ot: fake classes at unc

[husky99]

http://m.newsobserver.com/observer/db_97301/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=AltOop2x&full=true#display

 

[Fishy]

APR hit for fake classes?

Nada.

 

[upstater]

APR hit for fake classes?

Nada.

"Just the stats, Ma'am."

 

[Husk-E]

Something tells me that they didn't have any Andrew Nicholsons on that team

(Andrew Nicholson majored in physics and spent four years in college while also making it to the NBA)

 

[sledog]

Physicks? You mean like enama-ology??

I mean like why would you go to UNC to major in the real thing??

 

[Chuck]

APR hit for fake classes?

Nada.

Some how, some of our guys would've failed the fake class. At least UNC knew to give good fake grades.

 

[CTGoonie]

Is it too late to go back and change the grades then admit we cheated?

 

[CL82]

Some how, some of our guys would've failed the fake class. At least UNC knew to give good fake grades.

You are an idiot.

 

[freescooter]

This reminds me of a comment a friend made when the pastor of his church was accused of siphoning money for his personal use from the parish. "Well, at least he was just stealing, not assaulting boys." At least UNCwas just providing bogus classes. they weren't covering up for a pedophile.

 

[Chuck]

You are an idiot.

I get called worse than that on a near daily basis, but I think that's my first Boneyard ad hominem attack. I feel like I've arrived. I will always remember you CL82!

Humor, even bad humor, can make you feel better about a crappy situation.

Our APR situation is, in my opinion, 70% the NCAA's fault for stupid arbitrary rules that don't actually further the alleged goal, and 30% our fault for not doing a better job graduating players OR at least playing the game other big programs play. The point of my post was that other big programs did/continue to do worse things than we did, but we were terrible about taking steps to minimize the impact. The actual tourney ban is 100% the NCAA's fault for retroactive punishment.

 

[upstater]

I get called worse than that on a near daily basis, but I think that's my first Boneyard ad hominem attack. I feel like I've arrived. I will always remember you CL82!

Humor, even bad humor, can make you feel better about a crappy situation.

Our APR situation is, in my opinion, 70% the NCAA's fault for stupid arbitrary rules that don't actually further the alleged goal, and 30% our fault for not doing a better job graduating players OR at least playing the game other big programs play. The point of my post was that other big programs did/continue to do worse things than we did, but we were terrible about taking steps to minimize the impact. The actual tourney ban is 100% the NCAA's fault for retroactive punishment.

I don't think you understand what the APR is. It has NOTHING to do with graduating players. There is literally nothing about graduation in the rule.

 

[Chuck]

I don't think you understand what the APR is. It has NOTHING to do with graduating players. There is literally nothing about graduation in the rule.

I do understand the APR (well, at least as much as one should without living in their parents basement). That's why I mentioned that the rule is stupid and arbitrary and that our fault is not playing the game the right way. The APR is merely a public relations tool used by the NCAA.

You are right, however, that my mere mentioning of graduating has no place in the APR discussion. I was assuming that if you graduate, you were achieving eligibility points, but I guess if it takes you too long to graduate, you may actually negatively impact the APR (another ridiculous feature that defeats the alleged goal of the rule).

Unfortunately, the rule is in place. It's UConn's job to follow what's in place and it appears that they are now doing that quite well. In the past... Not so much.

 

[upstater]

I do understand the APR (well, at least as much as one should without living in their parents basement). That's why I mentioned that the rule is stupid and arbitrary and that our fault is not playing the game the right way. The APR is merely a public relations tool used by the NCAA.

You are right, however, that my mere mentioning of graduating has no place in the APR discussion. I was assuming that if you graduate, you were achieving eligibility points, but I guess if it takes you too long to graduate, you may actually negatively impact the APR (another ridiculous feature that defeats the alleged goal of the rule).

Unfortunately, the rule is in place. It's UConn's job to follow what's in place and it appears that they are now doing that quite well. In the past... Not so much.

