned in any setting. That’s just my two cents.
 
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My masters is called a masters of divinity. That’s the degree that people get who go to seminary. Classes were in theology, history, biblical criticism, pastoral counseling, preaching.

In any case, philosophy degrees are very valuable for people who apply them appropriately. Philosophy majors have the second highest average LSAT scores because the purpose of the degree is to encourage critical thinking on foundational concepts that are often taken for granted. I’d say that’s a valuable skill whether we’re talking about legal argumentation, development of policy, or business innovation. I’d personally prefer that someone learn how to think critically and thoroughly before beginning a job then study practical processes that can be learned in any setting. That’s just my two cents.

Good for you. Ignore the people who say you should have studied restaurant management or accounting.
 
Biblical criticism? Interesting that such a discipline would develop at Yale.
 
This guy is another friend from (a different) high school. The stuff he gets excited about is several levels of abstraction deeper than things I'm only vaguely familiar with.

But on a relateable level, he made some waves not too long ago for his claim, based on his analysis of ancient texts, that Jesus was born in a basement- not a stable. (Most biblical scholars don't actually think Jesus was born in a stable )

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Seeking input on transitional revenue enhancement, @uconnphil2016 appears relatively level-headed and reasonably mature; not an irresponsible lout scheming to skirt out of debt obligations which may not even apply.

However, some basic ACCT and even food service MGMT knowledge could eventually be beneficial in his future sizable parish. Somebody needs to out Miss Sue who’s been embezzling church funds for 4 decades. Good luck Phil!
 
My masters is called a masters of divinity. That’s the degree that people get who go to seminary. Classes were in theology, history, biblical criticism, pastoral counseling, preaching.

In any case, philosophy degrees are very valuable for people who apply them appropriately. Philosophy majors have the second highest average LSAT scores because the purpose of the degree is to encourage critical thinking on foundational concepts that are often taken for granted. I’d say that’s a valuable skill whether we’re talking about legal argumentation, development of policy, or business innovation. I’d personally prefer that someone learn how to think critically and thoroughly before beginning a job then study practical processes that can be learned in any setting. That’s just my two cents.
Not many of those types find their way to The Boneyard.
 
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My masters is called a masters of divinity. That’s the degree that people get who go to seminary. Classes were in theology, history, biblical criticism, pastoral counseling, preaching.

In any case, philosophy degrees are very valuable for people who apply them appropriately. Philosophy majors have the second highest average LSAT scores because the purpose of the degree is to encourage critical thinking on foundational concepts that are often taken for granted. I’d say that’s a valuable skill whether we’re talking about legal argumentation, development of policy, or business innovation. I’d personally prefer that someone learn how to think critically and thoroughly before beginning a job then study practical processes that can be learned in any setting. That’s just my two cents.

I can’t help at all.

But I’m curious - it’s probably hidden in the past three pages, but what kind of position are you ultimately seeking when you’re settled?
 
... what kind of position are you ultimately seeking when you’re settled?
Appears Phil aspires to be an Episcopalian Guido Sarducci; that might could wake ‘em up in Asheville

 
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I can’t help at all.

But I’m curious - it’s probably hidden in the past three pages, but what kind of position are you ultimately seeking when you’re settled?

Number of opportunities. I’d either be an associate priest at a parish, school chaplain (either independent high school or university level, or prison), could teach religion at independent schools, do non profit work, or work at a retreat center. Depending on the place, some of those opportunities are more robust than others. I’d actually prefer to stay out of the parish if I can help it, but we’ll see. Parishes tend to be a ton of administrative work, as they’re really just small businesses that are severely understaffed. Additionally, the demographic obviously skews pretty old and that can be a challenge for a 26 year old cleric in terms of relating to folks. I think I’d most prefer either boots on the ground work in the non profit sector with homelessness where I have a good deal of prior experience, prison work, or retreat ministry.

It’s kind of important as a young ordained person to diversify experience. Older priests have made careers in parishes, but with shrinking attendance and mounting costs of maintaining large, old buildings, full time parish work becomes less viable, especially in the northeast. I’d like to be able to gather a set of skills that keeps me from being sort of obsolete if traditional parish ministry becomes a thing of the past, which I predict that it will over the next 20 years in 90% of cases.

Obviously a strange career path that tends to elicit a lot of questions in people which I have no problem explaining.
 
