OT: Did Gronk quit on his team last night? **

[gtcam]

Missed the game, was flying back home. First time seeing the play. That is so clearly pass interference it isn't even funny. I can't believe Pats fans think they were jobbed on that. Any time you make contact with the arm and extend, that is a push-off and an OPI. Notice how the defender has to brace with the force being applied to him by the push. Yeah, it was weak, but it absolutely met the criteria.

Not unlike a certain tuck rule call.

Only question is whether or not the ball had been released. But even if it wasn't, is that not at least illegal contact of some kind?

Life long GMen fan here
That was such a weak call it even made me laugh
Met the criteria? Christ if they called everything that met the criteria the NFL would still be paying week #1
Again not Pats fan but many of the close calls went against the Pats last night
The Chung (sic) penalty at the end of regulation was another laugher- that happens 95% of the time while in the red zone
You say clearly then describe it as weak?????
I get it - you hate the Patriots
I love the fact that the Giants beat them when it counts the most but I watch games with an open mind

 

[NYC_HUSKY22]

well said @gtcam

 

[Rocktheworld]

Life long GMen fan here
That was such a weak call it even made me laugh
Met the criteria? Christ if they called everything that met the criteria the NFL would still be paying week #1
Again not Pats fan but many of the close calls went against the Pats last night
The Chung (sic) penalty at the end of regulation was another laugher- that happens 95% of the time while in the red zone
You say clearly then describe it as weak?????
I get it - you hate the Patriots
I love the fact that the Giants beat them when it counts the most but I watch games with an open mind

G-men fan here as well. You obviously don't get it. Ultimately I don't care at all.

It's weak because it wasn't overt; weak in the sense that it was definitely ticky-tack. But when an action clearly meets the criteria for a penalty, and the ref observes said action, the flag has to be thrown. Just like the whistle should be blown on the basketball court when the defender puts two hands on the ball handler. A foul is a foul. Whine about the rules, not about the calls.

 

[mauconnfan]

Gronk constantly commits pass interference. Here he is committing interference on 2 separate defenders.

If I had time and gave a crap I could make you look foolish - the guy makes Michael Irvin look clean running routes. Please, give it a break. It is what it is but your sensitivity is over the top.

 

[intlzncster]

Missed the game, was flying back home. First time seeing the play. That is so clearly pass interference it isn't even funny. I can't believe Pats fans think they were jobbed on that. Any time you make contact with the arm and extend, that is a push-off and an OPI. Notice how the defender has to brace with the force being applied to him by the push. Yeah, it was weak, but it absolutely met the criteria.

Not unlike a certain tuck rule call.

Only question is whether or not the ball had been released. But even if it wasn't, is that not at least illegal contact of some kind?

The problem w this is that it is Bruton who makes contact w Gronk first, when he puts his arm up on his shoulder and grabbed him. Gronk keeps his arm bent to absorb contact and extends outward after that. It theoretically could have been called on the defenseman. Should have been a no call either way; it is most of the tome.

 

[StoweD210]

Interesting idea by the OP. I wonder if Gronkowski was inspired by Revis deciding he was "concussed" and had to leave the game while he was being embarrassed by DeAndre Hopkins last week.

 

[mauconnfan]

The problem w this is that it is Bruton who makes contact w Gronk first, when he puts his arm up on his shoulder and grabbed him. Gronk keeps his arm bent to absorb contact and extends outward after that. It theoretically could have been called on the defenseman. Should have been a no call either way; it is most of the tome.

The DB's are allowed that contact every play I mean Butler was killing OBJ with it so you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's ok for the DB but the push off by Gronk is obvious this was a good call. If they didn't call it though I'd be ok with it too seems to me the DB's get too much freedom on the "5 yd contact" line and the receivers are at the disadvantage there.

 

[upstater]

If I had time and gave a crap I could make you look foolish - the guy makes Michael Irvin look clean running routes. Please, give it a break. It is what it is but your sensitivity is over the top.

Not sure what you are countering here. I agree he is committing OPI. Does the video show you something different?

 

[upstater]

Interesting idea by the OP. I wonder if Gronkowski was inspired by Revis deciding he was "concussed" and had to leave the game while he was being embarrassed by DeAndre Hopkins last week.

Gronk had 113 yards when he got hurt.

 

[upstater]

G-men fan here as well. You obviously don't get it. Ultimately I don't care at all.

