OT - Dietary Supplements

[Phorcys]

Dr. Oz has wonderful ideas about magic supplements.

 

[intlzncster]

The blender is less expensive and more efficient, and it uses more of the vegetable, including the fiber, which can be very important for many (although not remotely my issue). I am probably going that route soon, too, though; but I think the juice extractor produces a much more palatable product for my tastes. My usual is a "green lemonade" that includes kale, cucumbers, parsley/cilantro/or mint, lemon, lime and green apple.

Yes, I've almost pulled the trigger on one a few times in the past few months, but I'm too stubborn knowing how much I dropped on the Breville a few years ago. It will happen soon though. When I bought the Breville it was the best product on the market, and then they improved the design a year or so later to add a blender function. That pissed me off enough; then Nutribullet really upped their game with a cheaper and easier alternative, which I am slowly coming 'round to.

Def get the N Rx. More expensive, but way more versatile and powerful. JMO. And dude, it does soups!! I've used multiple versions, and the Rx really is worth the extra $70. Can't recommend it enough.

No reason you can't do both your breville and the NB. Make a big juice on the weekend and save for a few days.* Stagger smoothies in between.

*and no, you don't have to worry about the nutrients degrading. They do, but not remotely to a level that wouldn't justify the consumption of the juice. Just preserve properly. Hell, freeze if you want to.

 

[intlzncster]

Dr. Oz has wonderful ideas about magic supplements.

Dr Oz is bats**t insane.

 

[superjohn]

My biggest problem is that I drink way too much. Not quite Leaving Las Vegas, but 10+ drinks 3-4 nights a week. I've just recently gotten into the superfood craze the last few years. I smoothie like a son of a bitch with a magic bullet. Its really cheap and works great. My daily smoothie consists of chocolate whey protein, creatine, green superfood, yeast, a grain mix (quinoa, flaxseed, chia, bulgur, maca, hemp seed & wheat germ), honey, cinnamon, ginger, canned pumpkin, lemon juice, lime juice, almond milk, coconut oil, olive oil, greek yogurt, berry mix, oranges, apples, banana, watermelon, grapefruit, pineapple, avocado & kiwi. I swear to god, it doesn't taste bad at all. I hit the salad bar hard too. I get about every veggie with a variety of kale, spinach, arugula, etc. I call it the kitchen sink salad. Make sure you get your salmon and tuna on top of your other proteins. I eat a lot of bean salads and grail mixes in greek yogurt too. I also take fish oil, multivitamin, D, B12, zinc, etc. I guess my m.o. is a little bit of everything good. That balances out my alcoholism and gets me just right.

Your daily smoothie sounds great but 30 freaking ingredients sounds crazy to me. As long as you can deal with it and it doesn't destroy your wallet then it's good, that sounds too time consuming to me though with all the shopping. I usually drink once a week and it's usually of the binge variety. Any doc will tell you drinking heavily is not good for you but if you keep a great diet like you do and get some exercise in you should be fine.

My biggest problem is that I drink way too much. Not quite Leaving Las Vegas, but 10+ drinks 3-4 nights a week. I've just recently gotten into the superfood craze the last few years. I smoothie like a son of a bitch with a magic bullet. Its really cheap and works great. My daily smoothie consists of chocolate whey protein, creatine, green superfood, yeast, a grain mix (quinoa, flaxseed, chia, bulgur, maca, hemp seed & wheat germ), honey, cinnamon, ginger, canned pumpkin, lemon juice, lime juice, almond milk, coconut oil, olive oil, greek yogurt, berry mix, oranges, apples, banana, watermelon, grapefruit, pineapple, avocado & kiwi. I swear to god, it doesn't taste bad at all. I hit the salad bar hard too. I get about every veggie with a variety of kale, spinach, arugula, etc. I call it the kitchen sink salad. Make sure you get your salmon and tuna on top of your other proteins. I eat a lot of bean salads and grail mixes in greek yogurt too. I also take fish oil, multivitamin, D, B12, zinc, etc. I guess my m.o. is a little bit of everything good. That balances out my alcoholism and gets me just right.

 

[superjohn]

The problem with eating a ton of veggies and fruits is that they go bad quickly so it's a lot of trips to the market. I've always gone the frozen route because it's much easier and it's most likely better for you than the fresh stuff you get at the market.

