Both players are Dominican although AROD was born in New York and Papi was born and was a resident of the island. Neither failed a public drug test though AROD admitted to buying and using the supplements. The Dominican is very small and the major league players from there hang out with each other like glue in the cold offseason especially when the steroid culture down there was running rampant. They hang together and are treated like Gods down there and i saw it in person while on vacation. The hotels fall all over themselves when they drop by. They work out together and show up at resorts like celebrities and are treated like gold. Until age 26 Ortiz was a fat guy and pretty undistinguished offensively. His offense above average percentage was the lowest among players, about 25 of them in the 500 home run club by that age, only 3%. babe's was low too but he was a pitcher early. Ortiz all of a sudden started working out and changed his body type as the steroid era blossomed and his production magically soared. A great clutch hitter for sure he played lousy or no defense going to DH. AROD was an offensive and defensive juggernaught for most of his productive years. Ortiz failed a drug test that was not supposed to be released but we don't know the actual details other than that and he denies use. We are supposed to believe that Ortiz hung out with all of these steroid guys and didn't use them in Dominica. It's a huge leap of faith. Until we know how he failed that test I don't understand how anyone can vote Papi in the HOF regardless of what the rumors are. He doesn't merit it defensively and there are too many questions clouding him. AROD does not deserve it for the same reason as Sosa whose offense above average by 26 is in the Papi range very low. Palmiero no, Bonds no, Sosa no, McGuire no. Papi and AROD no.