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OT - Gottlieb being Gottlieb

Businesslawyer's actually making a pretty uncontroversial point.
Would something as allegedly innocuous as a misreporting based on a source lead to a lawsuit? I don’t think we see a lot of those flying around when someone’s sources are innocently inaccurate

At best, the loser was grossly irresponsible with handling whatever information he claims he received
 
Revisionist history. Read the first post. Skiblets called him a slimeball, and offered as evidence an article that did not prove that he did anything more than get a story wrong. You're acting as if Skiblets just called him a slimeball and I objected and said he wasn't (and, as I keep saying, I have not yet once said Gottlieb is not a slimeball).

I hate to break this to you, but someone who is a slimeball can still be accused of something unfairly.

You're trying to decipher skiblets' intentions from his post which consisted of one word. He said 'scumbag' and posted the link; he didn't say "Doug Gottlieb posted an incorrect claim about a sports agent, and this article shows why he is a scumbag." Maybe he meant "Gottlieb is a scumbag because of the many shady things he has done; here's an article showing another shady thing he did." That's how I interpreted it. This board has had plenty of talk about the kind of guy he is in the past. That context has to count, doesn't it?
 
You're trying to decipher skiblets' intentions from his post which consisted of one word. He said 'scumbag' and posted the link; he didn't say "Doug Gottlieb posted an incorrect claim about a sports agent, and this article shows why he is a scumbag." Maybe he meant "Gottlieb is a scumbag because of the many shady things he has done; here's an article showing another shady thing he did." That's how I interpreted it. This board has had plenty of talk about the kind of guy he is in the past. That context has to count, doesn't it?

I’ve said enough. You are welcome to have the last word on this. Have a good night.
 
LOL. Proof that it as compromise language written by the lawyers from the two sides.

Oh, absolutely.

Gottlieb’s contribution there was to cut and paste it into a Tweet while his attorneys looked over his shoulder.
 
It's not like this is the first time the guy ever made a mistake and is being labeled a slimeball for it.

His track record of narcism runs as deep as his days at OSU stealing peoples credit card info. So even if it was an "honest" mistake where he was unknowingly given and then published false information, the fact that he has shown he will do / say what ever serves him most, makes it hard to believe he didn't completely make it up or neglected to do proper journalistic due diligence on the info.

Whether he knew or not, the guy certainly is a slimeball and this doesn't help that reputation regardless of the facts.
He stole the card at ND..and was shown the door, which is what led to his transfer to OSU.
 
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This one went Full Yard almost immediately. We are in mid-season form already....
I'm expecting a pretty good year for the team, so feel extra responsibility to stay focused on pointless arguments, excessive definitive proclamations, and deliberately avoiding any subject matter directly tied to the original post. Mental toughness is incredibly important.
 
Great piece, appreciated Gottlieb's candor and sense of humility. Really love to celebrate comeback stories, unsure whether I can celebrate Gottlieb. Given his history of reckless journalistic half-baked takes its generally difficult to empathize with him. Gottlieb though is not the only broadcast analyst shilling questionable takes, on and off the air, he's simply a member of a very distinct club.
 
So if I break that down into its Carrolian logical components, you have concluded that because he didn't make the statement you would have liked to see if he didn't do anything wrong, therefore he did something wrong. Logic doesn't work that way.
Poor effort. Where did I say he did something wrong. I'll make it easy for you and copy my post:

"Not to be a lawyer on this, didn't see where he said "unknowingly". That is lot different than saying "the sources I relied on were incorrect, in no uncertain terms." after the fact in response to the law suit.

Also, he never said that he didn't know at the time of the tweet that it was false or didn't recklessly disregard information (or easily accessed information like calling up to confirm with the people involved) that would show it was false."

I said what I said, the "therefore he did something wrong" logic is on you.
 
A good number of years ago, I played in a men's league in CT where he played for another team. I knew one of his teammates pretty well. His teammates all hated him. Total to play against. He was the best player in the league by a wide margin and his team played better when he wasn't there. He was one of the youngest guys and the most accomplished player by miles. Lots of guys 20 years older than him playing. One time he tweeted about how he dropped 40 in a men's league.
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they play basketball.
 
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A good number of years ago, I played in a men's league in CT where he played for another team. I knew one of his teammates pretty well. His teammates all hated him. Total to play against. He was the best player in the league by a wide margin and his team played better when he wasn't there. He was one of the youngest guys and the most accomplished player by miles. Lots of guys 20 years older than him playing. One time he tweeted about how he dropped 40 in a men's league.
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they play basketball.
This is now kinda hard for me to believe after seeing his admitted college percentages, namely 46% from the line lol I think that was the one truly humbled part of his article.
 
This is now kinda hard for me to believe after seeing his admitted college percentages, namely 46% from the line lol I think that was the one truly humbled part of his article.
It's hard to believe he'd be the best player in a men's league in Canton CT? I think there was one other former D1 player (low level) who was about 40 years old and maybe 2-3 former D3 players, everyone else topped out in HS in places like Avon, Simsbury and Burlington.
 