 

[intlzncster]

The problem with eating a ton of veggies and fruits is that they go bad quickly so it's a lot of trips to the market. I've always gone the frozen route because it's much easier and it's most likely better for you than the fresh stuff you get at the market.

Yeah, me too. Especially particular fruits and veggies: blueberries, mango, spinach, sometimes kale... As a bonus, you don't need to add ice to a smoothie.

 

[Jay-Bone]

Your daily smoothie sounds great but 30 freaking ingredients sounds crazy to me. As long as you can deal with it and it doesn't destroy your wallet then it's good, that sounds too time consuming to me though with all the shopping. I usually drink once a week and it's usually of the binge variety. Any doc will tell you drinking heavily is not good for you but if you keep a great diet like you do and get some exercise in you should be fine.

Believe it or not, its not as bad as it sounds....and I'm lazy. This is the extent of my "cooking". I started out with a few items and just kept adding to it. It's easier for me to have a lot of different ingredients every day than to try to cycle through different smoothie recipes. The grain mix is pre-batched to last a couple of months. The fruit is frozen and I just grab a piece of each. All in all it takes me about 5 mins. I don't even need to shop often because the only ingredients that go bad are the fruits and their frozen.

Now for the liver being fine....that's another story.

 

[Phorcys]

The best health advice in this thread: take the stairs…not the escalators or elevators.

 

[Kitaman]

Some great advice here. I think I'll start something tomorrow.

 

[Jay-Bone]

Some great advice here. I think I'll start something tomorrow.

Or maybe in 20 minutes....

 

[tykurez]

Yeah, me too. Especially particular fruits and veggies: blueberries, mango, spinach, sometimes kale... As a bonus, you don't need to add ice to a smoothie.

Bingo. We go kale, ripe banana, pineapple chunks and then some frozen blueberries and strawberries or peaches with coconut milk. So so so good.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

I've yo-yo'd pretty well for the past 20 years or so, going from health scares to religious adoption of new exercise/dietary regimens and back again every few years, losing the religious fervor once the results are achieved and bad habits creep back in.

Had a physical yesterday and my doc called me out on trying to game the tests and pointed out the harm that my yo-yo-ing would ultimately do. He asked me what I wanted to do and I asked him for a referral to a nutritionist because I said I want to have a road map for eating for my next 50 years (I turn 50 next week). I've made a lot of things work for me in terms of diet and exercise, but it's been getting harder and harder to rebound from each time I give it all back, and some of my old methods simply don't work as well any more.

I think what @Deepster and @TasteofUConn are saying is what I'm hoping to achieve, but this time based on the advice of professional that is tailored to me, rather than basing it on my read of various sources.

I have worked with a dietitian (I believe that dietitian's are registered or certified or something, but "nutritionists" not so much). I found this to be helpful because she worked with me to change the way I eat gradually. Just going to see someone who is going to weigh and measure you was helpful to me. I also asked my wife to come to the meetings with me because she buys the food and does most of the non-grilling type cooking. Getting spouse on board was a big plus. My dietitian claims that completely stopping carbs is counterproductive long-term. I have been keeping track of several things (exercise and some other stuff) which helped me to keep it going (self-monitoring). Getting my GI system to work much better has been a big deal for me as well. I went from about 220 lbs before starting in February of 2014 and went down to around 168 where I stayed for quite a long time. I have bounced up again to about 174 as I keep hurting myself with my exercising and have had to cut back on some things I was doing. About to go on vacation, so hopeful will not lose too much ground. I take fish oil, probiotic, fiber, garlic, vitamin D and E, and ubiquinal (version of COQ10 for we older folks). I don't know if they help for sure, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it is my current view (except I'm going to stop garlic as a test).

 

[intlzncster]

My dietitian claims that completely stopping carbs is counterproductive long-term. .

This is absolutely true. It's about getting the right carbs. Not cutting them out completely. The body needs carbs in balance. If you cut them out completely, for a lot of people, the body adjusts by storing fat at a greater rate, so as to have a store of energy if needed. Harder to lose weight this way.

There's a big difference between something like steel cut oats or quinoa and wonder bread. Even a big difference between white and wild rice. Cut processed, sugar enhanced carbs. And obviously, avoid HFCS like the plague.