All I was saying is that graduating earns your school no points.

UConn's mission is NOT to follow what's in place. The school's mission is to educate its students. If the will to improve APR results in not educating students, then UConn is actually not fulfilling its mission, and it's therefore NOT doing its job.

 

[CL82]

You're welcome Chuck, but you're still a newb.

Buying into the mythology that academics are taken seriously at UConn is shows a lack of understanding of the issue and the history but an ad hominum attack on players is unacceptable. Calling it a joke doesn't change that.

Some how, some of our guys would've failed the fake class.

Which players on the team are you suggesting couldn't pass a fake class?

 

[CL82]

You're welcome Chuck, but you're still a newb.

Buying into the mythology that academics are not taken seriously at UConn is shows a lack of understanding of the issue and the history but an ad hominum attack on players is unacceptable. Calling it a joke doesn't change that.


Which players on the team are you suggesting couldn't pass a fake class?

Oops, my original post is corrected above.

 

[Chuck]

Good correction CL. I was going to go in to attack mode, but I figured it was a typo.

I am not buying into the mythology that academics are not taken seriously at UConn. I personally don't think that, for better or worse, players should be judged differently than the rest of the student body. The school should be judged by the support provided to allow for success. I had friends and roommates that were athletes (not basketball players) that got tons of extra support. I was quite frankly jealous. They still had to do the work. Some succeeded, some didn't. I know that UConn provides the support necessary for basketball players to succeed.

The truth is often said in jest. My comment was a joke, but was based upon certain facts. Our APR sucked. Someone caused that, especially considering that the APR is better at just about every major D1 school. It is either the school's fault, or the ex-players fault. I personally believe that the school didn't push players to game the system, but that the players that lost us eligibility points have some culpability. Maybe my comment that they would've "failed" should've read that they would have "withdrawn or otherwise received an incomplete prior to transferring or going to the NBA which would have cost us eligibility points." My comments were not ad hominum by definition. If I name people for you, I am making them ad hominum.

I really have nothing else to add. I'm a longtime fan that is relatively upbeat (except when I'm throwing things at my tv). If you think I'm an idiot, then that is your right, and you certainly can choose to rebut anything I've said here if you feel the need, but I think I'm done with my defense.

 

[CL82]

Good correction CL. I was going to go in to attack mode, but I figured it was a typo.

I am not buying into the mythology that academics are not taken seriously at UConn. I personally don't think that, for better or worse, players should be judged differently than the rest of the student body. The school should be judged by the support provided to allow for success. I had friends and roommates that were athletes (not basketball players) that got tons of extra support. I was quite frankly jealous. They still had to do the work. Some succeeded, some didn't. I know that UConn provides the support necessary for basketball players to succeed.

The truth is often said in jest. My comment was a joke, but was based upon certain facts. Our APR sucked. Someone caused that, especially considering that the APR is better at just about every major D1 school. It is either the school's fault, or the ex-players fault. I personally believe that the school didn't push players to game the system, but that the players that lost us eligibility points have some culpability. Maybe my comment that they would've "failed" should've read that they would have "withdrawn or otherwise received an incomplete prior to transferring or going to the NBA which would have cost us eligibility points." My comments were not ad hominum by definition. If I name people for you, I am making them ad hominum.

I really have nothing else to add. I'm a longtime fan that is relatively upbeat (except when I'm throwing things at my tv). If you think I'm an idiot, then that is your right, and you certainly can choose to rebut anything I've said here if you feel the need, but I think I'm done with my defense.

Really, you need to learn about this issue. Your argument above is basically, we were sanctioned by the NCAA therefore we must be worthy of being sanctioned. A bit circular don't you think? Try reading some of the old threads on the issue to get some context.

Your attack against the players was out of line. You might want to examine your motives for it. I think that there are clues to that in your post above.

Finally, you can make an ad hominum attack without using proper names as long as your target is identifiable.