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i saw it all over espn today. there are 2 people involved, but JoPa is not as he came forward with some information and reported something as soon as he was aware of it. but the other two who are implicated apparently did not. i always cringe when i hear about adults of either sex use their influence in a position of power to take advantage of under age kids of either sex. children are supposed to trust adults and adults are supposed to protect them. i realize there are bad people out there, but it's harder to hear about it being done to defenseless people.
 
Since I am in CT I know nothing more than what has been on the news. It is a horrible situation. Sandusky was a well respected member of the State college community. He was the czar of linebacker U. And creator of the rotating zone that totally befuddled Testeverde in the Orange Bowl.

The Second Mile charity is a huge mid state charity giving kids a second chance. It hosts a big celebrity golf tournament with many returning PSU football alums and fellow pros. What is reported is despicable and will reverberate throughout the region with untold consequences. The present indictments only scratch the surface of things that will need to be investigated. Sandusky and his wife have helped to raise about 20 foster kids. These kids are very vulnerable to such abuses but there is nothing reported from them yet.

As a mandated reporter in PA we as pastors are well instructed in the law and our responsibilities. I am not sure reporting the situation to those up the chain clears one of reporting responsibility. I believe each individual is required to make sure the authorities (police) are informed. Reporting it to the AD may not be sufficient so I am not sure technically of Joe's status but cooperating with the Grand Jury and having made a report may get him clear for cooperation.

This is going to be as ugly as it can get.
 
Icebear said:
Since I am in CT I know nothing more than what has been on the news? It is a horrible situation. Sandusky was a well respected member of the State college community. The Second Mile charity is a huge mid state charity giving kids a second chance. What is reported is despicable and will reverberate throughout the region with untold consequences. The present indictments only scratch the surface of things that will need to be investigated. Sandusky and his wife have helped to raise about 20 foster kids. These kids are very vulnerable to such abuses but there is nothing reported from them yet.

As a mandated reporter in PA we as pastors are well instructed in the law and our responsibilities. I am not sure reporting the situation to those up the chain clears one of reporting responsibility. I believe each individual is required to make sure the authorities (police) are informed. Reporting it to the AD may not be sufficient so I am not sure technically of Joe's status but cooperating with the Grand Jury and having made a report may get himclear for cooperation.

This is going to be as ugly as it can get.
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The report made it look like President Spanier did not pursue things. Any idea if he will be implicated in this mess?
 
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seems that Papa reported and they didnt follow up... or turned a blind eye
 
DaddyChoc said:
seems that Papa reported and they didnt follow up... or turned a blind eye
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But reported to who? Administration or the police. Educators in PA are mandated reporters but I am not sure how university staff are affected. It appears they are not since what Curley and Shultz are charged with is perjury and not failure to report.
 
Sick and sad situation all the way around. Personally, I'm not sure how you can be aware of this information and not go to the police/authorities. I know Joe Pa passed the info along to his "superior" but, it just doesn't seem like enough to me. I pray for those men affected. Wow.
 
Icebear said:
But reported to who? Administration or the police. Educators in PA are mandated reporters but I am not sure how university staff are affected. It appears they are not since what Curley and Shultz are charged with is perjury and not failure to report.
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Curley and Shultz have both been charged with failure to report under Pennsylvania's child protective services law. These charges are in addition to the perjury charges you mention.

Here's a link to the grand jury report which contains very graphic and disturbing allegations.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/read_the_grand_jury_presentmen.html
 
miraclelady said:
Sick and sad situation all the way around. Personally, I'm not sure how you can be aware of this information and not go to the police/authorities. I know Joe Pa passed the info along to his "superior" but, it just doesn't seem like enough to me. I pray for those men affected. Wow.
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Exactly the point made by Mike Wise of the Washington post in his column:

"Paterno wasn’t charged, but if Sandusky is guilty he would be guilty — just as Penn State’s athletic director and a university vice president, who were charged with perjury and failure to report suspected child abuse on Saturday, would be guilty.

They would all be party to a worse crime than any crooked, pay-for-play booster at Miami, Ohio State or even SMU ever committed: guilty of protecting a program before a child.

You can’t read the 23-page grand jury report and come to any other conclusion; Penn State football and its pristine reputation apparently superseded the alleged sexual assault of a young boy — perhaps as many as eight young boys — over 15 years by Sandusky.

Joe Pa knew, if the charges are true.

They all knew.

And they never told police."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...erve/2011/11/05/gIQAYIucqM_story.html?hpid=z1
 
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I have no doubt that JoePa is guilty. This goes all the way to the top of that chain of command, including the Penn State president imo.

This scandal makes everything else look trivial... Even that university's most recent black mark, Rene Portland.
 
As I said earlier my understanding of PA's law is that JoePa did have the responsibility to make direct report to the authorities he may not have been indicted because of his cooperation with the Grand Jury and providing it truthful info.

Something more troubling is the apparent report of potential culpability of an officer who told the earliest known parent of a victim not to talk to reporters. She did not or this might have surfaced in 1998(?).


PA Child Protection Act 1975
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-act-238-of-1975.pdf
 
speedoo said:
I have no doubt that JoePa is guilty. This goes all the way to the top of that chain of command, including the Penn State president imo.