I have a tough time with that last one, because I like candy. I'm very fit, but slowly weaning off it anway. Especially crap chocolate. I **cking love chocolate. I've found some high cacao dark chocolate that is good, and you need much less to feel 'satiated'.

 

[NJHusky]

My dietitian claims that completely stopping carbs is counterproductive long-term. I have been keeping track of several things (exercise and some other stuff) which helped me to keep it going (self-monitoring). .

IMO you need to differentiate between grains and carbs....veggies have carbs...but they are healthy. There are a lot of folks that think grains of any type are basically poisoning your body because they are inflamatory...read Grain Brain and Wheat Belly about the negative consequences on the brain and heart caused by grains. I'm 50+ and in reasonable condition for my age. I started a 21 day primal cleanse from marksdailyapple.com---no grains of any kind, no sugar and no legumes. Basically veggies, protein and some fats. My joint pain is gone after only 10 days and I dropped 6 lbs. If you eat carbs, you body burns sugar for fuel and stores fat....if you don't eat grains, your body burns fat for fuel.

I'd be interested if anyone has any experience with a Ketogenic diet....I'm not eating enough fat to go into ketosis but am considering it

As for supplements....Vitamin D (most Americans are deficient), MCT Oil, Fish Oil, Multi and K2. Check out this video on the importance of Vitamin D

 

[Gutter King]

IMO you need to differentiate between grains and carbs....veggies have carbs...but they are healthy. There are a lot of folks that think grains of any type are basically poisoning your body because they are inflamatory...read Grain Brain and Wheat Belly about the negative consequences on the brain and heart caused by grains. I'm 50+ and in reasonable condition for my age. I started a 21 day primal cleanse from marksdailyapple.com---no grains of any kind, no sugar and no legumes. Basically veggies, protein and some fats. My joint pain is gone after only 10 days and I dropped 6 lbs. If you eat carbs, you body burns sugar for fuel and stores fat....if you don't eat grains, your body burns fat for fuel.

I'd be interested if anyone has any experience with a Ketogenic diet....I'm not eating enough fat to go into ketosis but am considering it

As for supplements....Vitamin D (most Americans are deficient), MCT Oil, Fish Oil, Multi and K2. Check out this video on the importance of Vitamin D

I had brought up going Keto on the first page. It's an awesome feeling when you get into Keto: clarity, energy, focus, no bloat, etc. I also agree with you about grains...and by association Gluten, which is a protein, but seriously makes you feel terrible. That being said, I go Keto for 2 -4 weeks at a time and stay on a generally low carb diet outside of Keto. @intlzncster is probably right that the once the body gets comfortable, it loses it's effectiveness, and could potentially backfire if done for sustained periods of a couple of months or longer. I would recommend trying Keto, I personally feel thats when I am best equipped to handle life.

 

[temery]

Your daily smoothie sounds great but 30 freaking ingredients sounds crazy to me. As long as you can deal with it and it doesn't destroy your wallet then it's good, that sounds too time consuming to me though with all the shopping. I usually drink once a week and it's usually of the binge variety. Any doc will tell you drinking heavily is not good for you but if you keep a great diet like you do and get some exercise in you should be fine.

I've been hooked on smoothies for a while, but the don't have to be a wallet buster.

My local grocery store has a table of fruits and vegetables that are a day old, and they'd soon be throwing away (bruised, etc). Still good, but they would have likely been picked over by other customers.

I buy enough for a weeks worth of smoothies, supplementing with frozen fruit on sale.

When I get home, I divide the produce into a dozen or so ziplock bags (one bag = one smoothie), with a little of everything in each bag. The bags go into freezer, and I move one or two a day to the refrigerator each night for the next morning smoothie.

Each smoothie ends up costing a buck or two.

Worth noting: If you load up on frozen blueberries for a couple days before a doctor's appointment, tell your doctor. It turns your urine blood red. Having significant kidney problems, and blood read urine, kinda gets your doctor's attention.