It's weak because it wasn't overt; weak in the sense that it was definitely ticky-tack. But when an action clearly meets the criteria for a penalty, and the ref observes said action, the flag has to be thrown. Just like the whistle should be blown on the basketball court when the defender puts two hands on the ball handler. A foul is a foul. Whine about the rules, not about the calls.

Then the flag should be thrown every play

 

[mauconnfan]

Then the flag should be thrown every play

Well I've watched games with other Pats fans and they agree with you and expect it every play but never on them. LOL

Then there's reality.

 

[upstater]

Well I've watched games with other Pats fans and they agree with you and expect it every play but never on them. LOL

Then there's reality.

All I ask is that the game be called fairly. Why are we even having this conversation though? Didn't you post something about UConn bball and Gonzaga and reffing this weekend?

The Gronk stuff needs to end though because the guy doesn't know when he is going to be grabbed with no call. His de facto route running is to slough off the defender whenever he is blocked or grabbed. Why? Because he is grabbed and blocked all the time. Just like in the .gif above.

 

[August_West]

All I ask is that the game be called fairly. Why are we even having this conversation though? Didn't you post something about UConn bball and Gonzaga and reffing this weekend?

The Gronk stuff needs to end though because the guy doesn't know when he is going to be grabbed with no call. His de facto route running is to slough off the defender whenever he is blocked or grabbed. Why? Because he is grabbed and blocked all the time. Just like in the .gif above.

 

[upstater]

I-AM-PARTY's response to a fan before the game was good. "Hey, Rob, I love you." Rob: "I know!"

 

[Matt (Chicago)]

Then he's a bigger #ussy than we thought.

the internet muscles are strong in this one

 

[mauconnfan]

All I ask is that the game be called fairly. Why are we even having this conversation though? Didn't you post something about UConn bball and Gonzaga and reffing this weekend?

The Gronk stuff needs to end though because the guy doesn't know when he is going to be grabbed with no call. His de facto route running is to slough off the defender whenever he is blocked or grabbed. Why? Because he is grabbed and blocked all the time. Just like in the .gif above.

At some point you need to look at both sides of this issue. He is huge and has manhandled DB's when he gets to his cut point for a while, they need to be able to defend themselves and have a chance, it's really that simple. The one video is ridiculous as it was interference but how many from his end go uncalled with a 190lb DB defenseless? I mean it works both ways here.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Missed the game, was flying back home. First time seeing the play. That is so clearly pass interference it isn't even funny. I can't believe Pats fans think they were jobbed on that. Any time you make contact with the arm and extend, that is a push-off and an OPI. Notice how the defender has to brace with the force being applied to him by the push. Yeah, it was weak, but it absolutely met the criteria. Not unlike a certain tuck rule call. Only question is whether or not the ball had been released. But even if it wasn't, is that not at least illegal contact of some kind?

Hahah. At least you're looking at it objectively. You and Collinsworth. You think any other receiver gets flagged on that play you're out of your mind. Watching the highlight package for the kid who played well for Balt. last night and half of his routes look like car crashes compared to that. He didn't initiate the contact or extend but to you its "so clearly pass interference it isn't funny." Amazing.

 

[upstater]

At some point you need to look at both sides of this issue. He is huge and has manhandled DB's when he gets to his cut point for a while, they need to be able to defend themselves and have a chance, it's really that simple. The one video is ridiculous as it was interference but how many from his end go uncalled with a 190lb DB defenseless? I mean it works both ways here.

The answer is not many. This is why he keeps getting rung up on OPI. It's constant.

 

[mauconnfan]

The answer is not many. This is why he keeps getting rung up on OPI. It's constant.

You're hilarious when it comes to the Pats. It's everyone else and never them no matter what? I think you're all funny now I know the house I went to for the GMen Pats last Super Bowl was just typical. They saw every hold on the Gianst offensive line and every play. They saw PI all the time on or DB's. I had to leave at the half, it was ridiculous and now I know why. it's the whining nation.

 

[intlzncster]

The DB's are allowed that contact every play I mean Butler was killing OBJ with it so you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's ok for the DB but the push off by Gronk is obvious this was a good call. If they didn't call it though I'd be ok with it too seems to me the DB's get too much freedom on the "5 yd contact" line and the receivers are at the disadvantage there.

