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[Dove]

Fearing a runheavy game for the Packers, I scooped up Michael Penix off waivers and started him over J Love. It worked out. Alas, Nico Collins, T McLaurin and Kenny Walker did me in.

 

[ctbro1999]

Ok, if someone created the voodoo doll for my team, PLEASE stop stabbing it! I'm now down both my QBs and TE's I drafted. 😫

 

[Deepster]

Things I think after Week 2:

1) My hot take last week on KC missing the playoffs isn't even a hot take anymore. And Pat Mahomes has taken a step backwards.
2) Brandon Aubrey may finish the year Top 15 in overall FFL scoring.
3) Grab Bhayshul Tuten if he's somehow available. Or trade for him in dynasty.
4) Is Daniel Jones for real? Yes.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Things I think after Week 2:

1) My hot take last week on KC missing the playoffs isn't even a hot take anymore. And Pat Mahomes has taken a step backwards.
2) Brandon Aubrey may finish the year Top 15 in overall FFL scoring.
3) Grab Bhayshul Tuten if he's somehow available. Or trade for him in dynasty.
4) Is Daniel Jones for real? Yes.

In my Best Ball draft I took Tuten with my last pick. Thought by midseason he could be a good boom bust player, which is great in Best Ball.

KC may have just played the two best teams in the NFL, or at least two of the top 5. I think the Chargers are going to be very good. But it's a very tough division so they are at risk.

My dynasty team lost, Allen going out hurt me but the other guy lost Burrow so it is what it is.

 

[Deepster]

Disagree, I think he already has pretty much supplanted RS. RS was pretty bad last year and has infamous ball security issues. He hasn’t improved over the last 2 years. TH is electric and they invested a high pick in him. I think he is going a little high now, but the guy got him in the late 7th, that is great value.

Through 2 games:

Stevenson: 18 rushes, 69 yds, 0 TD, 8 targets, 7 receptions, 100 yds, 0 TD
Henderson: 8 rushes, 37 yds, 0 TD, 8 targets, 8 receptions, 54 yds, 0 TD

Both players have 1 rush over 10 yds. Stevenson has 1 catch over 25 yds.

 

[Deepster]

Things I think after 1 week....

1) Justin Fields may have some fantasy relevance.
2) The Russell Wilson signing was a mistake.
3) I would be very concerned about anyone on the Dolphins offense.
4) Hot Take: The Chiefs miss the playoffs.

Fields was horrific yesterday. 3/11 for 27 yds passing.
Danger Russ was out of his mind yesterday. 30/41, 450 yds and 3 TDs

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Through 2 games:

Stevenson: 18 rushes, 69 yds, 0 TD, 8 targets, 7 receptions, 100 yds, 0 TD
Henderson: 8 rushes, 37 yds, 0 TD, 8 targets, 8 receptions, 54 yds, 0 TD

Both players have 1 rush over 10 yds. Stevenson has 1 catch over 25 yds.

Aaaaand he fumbled twice. Once on the goal line. Thinking he may be losing grip now lol

 

[Deepster]

Aaaaand he fumbled twice. Once on the goal line. Thinking he may be losing grip now lol

Sounds to me like a guy that hasn't seen the payoff from his 7th rd pick yet. It will be interesting to see what happens next week. Here are the rush/rec before and after the fumbles.

The first fumble did not impact Stevenson's touches. The 2nd clearly did but it was a share between Henderson and Gibson....until Gibson fumbled and Stevenson fumbled again.

From there, it was all Henderson....but he really didn't do anything. 2.3 yds per carry on 10 carries with a long rush of 5 yds and a couple short passes. He clearly got the opportunity but did he win the job?

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Sounds to me like a guy that hasn't seen the payoff from his 7th rd pick yet. It will be interesting to see what happens next week. Here are the rush/rec before and after the fumbles.

The first fumble did not impact Stevenson's touches. The 2nd clearly did but it was a share between Henderson and Gibson....until Gibson fumbled and Stevenson fumbled again.

From there, it was all Henderson....but he really didn't do anything. 2.3 yds per carry on 10 carries with a long rush of 5 yds and a couple short passes. He clearly got the opportunity but did he win the job?

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Didn’t take Henderson in either of my leagues. You came back and posted stats about the first 2 weeks, I was watching the game yesterday and reacted to what I saw. Goal line fumbles are often inexcusable, especially with a guy like Vrabel at the helm. Henderson is gonna have every shot at lead back, as he should.