 

[NJHusky]

I had brought up going Keto on the first page. It's an awesome feeling when you get into Keto: clarity, energy, focus, no bloat, etc. I also agree with you about grains...and by association Gluten, which is a protein, but seriously makes you feel terrible. That being said, I go Keto for 2 -4 weeks at a time and stay on a generally low carb diet outside of Keto. @intlzncster is probably right that the once the body gets comfortable, it loses it's effectiveness, and could potentially backfire if done for sustained periods of a couple of months or longer. I would recommend trying Keto, I personally feel thats when I am best equipped to handle life.

What are you eating? Are you one of these folks putting butter into their coffee? I'm not eating any carbs and I'm taking mct oil and can't get past .5/.6 mm. Do you measure your Keto levels? I even tried KetoCana without raising my Keto levels above .7.....thanks for any info

 

[Gutter King]

What are you eating? Are you one of these folks putting butter into their coffee? I'm not eating any carbs and I'm taking mct oil and can't get past .5/.6 mm. Do you measure your Keto levels? I even tried KetoCana without raising my Keto levels above .7.....thanks for any info

I did put MCT oil/grass fed butter in a morning coffee. I didn't realize any noticeable difference. So I will finish my bottle of MCT and likely won't continue that. Most days I won't get to 20g Carbs, you'll hit that if you are still eating veggies. Otherwise, I don't have a specific diet. The one thing that I pair this with is intermittent fasting, basically I eat between 12 noon and 8pm. Black Coffee in the morning. I believe the problem I had with the MCT oil/coffee is that it may have jacked with the intermittent fasting.

I do the the less reliable pee test and I can get into 3.0 mMol in a day. I think I read that ideal is 2-3, meaning anything more than that has severe diminishing returns. Are you working out with the diet?

I have not tried the KetoCana or any other of the Keto supplements, so I couldn't share any experiences with that.

 

[intlzncster]

IMO you need to differentiate between grains and carbs....veggies have carbs...but they are healthy. There are a lot of folks that think grains of any type are basically poisoning your body because they are inflamatory...read Grain Brain and Wheat Belly about the negative consequences on the brain and heart caused by grains. I'm 50+ and in reasonable condition for my age. I started a 21 day primal cleanse from marksdailyapple.com---no grains of any kind, no sugar and no legumes. Basically veggies, protein and some fats. My joint pain is gone after only 10 days and I dropped 6 lbs. If you eat carbs, you body burns sugar for fuel and stores fat....if you don't eat grains, your body burns fat for fuel.

I'd be interested if anyone has any experience with a Ketogenic diet....I'm not eating enough fat to go into ketosis but am considering it

Gotta be careful with long-term high protein, low carb diets. Can really negatively affect some peoples' kidneys.

As with most anything, balance is usually the best course of action.

 

[temery]

'm not eating any carbs

NO carbs? What do you eat?

 

[NJHusky]

NO carbs? What do you eat?

I should have said no grains. I eat protein and veggies/salad Almond butter

 

[Dove]

Cocaine. Massive amounts of caffeine.

Sometimes I have peasants freeze-dried and turned into a protein powder that I use in smoothies.

I was gonna give this a like but then it got weird at the end.

 

[superjohn]

Gotta be careful with long-term high protein, low carb diets. Can really negatively affect some peoples' kidneys.

As with most anything, balance is usually the best course of action.

You definitely should have carbs in your diet but you would have to take in a crazy amount of protein before it would ever hurt your kidneys or liver.

 

[NJHusky]

I did put MCT oil/grass fed butter in a morning coffee. I didn't realize any noticeable difference. So I will finish my bottle of MCT and likely won't continue that. Most days I won't get to 20g Carbs, you'll hit that if you are still eating veggies. Otherwise, I don't have a specific diet. The one thing that I pair this with is intermittent fasting, basically I eat between 12 noon and 8pm. Black Coffee in the morning. I believe the problem I had with the MCT oil/coffee is that it may have jacked with the intermittent fasting.

I do the the less reliable pee test and I can get into 3.0 mMol in a day. I think I read that ideal is 2-3, meaning anything more than that has severe diminishing returns. Are you working out with the diet?

I have not tried the KetoCana or any other of the Keto supplements, so I couldn't share any experiences with that.

I work out 3-5x per week...usually strength training, 1 cardio day and usually sauna for 20 min after the workout...if you aren't eating veggies, what are you eating besides protein? Or is it just protein? I've read that you should get 70% of calories from fat...but that seems almost undoable unless I'm mainlining coconut oil and grass fed butter...can you tell me a typical day's diet?