Number of opportunities. I’d either be an associate priest at a parish, school chaplain (either independent high school or university level, or prison), could teach religion at independent schools, do non profit work, or work at a retreat center. Depending on the place, some of those opportunities are more robust than others. I’d actually prefer to stay out of the parish if I can help it, but we’ll see. Parishes tend to be a ton of administrative work, as they’re really just small businesses that are severely understaffed. Additionally, the demographic obviously skews pretty old and that can be a challenge for a 26 year old cleric in terms of relating to folks. I think I’d most prefer either boots on the ground work in the non profit sector with homelessness where I have a good deal of prior experience, prison work, or retreat ministry.

It’s kind of important as a young ordained person to diversify experience. Older priests have made careers in parishes, but with shrinking attendance and mounting costs of maintaining large, old buildings, full time parish work becomes less viable, especially in the northeast. I’d like to be able to gather a set of skills that keeps me from being sort of obsolete if traditional parish ministry becomes a thing of the past, which I predict that it will over the next 20 years in 90% of cases.

Obviously a strange career path that tends to elicit a lot of questions in people which I have no problem explaining.
Ouch! A challenge to relate to pretty old people but comfortable with prisoners and the homeless. How about really old folks? :)

I think your path is commendable. Would love to know what inspired you to follow this path.
 
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Ouch! A challenge to relate to pretty old people but comfortable with prisoners and the homeless. How about really old folks? :)

I think your path is commendable. Would love to know what inspired you to follow this path.

lol it’s just a challenge. In a lot of churches, I’m the youngest person by 30 years. And in regards to what led to my career choice, feel free to PM and I’ll gladly expand
 
Yeah, and some personalities are denser than average. Heads up Asheville, thus guy’s sermons could be non-sleep inducing.

At least 90% of sermons I’ve ever heard are a drag. I’m not dumb enough to think most of mine will live in that other 10%. Hopefully they do from time to time. My own opinion is that there’s a level of arrogance in assuming that people would want to listen to me, and me alone, speak at length once every week. No one is that interesting. Gotta be humble about it, keep em short, try to say something creative.
 
lol it’s just a challenge. In a lot of churches, I’m the youngest person by 30 years. And in regards to what led to my career choice, feel free to PM and I’ll gladly expand

If you need practice communicating with the elderly you should go spend some time on the women’s basketball board. Good luck with the job hunt!
 
1. Get a job making pizza at a reputable CT apizza joint.

2. Open a Neapolitan pizza place as a side business when you get to North Carolina:

APriestA Pie
 
1. Get a job making pizza at a reputable CT apizza joint.

2. Open a Neapolitan pizza place as a side business when you get to North Carolina:

APriestA Pie
This has some legs. Pizza in NC generally sucks - AW and I can help you make better pizza than 99% of the state in no time.
 
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This has some legs. Pizza in NC generally sucks - AW and I can help you make better pizza than 99% of the state in no time.
There is no question in my mind that it would work. I love the concept and the priest thing provides a lot of creative marketing angles.
 
My wife’s friend’s husband is an OB resident in Asheville. We visited down there for their wedding last year. Very lovely.
 
At least 90% of sermons I’ve ever heard are a drag. I’m not dumb enough to think most of mine will live in that other 10%. Hopefully they do from time to time. My own opinion is that there’s a level of arrogance in assuming that people would want to listen to me, and me alone, speak at length once every week. No one is that interesting. Gotta be humble about it, keep em short, try to say something creative.
I’m happy when I read 0.1% in this forum that’s interesting. But I still plow through most of the stuff.

You know you’re in trouble when the most interesting thread is about pizza joints in a state you don’t live in, or you’re making bets with yourself about who will chime in about KO and you’re never disappointed or a chief statement and the inevitable reaction that it elicits and by whom.

Love the campus thread but was hoping that several of the posters were younger than I learned.

Upshot is people are pretty predictable. People are fearful and needy. People need to be validated. People need reassurance. People want to feel safe. People don’t want the truth if said truth does not agree with their construct of how the universe runs or should run. I know you know this and much more than I could offer.

There are still people who can help people work in large groups. Others are more effective one on one or working with smaller groups. Supporting people without losing your integrity, patience, empathy and energy takes a special person. I wish you luck on this journey.
 

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