 

[Deepster]

Didn’t take Henderson in either of my leagues. You came back and posted stats about the first 2 weeks, I was watching the game yesterday and reacted to what I saw. Goal line fumbles are often inexcusable, especially with a guy like Vrabel at the helm. Henderson is gonna have every shot at lead back, as he should.

You posted this:

Disagree, I think he already has pretty much supplanted RS. RS was pretty bad last year and has infamous ball security issues. He hasn’t improved over the last 2 years. TH is electric and they invested a high pick in him. I think he is going a little high now, but the guy got him in the late 7th, that is great value.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

You posted this:

Disagree, I think he already has pretty much supplanted RS. RS was pretty bad last year and has infamous ball security issues. He hasn’t improved over the last 2 years. TH is electric and they invested a high pick in him. I think he is going a little high now, but the guy got him in the late 7th, that is great value.

Yep, @Hey Adrien! who posted his draft got TH in the late 7th. I said it was a good pick, I didn’t say I picked him.

 

[Deepster]

Yep, @Hey Adrien! who posted his draft got TH in the late 7th. I said it was a good pick, I didn’t say I picked him.

Well, regardless of who drafted him and who agreed with his draft position. His ADP was RB18 and he's currently performing as the RB35.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Well, regardless of who drafted him and who agreed with his draft position. His ADP was RB18 and he's currently performing as the RB35.

And now that he seemingly has the Green Light that ADP will likely make sense. That’s the kicker, here.

 

[Deepster]

And now that he seemingly has the Green Light that ADP will likely make sense. That’s the kicker, here.

Stevenson: 9 rushes, 38 yds, 1 rec, 3 yds = 10 touches for 41 yds
Henderson: 7 rushes, 32 yds, 2 rec, 14 yds = 9 touches for 46 yds
Gibson: 6 rushes, 27 yds, 0 rec, 0 yds = 6 touches for 27 yds

Full blown timeshare, even after the 2 fumbles by Stevenson last week.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Stevenson: 9 rushes, 38 yds, 1 rec, 3 yds = 10 touches for 41 yds
Henderson: 7 rushes, 32 yds, 2 rec, 14 yds = 9 touches for 46 yds
Gibson: 6 rushes, 27 yds, 0 rec, 0 yds = 6 touches for 27 yds

Full blown timeshare, even after the 2 fumbles by Stevenson last week.

Stevenson is better if he's not fumbling. Henderson is the better receiving back, more explosive, but his pass blocking hasn't been as expected. Most of the bigger runs came from two back sets. Henderson on a fake inside handoff to Stevenson and Stevenson on an inside run off a fake to Henderson in motion.

Patriots have faced the most stacked boxes of any team and I think those plays were designed to counter that.

 

[Deepster]

Stevenson is better if he's not fumbling. Henderson is the better receiving back, more explosive, but his pass blocking hasn't been as expected. Most of the bigger runs came from two back sets. Henderson on a fake inside handoff to Stevenson and Stevenson on an inside run off a fake to Henderson in motion.

Patriots have faced the most stacked boxes of any team and I think those plays were designed to counter that.

No argument. I'm watching this because I didn't buy the stock price on Henderson for fantasy football this year. People went starry eyed on his kickoff return TD and lost their minds and his draft stock went up way too high IMO.

That said, there just aren't many teams that don't have a full blown timeshare these days. Detroit, Washington, Seattle, Houston, etc, etc. When an RB has a decent FFL day, it's usually because they had a big play, not from 27 carries with 3 yds and a cloud of dust.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Stevenson: 9 rushes, 38 yds, 1 rec, 3 yds = 10 touches for 41 yds
Henderson: 7 rushes, 32 yds, 2 rec, 14 yds = 9 touches for 46 yds
Gibson: 6 rushes, 27 yds, 0 rec, 0 yds = 6 touches for 27 yds

Full blown timeshare, even after the 2 fumbles by Stevenson last week.

Henderson is better, watching the games it is evident. Good game from him, got into the endzone. Hope he keeps getting more opportunities.

 

[HuskyHawk]

No argument. I'm watching this because I didn't buy the stock price on Henderson for fantasy football this year. People went starry eyed on his kickoff return TD and lost their minds and his draft stock went up way too high IMO.