 

[Gutter King]

I work out 3-5x per week...usually strength training, 1 cardio day and usually sauna for 20 min after the workout...if you aren't eating veggies, what are you eating besides protein? Or is it just protein? I've read that you should get 70% of calories from fat...but that seems almost undoable unless I'm mainlining coconut oil and grass fed butter...can you tell me a typical day's diet?

I meant to say that I get to 20g with the vegetables, I didn't mean that veggies were eliminated.

-Coffee, black or Tea whenever.

Meal #1: 12:00 PM Sharp

-Chicken, Turkey, or Steak Salad. Typically romaine and a ton of spinach. avocado and feta. Other veggies in moderation.

Meal #2: Anytime, but no later than 8pm.

-4 Eggs and Turkey Burger (Costcos are awesome), Salmon Burger, Grass Fed Beef burger with MIXED PEPPERS AKA ITALIAN GIARDINIERA* and Avacado.

Condiments: Spicy Mustard and Frank's Red Hot

*70% Calories from fat is difficult to do. The giardiniera that I make has Olive Oil/vinager base. So paired with things like Avacado, Olives, etc. you can get reasonably close.

I'd also recommend Shiratake noodles, they don't have carbs in them and can be found in Asian Markets, but you need to watch the sauce if you are making a dish. The right pesto is a good option. You can also find Carb Zero Noodles at Walmart.

There has to be carbs sneaking in somewhere in your diet...everything else, as stated, seems to be the perfect Keto diet...

 

[superjohn]

I meant to say that I get to 20g with the vegetables, I didn't mean that veggies were eliminated.

-Coffee, black or Tea whenever.

Meal #1: 12:00 PM Sharp

-Chicken, Turkey, or Steak Salad. Typically romaine and a ton of spinach. avocado and feta. Other veggies in moderation.

Meal #2: Anytime, but no later than 8pm.

-4 Eggs and Turkey Burger (Costcos are awesome), Salmon Burger, Grass Fed Beef burger with MIXED PEPPERS AKA ITALIAN GIARDINIERA* and Avacado.

Condiments: Spicy Mustard and Frank's Red Hot

*70% Calories from fat is difficult to do. The giardiniera that I make has Olive Oil/vinager base. So paired with things like Avacado, Olives, etc. you can get reasonably close.

I'd also recommend Shiratake noodles, they don't have carbs in them and can be found in Asian Markets, but you need to watch the sauce if you are making a dish. The right pesto is a good option. You can also find Carb Zero Noodles at Walmart.

There has to be carbs sneaking in somewhere in your diet...everything else, as stated, seems to be the perfect Keto diet...

Why only 2 meals per day and what kind of exercise do you do?

 

[beakumhawks]

Sent you a pm ND. I will put in a plug for a company I do consulting for
lifepriority.com

Good folks and good products.

 

[UconnFanNVa]

Right now I'm low carbing it to lose some weight. I think I have an energy drink addiction though. I usually have 1 or 2 monsters or red Bulls daily in addition to 2 five hour energy shots. Barely keeps me awake. Gotta break this habit.... barely even gives me a pick up. I can drink a monster in bed and go to sleep and sleep like a baby. Maybe I'm immune to caffeine?

 

[storrsroars]

After reading this entire thread with all the cautions on carbs and processed grains, I'm now dubious that anyone commenting on the pizza thread has actually been to any of the places mentioned this century.

@NDakotaHusky

If eating right isn't in your future, there's alway this: How Fecal Transplants Work

"Eat shiat and live?"

The thing that was most interesting to me about that article was that the solution for diluting the feces includes full fat milk, not 2%, not skim, not lactose-free. I'd love to learn more about the clinical trials!

I'm also wondering if there's any money in becoming a shiat donor.

 

[intlzncster]

Right now I'm low carbing it to lose some weight. I think I have an energy drink addiction though. I usually have 1 or 2 monsters or red Bulls daily in addition to 2 five hour energy shots. Barely keeps me awake. Gotta break this habit.... barely even gives me a pick up. I can drink a monster in bed and go to sleep and sleep like a baby. Maybe I'm immune to caffeine?

. You have a legit problem. Could launch a rocket with that amount of fuel.