OT: Hartford reaches deal to finish baseball stadium.

[Palatine]

hip hip. The Hartford Stadium Authority has reached an agreement toward the completion of Dunkin Donuts Park.

Hartford Stadium Authority reaches deal with insurer to finish Yard Goats ballpark

 

[UC313]

So who's arch inserting as a pinch hit GC? Or are they trotting out centerplan again to pull the golden sombrero?

 

[Danzz]

So who's arch inserting as a pinch hit GC? Or are they trotting out centerplan again to pull the golden sombrero?

Arch has to pay for the completion of the stadium and there are hundreds of competent contractors who can complete the job. Centerplan isn't one of them. It is doubtful that Centerplan will ever get another commercial job. For one thing the cost of their performance bond (if they can get one at all) would put them at a bidding disadvantage but the big reason is that they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Arch has to pay for the completion of the stadium and there are hundreds of competent contractors who can complete the job. Centerplan isn't one of them. It is doubtful that Centerplan will ever get another commercial job. For one thing the cost of their performance bond (if they can get one at all) would put them at a bidding disadvantage but the big reason is that they have no idea what they are doing.

Centerplan is basically bankrupted at this point. They really got screwed on this.

 

[CL82]

I'm glad. I'm hopeful that the completed park will bring people back to Hartford and spur growth.

 

[gtcam]

Arch has to pay for the completion of the stadium and there are hundreds of competent contractors who can complete the job. Centerplan isn't one of them. It is doubtful that Centerplan will ever get another commercial job. For one thing the cost of their performance bond (if they can get one at all) would put them at a bidding disadvantage but the big reason is that they have no idea what they are doing.

And your ascertain concerning Centerplan is based on what?
The city, of course, is without blame
Got it

 

[husky210]

Odds are the city is as much to blame as centerplan in this fiasco

 

[mauconnfan]

Is it Deep's company?

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

Now they just need to fix the rest of the city

 

[MattMang23]

I'm glad. I'm hopeful that the completed park will bring people back to Hartford and spur growth.

So is Deepster.

 

[Danzz]

And your ascertain concerning Centerplan is based on what?
The city, of course, is without blame
Got it

There is plenty of blame to go around beginning with an unrealistic schedule. All of my predictions concerning the stadium completion came true and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Waquoit]

Centerplan is basically bankrupted at this point. They really got screwed on this.

How?

 

[CallMeBruce]

How?

How did they get screwed, or how are they bankrupt?

 

[methodology]

Centerplan is a very competent company and has a ton of other commercial projects going on. They will continue to operate.

This project was probably over their heads and out of their normal scope of work. I tend to believe the city and Centerplan share equal blame in this fiasco. I've worked on sport complex construction site that started from scratch there are always issues and delays and a majority of the time it's not the contractors fault

 

[8893]

Centerplan is a very competent company.

This project was probably over their heads and out of their normal scope of work.

The latter would make them not competent for this project, no?

 

[August_West]

anyone can reach a "deal"

We can all make a "deal" together right now.

It's completing the "deal" that seems to be the challenge, no?

 

[CallMeBruce]

Centerplan is a very competent company and has a ton of other commercial projects going on. They will continue to operate.

They've dumped a ton of staff since the city locked them off the project and withheld the payouts. Huge cuts. It wasn't pretty.

 

[Waquoit]

How did they get screwed, or how are they bankrupt?

How did they get screwed?

 

[methodology]

The latter would make them not competent for this project, no?

Hartford and their planners deemed them competent enough to allow them to bid on and award them the contract. You have to prove yourself competent and capable of doing the work with proof of past work/projects, the whole 9 to bid on these contracts. They don't just let anyone bid on these projects

Hartford is just as much to blame for allowing their first attempt at a ballpark

 

[8893]

Hartford and their planners deemed them competent enough to allow them to bid on and award them the contract. You have to prove yourself competent and capable of doing the work with proof of past work/projects, the whole 9 to bid on these contracts. They don't just let anyone bid on these projects

Hartford is just as much to blame for allowing their first attempt at a ballpark

In other words:

 

[methodology]

There's 3 sides to a story. No one knows the facts yet. I can't trust hartford version of the facts

 

[Pudge]

Sometimes Development is binary: You know that there is a time deadline that makes your Economic Model obsolete. Baseball stadium is not nearly as black and white as some ... but there was a date certainty that Centerplan knew. That simply is the risk they took on. Yes, they have lots of projects going. They did not overcome the obstacles on this one. Yes, they will get hurt in many ways.

 

[jibsey]

Is the brewery/restaurant still coming?

 

[Excalibur]

In other words:

To some extent, yes. Centerplan's biggest asset, besides its portfolio of projects, is Bob Landino and his political connections from his time in the state legislature. I'm sure that those connections worked to his advantage in the bidding process, apparently to the point that the city was willing to look past the fact that the ballpark aspect of the development was well outside of their comfort zone, even if the rest of the project was right in their wheelhouse.

 

[Palatine]

Centerplan should have hired a sub to construct the stadium. The problems started very early on when the delivery of steel was late. That set everything back and they never caught up.

The rest of the DoNo plan was all in their wheel house. They could probably do a great job on the rest of the project but that ship has sailed.

Even with the set backs, I suspect the ball park will be a very big success. It's the rest of the project that is now sidelined and perhaps crippled.

 

[Danzz]

Centerplan is a very competent company and has a ton of other commercial projects going on. They will continue to operate.

This project was probably over their heads and out of their normal scope of work. I tend to believe the city and Centerplan share equal blame in this fiasco. I've worked on sport complex construction site that started from scratch there are always issues and delays and a majority of the time it's not the contractors fault

The owners have very deep pockets as the result of selling a manufacturing company and some condo projects. Their commercial projects have lost money. They are over their heads with a ballpark and if they actually tried to build the hotel, it would have been an even bigger disaster .
1) They agreed to an unrealistic schedule.
2) They fired the only manager that had experience on a commercial project of this size and decided to manage the project themselves.
3) They never had anywhere near enough sub contractors working on the project.
4) Some sub contractors waked off the job over payment issues.

 

[TRest]

Hartford and their planners deemed them competent enough to allow them to bid on and award them the contract. You have to prove yourself competent and capable of doing the work with proof of past work/projects, the whole 9 to bid on these contracts. They don't just let anyone bid on these projects

Hartford is just as much to blame for allowing their first attempt at a ballpark

I don't recall, but I don't think there was an open bidding process. Which is so Hartford.

 

[husky210]

Centerplan should have hired a sub to construct the stadium. The problems started very early on when the delivery of steel was late. That set everything back and they never caught up.

The rest of the DoNo plan was all in their wheel house. They could probably do a great job on the rest of the project but that ship has sailed.

Even with the set backs, I suspect the ball park will be a very big success. It's the rest of the project that is now sidelined and perhaps crippled.

Hiring "subs" is what every GC/Developer/whatever the hell you want to call them does. They usually only "self perform" a small portion of the work if any at all.

 

[husky210]

I don't recall, but I don't think there was an open bidding process. Which is so Hartford.

If i recall this was some sort of Design Build Procurement? Which means it doesnt necessarily have to be low bidder. All of the firms interview before a panel, provide resumes of key staff, present a preliminary vision for the project and eventually a price. They are graded on a number of categories and one is selected based on the "whole package". So if it was a DB contract then hartford deemed them competent.