That said, there just aren't many teams that don't have a full blown timeshare these days. Detroit, Washington, Seattle, Houston, etc, etc. When an RB has a decent FFL day, it's usually because they had a big play, not from 27 carries with 3 yds and a cloud of dust.

Even in Detroit, the backup Montgomery had a huge fantasy day two weeks ago, because he's pretty good and often gets the goal line work rather than Gibbs. This week he didn't do squat and Gibbs had a big week. RBs who put up points reliably week to week are rare.

 

[Deepster]

Henderson is better, watching the games it is evident. Good game from him, got into the endzone. Hope he keeps getting more opportunities.

You keep trying to convince yourself of that but the stats and touches and direction from the coaching staff don't show it.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

You keep trying to convince yourself of that but the stats and touches and direction from the coaching staff don't show it.

Well as an unbiased observer it’s apparent he is better. Maybe if he shores up his protection issues he’ll get more run. This wholse conversation was originally about fantasy and TH had a good fantasy day, especially on a per-touch basis. Still good value where OP got him in his draft.

 

[Deepster]

Well as an unbiased observer it’s apparent he is better. Maybe if he shores up his protection issues he’ll get more run. This wholse conversation was originally about fantasy and TH had a good fantasy day, especially on a per-touch basis. Still good value where OP got him in his draft.

Yeah, again.....I don't see that. Drafted as the 18th RB off the board, he's nowhere close to that yet.

Guys taken well after him?
Tony Pollard RB25
Travis Ettiene RB32
Cam Skattebo RB36
Javonte Williams RB39
Woody Marks RB60

You'd trade any one of those for Henderson in a heartbeat right now.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Yeah, again.....I don't see that. Drafted as the 18th RB off the board, he's nowhere close to that yet.

Guys taken well after him?
Tony Pollard RB25
Travis Ettiene RB32
Cam Skattebo RB36
Javonte Williams RB39
Woody Marks RB60

You'd trade any one of those for Henderson in a heartbeat right now.

Again, you’re talking about where he ended up being drafted later on in the summer when he got headwind. Stop veering from the original discussion that I was praising the fella who got TH in the late 7th. That is good value.

Also Pollard has been pretty mid fantasy-wise, I have him and I know. Skatt has been good but got big opportunities from the TT injury. If Rhamondre got hurt, TH would be getting the same type of run.

No smart person is taking Woody Marks ROS over Treveyon.

 

[Deepster]

Again, you’re talking about where he ended up being drafted later on in the summer when he got headwind. Stop veering from the original discussion that I was praising the fella who got TH in the late 7th. That is good value.

Also Pollard has been pretty mid fantasy-wise, I have him and I know. Skatt has been good but got big opportunities from the TT injury. If Rhamondre got hurt, TH would be getting the same type of run.

No smart person is taking Woody Marks ROS over Treveyon.

I'm not sure you've been at this FFL thing very long. Or you're very good.

You've yet to show me one reason Henderson represents good value based on his average draft position citing things like "he should get the majority of the workload" every week, then he doesn't.

Marks had 17 carries for 69 yds and a TD plus 4 catches for 50 yds and another TD receiving yesterday. Better than any game Henderson's had yet and he has an old and recently injured Nick Chubb for competition or Joe Mixon who likely won't play this season. And he was drafted 7-8 rds later than Henderson. I'll bet you he has more rushing yds, receiving yds and TD's than Henderson from this point forward.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I'm not sure you've been at this FFL thing very long. Or you're very good.

You've yet to show me one reason Henderson represents good value based on his average draft position citing things like "he should get the majority of the workload" every week, then he doesn't.

Marks had 17 carries for 69 yds and a TD plus 4 catches for 50 yds and another TD receiving yesterday. Better than any game Henderson's had yet and he has an old and recently injured Nick Chubb for competition or Joe Mixon who likely won't play this season. And he was drafted 7-8 rds later than Henderson. I'll bet you he has more rushing yds, receiving yds and TD's than Henderson from this point forward.

Again, try to stay with me here: I said the original poster got good value at the 94th pick. No mention of average draft position. So don’t bring it back up please, I don’t want to clarify that for the 5th time to you.

So, since you wanted to be a bit of a (blank) with your opening statement, I can follow suit. Apparently you are a Pats fan (Can’t tell) but it’s odd how much you are suckling at the teat of Rhamondre when he has fumbling issues that are very apparent, while putting down your teams 2nd round pick who so obviously has a higher ceiling. I don’t have an explanation other than you just want to argue. If that’s it, so be it.