This scandal makes everything else look trivial... Even that university's most recent black mark, Rene Portland.
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Sadly on the PennLive Lady Lions board are using it to rationalize away Rene's situation.
 
Icebear said:
Sadly on the PennLive Lady Lions board are using it to rationalize away Rene's situation.
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Really? One could argue that a University that would *allegedly* put their football team ahead of the safety and well being of young children would also put their basketball program ahead of the safety and well being of young women. Not exactly the same situation, I know, but parallels. People in power knew and did nothing.
 
ThisJustIn said:
Really? One could argue that a University that would *allegedly* put their football team ahead of the safety and well being of young children would also put their basketball program ahead of the safety and well being of young women. Not exactly the same situation, I know, but parallels. People in power knew and did nothing.
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I understand but check it out. You might know the guy named icebear1 :)
 
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There might be more to this story and more shoes will fall.......
 
I don't know if the law required Paterno to contact the police, but not doing so doesn't seem praise-worthy in any way - the crime was despicable and needed reporting to put an end to Sandusky's activity. JP reported it to his supervisor but was TOTALLY aware that nothing was being done. He was part of the coverup. He just didn't lie to the grand jury like the other two guys did.
 
Aluminny69 said:
I don't know if the law required Paterno to contact the police, but not doing so doesn't seem praise-worthy in any way - the crime was despicable and needed reporting to put an end to Sandusky's activity. JP reported it to his supervisor but was TOTALLY aware that nothing was being done. He was part of the coverup. He just didn't lie to the grand jury like the other two guys did.
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Legalities aside the moral choice is to have followed up and taken responsibilities for making sure everything was done to halt the situation.
 
jsloanjr said:
There might be more to this story and more shoes will fall.......
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Agreed, cannot believe everything for and against all involved is out yet.
 
For those outside the area to understand the scale and impact of this Regionally, it is like this being revealed in an organization like the Jimmy V foundation.
 
Icebear said:
As I said earlier my understanding of PA's law is that JoePa did have the responsibility to make direct report to the authorities he may not have been indicted because of his cooperation with the Grand Jury and providing it truthful info.
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The PA act says:

An individual is required to report under this act as follows:

(a) A physician, dentist, physician's assistant, registered dental hygienist, medical examiner, nurse, person licensed to provide emergency medical care, audiologist, psychologist, marriage and family therapist, icensed professional counselor, social worker, licensed master's social worker, licensed bachelor's social worker, registered social service technician, social service technician, a person employed in a professional capacity in any office of the friend of the court, school administrator, school counselor or teacher, law nforcement officer, member of the clergy, or regulated child care provider.

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Do you think Paterno falls under the category of school administrator? Or is there some other reference elsewhere that would bring in coaches?
 
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It is so sad to think that Paterno’s legacy may end up being ,, covering up child sexual abuse.

Everyone should heed Spike Lee's advice, "Do The Right Thing."
 
stamfordhusky said:
The PA act says:

An individual is required to report under this act as follows:

(a) A physician, dentist, physician's assistant, registered dental hygienist, medical examiner, nurse, person licensed to provide emergency medical care, audiologist, psychologist, marriage and family therapist, icensed professional counselor, social worker, licensed master's social worker, licensed bachelor's social worker, registered social service technician, social service technician, a person employed in a professional capacity in any office of the friend of the court, school administrator, school counselor or teacher, law nforcement officer, member of the clergy, or regulated child care provider.

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Do you think Paterno falls under the category of school administrator? Or is there some other reference elsewhere that would bring in coaches?
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That is exactly what I am unsure of and may well be what Curley and Schultz are banking on, as well, in proclaiming their legal innocence. Since the Athletic Dept. at PSU is a freestanding corporation they may be insisting the regulations do not apply to them. Only time will tell.
 
What amazes me is that people in positions of oversight, be they ADs or bishops, seem to be more concerned about protecting the predator than protecting the victims. They may be thinking they are protecting their institution but in the end it is the predator that benefits.
 
vtcwbuff said:
What amazes me is that people in positions of oversight, be they ADs or bishops, seem to be more concerned about protecting the predator than protecting the victims.
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Amen. Protecting their "reputation" organizationally motivates them to simply continue the perpetuation of the abuse of power upon the victims.
 
Innocent children where hurt. Outside of the perpetrator, the real indictment is an institution that chose to protect it's image as opposed to protecting innocent victims.

There was failure up and down the line in this matter. Outside the acts by Sandusky, the greatest failure was the cover up. Some of the individuals in this matter are guilty in that they failed to follow through. But the real guilt lies in the attempt to cover things up. Certain individuals deliberately sought to protect the institution and ignored the children's protection.

I don't see how the President of the University is insulated from this. Unless the 2002 report he received from the head of campus police was completely altered. Even so I would imagine he would have been aware of the 1998 episodes, and based on those events, raised a red flag regarding the 2002 report.

It would be absolutely horrible if the President of PSU put pressure on the investigating arm of his university to squelch the report. But unfortunately, the first reflex in these matters is for authorities to rationalize the greater good of the institution is more important than the importance of individuals. And people may have felt the reputation of Penn State and its football program was much more important than a few kids.
 
Paterno should have immediately fired Sandusky for cause instead of just allowing him to retire. Its almost as if he wanted to sweep it under the carpet never to see the light of day.
 
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