It's hard to believe he'd be the best player in a men's league in Canton CT? I think there was one other former D1 player (low level) who was about 40 years old and maybe 2-3 former D3 players, everyone else topped out in HS in places like Avon, Simsbury and Burlington.
46% from the line is 46% from the line lol but hey if your league was that horrific what can I say
 
This is now kinda hard for me to believe after seeing his admitted college percentages, namely 46% from the line lol I think that was the one truly humbled part of his article.
Gottlieb led the country in assists his junior and senior year of college and helped take Okie State to the Elite 8. The guy could play and obviously would be way better than a bunch of 40+ year olds in a local Connecticut league.
 
Not piling on, but his percentages were low b/c he had a jacked shooting motion. Just pull him up on YouTube. Jamal Wilkes had an unorthodox yet smooth motion giving you the sense it was cash and that he had done it before. Gottlieb's form made you think that in his past he'd broken his arm, separated his shoulder or something.
 
Notwithstanding his shooting, he was a good high major D1 guard.
 
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Gottlieb led the country in assists his junior and senior year of college and helped take Okie State to the Elite 8. The guy could play and obviously would be way better than a bunch of 40+ year olds in a local Connecticut league.
So he passed the ball and his team mates hit shots
 
Are we allowed to be fair? I know nothing about this story other than what Skiblets linked, but is a broadcaster/reporter a slimeball because they get a story wrong? Wouldn't we need to know whether he believed that what he said was true, and whether it was reasonable to have such a belief based on where he got the story from, to speak badly of him? Because if the standard for reporters was "be right 100% of the time," no one would ever break a story.
The standard absolutely should be being 100% right all the time. Occasionally someone might not meet that standard and they should be criticized for it. Sacrificing accuracy in the rush to be first with the story is a relatively recent thing and has eroded the standing of journalists.

It is absolutely “fair“ to criticize journalist who fall short of that standard.
 
That's just not true as a matter of what reporting is. Sometimes even good reporters dig, and get evidence that they know is less than metaphysical proof but is enough to convince them it probably is true and the story is worth reporting, and then they turn out to be wrong. Stuff happens. If you only want reporters to report what is metaphysically true, all they will do is report what public actors tell them happened in press releases and is o.k. to report. We wouldn't have ever gotten to the bottom of Watergate, as just one example.
Yeah that’s just flat out the wrong. Journalists used to use multiple sources to validate the facts that they report. Watergate is a great example and that they didn’t go with that story until they were sure. In the event that they aren’t 100% sure they can either wait and do more digging or state that they have uncorroborated reports of an allegation. Even that is risky, but at least it’s honest. Reporting alligation as fact is a relatively recent occurrence.
 
Seriously, what is wrong with some of you? You really can't understand the difference between defending someone and pointing out that the accuser drew a conclusion from an article that didn't support it? The only reason it's difficult is it gets back to the only reason I posted in the first place -- America seems to have decided that if you don't like someone any attack on him is valid, and if you do like someone no attack on him is valid. Truth then stops being important. Keep it up my friends, but don't be surprised when it takes our country over a cliff one day.
Aren’t you the one who is actually defending someone who wasn’t truthful? I do agree with the rest of your post. For many it seems, truth and accuracy is less important than a validation of a pre-existing opinion of someone either being “good“ or “bad“ and it absolutely is driving the country over a cliff.
 
Yeah that’s just flat out the wrong. Journalists used to use multiple sources to validate the facts that they report. Watergate is a great example and that they didn’t go with that story until they were sure. In the event that they aren’t 100% sure they can either wait and do more digging or state that they have uncorroborated reports of an allegation. Even that is risky, but at least it’s honest. Reporting alligation as fact is a relatively recent occurrence.
I just don’t get why the dope couldn’t say something like “rumblings of tension between player and agent; difficulties with contract negotiations” rather than making definitive statements.

The guy’s ego couldn’t stop him from doing the latter.
 
Doug Gott-Nothing was a thief in school

Told Marcus Williams and AJ Price they had to transfer

Told Roscoe Smith to decommit because the wheels were coming of the program

Picked against us every game in the 2011 Championship run. He even picked us to lose in round one to like Bucknell, 5 games in 5 nights dontchaknow

He's as dumb as they come. Although I have no idea what he's said for over a decade now
 
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Doug Gott-Nothing was a thief in school

Told Marcus Williams and AJ Price they had to transfer

Told Roscoe Smith to decommit because the wheels were coming of the program

Picked against us every game in the 2011 Championship run. He even picked us to lose in round one to like Bucknell, 5 games in 5 nights dontchaknow

He's as dumb as they come. Although I have no idea what he's said for over a decade now
He also has this huge red-pill aspect of his persona, like a Diet Clay Travis

Just not a good or smart guy, period
 
Doug Gott-Nothing was a thief in school

Told Marcus Williams and AJ Price they had to transfer

Told Roscoe Smith to decommit because the wheels were coming of the program

Picked against us every game in the 2011 Championship run. He even picked us to lose in round one to like Bucknell, 5 games in 5 nights dontchaknow

He's as dumb as they come. Although I have no idea what he's said for over a decade now
This is the only instance that I know of any tv guy recommending that a player transfer out of a program or decommit from a program. And there have been programs in a hell of lot more trouble than we were at the time.

That's why this was so outrageous. And why I hate him so much.
 
This is the only instance that I know of any tv guy recommending that a player transfer out of a program or decommit from a program. And there have been programs in a hell of lot more trouble than we were at the time.

That's why this was so outrageous. And why I hate him so much.
He also told a kid not to commit to a HBCU and then in conversation implied that HBCU alums weren't highly thought of in real world.
 

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