Finally, accusing me of being a Fantasy newbie/not good at it while overreacting to a WOODY MARKS random game is pretty hilarious, they played the Titans for pete’s sake. Get real.

 

[Deepster]

Again, try to stay with me here: I said the original poster got good value at the 94th pick. No mention of average draft position. So don’t bring it back up please, I don’t want to clarify that for the 5th time to you.

So, since you wanted to be a bit of a (blank) with your opening statement, I can follow suit. Apparently you are a Pats fan (Can’t tell) but it’s odd how much you are suckling at the teat of Rhamondre when he has fumbling issues that are very apparent, while putting down your teams 2nd round pick who so obviously has a higher ceiling. I don’t have an explanation other than you just want to argue. If that’s it, so be it.

Finally, accusing me of being a Fantasy newbie/not good at it while overreacting to a WOODY MARKS random game is pretty hilarious, they played the Titans for pete’s sake. Get real.

I get it. Average Draft Position is a metric used to identify when a pick is too soon, right on or a value. Henderson's ADP and taking him in the 7th rd has not paid off yet. Not even close....but you keep skating right past that.

Being a Pats fan is irrelevant in a fantasy football thread because I'll take anyone who'll help me win. This interests me because people like you fawned all over one highlight in the preseason (so referencing Marks' actual NFL performance is funny considering the one real Henderson highlight came against camp scrubs).

I'll say it one more time. I'll take Marks, you can have Henderson and I'll bet Marks has better rush yds, receiving yds and total TDs. All 3 have to come through or I lose.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I get it. Average Draft Position is a metric used to identify when a pick is too soon, right on or a value. Henderson's ADP and taking him in the 7th rd has not paid off yet. Not even close....but you keep skating right past that.

Being a Pats fan is irrelevant in a fantasy football thread because I'll take anyone who'll help me win. This interests me because people like you fawned all over one highlight in the preseason (so referencing Marks' actual NFL performance is funny considering the one real Henderson highlight came against camp scrubs).

I'll say it one more time. I'll take Marks, you can have Henderson and I'll bet Marks has better rush yds, receiving yds and total TDs. All 3 have to come through or I lose.

I don’t bet and I am not betting over the internet lol. Friendly wager for bragging rights, sure.

If you got TH at the 94th pick, you weere getting him at or after Devonta Smith, DJ Moore, Travis Hunter, Jaylen Waddle, Travis Kelce, TJ Hockenson, Calvin Ridley, Isaiah Pacheco, Michael Pittman, Matthew Golden and RJ Harvey, for example. He has great prospects to be better than all of those guys ROS, especially with Rhamondre’s continuing fumbling problem. Run first offense and Drake Maye likes to throw to his backs.

We can agree to disagree on this, and we can revisit when the season is over.

 

[ctbro1999]

Yeah, again.....I don't see that. Drafted as the 18th RB off the board, he's nowhere close to that yet.

Guys taken well after him?
Tony Pollard RB25
Travis Ettiene RB32
Cam Skattebo RB36
Javonte Williams RB39
Woody Marks RB60

You'd trade any one of those for Henderson in a heartbeat right now.

Williams has been a godsend for me. Especially with 3 of my top 4 draft picks being lost for the season/out for multiple weeks.

Pollard hasn't been spectacular but at least he's been a steady source of points.

 

[Deepster]

I left my draft with Nabers, London, Worthy and Kittle at TE and they were together for one quarter.

 

[Deepster]

Stevenson: 7 carries, 14 yds, 2 TDs, 2 rec, 13 yds = 9 touches, 27 yds, 2 TDs -
Henderson: 6 carries, 24 yds, 0 TDs, 2 rec, 3 yds = 8 touches, 27 yds, 0 TDs
Woody Marks: 7 carries, 24 yds, 0 TDs, 0 rec, 0 yds = 7 touches, 24 yds, 0 TDs

Stevenson had another fumble Sunday. He had 7 touches after the fumble. Same number as Henderson all game.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Lost my matchup yesterday by about 1/3 of one point. Is there anything more annoying in fantasy football?

In my keeper league (uses Sleeper app) we instituted 2 "wins" per week, head to head and scoring above the median. I think it's a very good approach that helps avoid some absurd results.