I agree with that, and contact is fine; but you can't grab. A smaller receiver would have been held there, but Gronk's strength makes it appear not so blatant. I have no problem with the contact thing; heck I think it works in favor of Gronk (minus the grab). I think those should be no calls, in the current structure.

Personally, I think the DBs are getting screwed with all the new rules. And should be allowed more leeway. Again, I like a no call format. All these penalties suck and make the games unwatchable.

 

[intlzncster]

Interesting idea by the OP. I wonder if Gronkowski was inspired by Revis deciding he was "concussed" and had to leave the game while he was being embarrassed by DeAndre Hopkins last week.

While I thought the OP was amusing, I'm of the opinion that, 1. it hurt like hell. I've both broken my leg and gotten a deep thigh/bone bruise before, and believe it or not, the thigh bruise hurt more. Also, I think a big factor for Gronk was frustration and fear of it being another serious injury; I'm sure he was thinking "duckck! another season down the drain".

 

[August_West]

While I thought the OP was amusing, I'm of the opinion that, 1. it hurt like hell. I've both broken my leg and gotten a deep thigh/bone bruise before, and believe it or not, the thigh bruise hurt more. Also, I think a big factor for Gronk was frustration and fear of it being another serious injury; I'm sure he was thinking "duckck! Im not going to be able to walk for my "Gronks Partyship cruise to Gronk Island.".

Fixed that for you.

 

[intlzncster]

Well I've watched games with other Pats fans and they agree with you and expect it every play but never on them. LOL Then there's reality.

All I ask is that the game be called fairly. Why are we even having this conversation though? Didn't you post something about UConn bball and Gonzaga and reffing this weekend?

The refereeing has been so bad this year across the NFL. I expect it at this point and can live with it. But what needs to happen is be consistently bad for both teams during a game. For whatever reason, it was not the case yesterday. All that matters is the Pats escaped serious injury on the Gronk/Hightower front. A bunch of writers have come to the fore and said the Pats got jobbed. And rarely, rarely does anyone defend the Patriots outside NE.

That Gronk seems to be unfairly targeted (by refs) this year has started to become a national story, and is telling that there could be something there.

 

[intlzncster]

Fixed that for you.

Hey, the Gronk family are professional partiers. That's a big deal right there.

 

[upstater]

You're hilarious when it comes to the Pats. It's everyone else and never them no matter what? I think you're all funny now I know the house I went to for the GMen Pats last Super Bowl was just typical. They saw every hold on the Gianst offensive line and every play. They saw PI all the time on or DB's. I had to leave at the half, it was ridiculous and now I know why. it's the whining nation.

Call it both ways. It's all I ask.

Brady completes a 50+ yard bomb to Keyshawn Martin, and it's a hands to the face hold by the Patriots offensive lineman.

If the refs call 2 plays consistently, the Patriots win.

But the Broncos throw a go ahead TD and the refs turn a blind eye to this:

 

[intlzncster]

Where do I get my card?

 

[intlzncster]

At some point you need to look at both sides of this issue. He is huge and has manhandled DB's when he gets to his cut point for a while, they need to be able to defend themselves and have a chance, it's really that simple. The one video is ridiculous as it was interference but how many from his end go uncalled with a 190lb DB defenseless? I mean it works both ways here.

He shouldn't be penalized for being huge either though. That's what makes him great. Why would you want to penalize won of the best players in the game?

 

[upstater]

Also, you act like the Patriots fans are the only ones who noticed this, but it's all over the media.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...-the-nfl-s-officiating-problem-153446759.html

Actually, there may have been five worse calls in the final 20 minutes of Sunday night's game between the Denver Broncos and New England Patriots. If you're from Boston, you'd have a legitimate gripe about 1) A running-into-the-kicker penalty at midfield that was ignored by the officials with 1:40 remaining in the third quarter, 2) The offensive pass interference call against Rob Gronkowski that negated a third-down conversion with 5:22 remaining in the fourth quarter, 3) Shaq Barrett launching his entire body at Tom Brady's head on the replay of third down, 4) A defensive holding call against Patrick Chung that turned Denver's third-and-15 into a first-and-goal with 1:09 left in regulation and 5) Aqib Talib's blatant hold of Brandon LaFell on the firs play from scrimmage in overtime. Am I missing some others? Yeah, probably.

You also have Stephen A. Smith agreeing with Skip, which never happens on this:



Boomer Esiason too: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/...r-letting-pats-broncos-spiral-out-of-control/

So it's not just Patriots fans, but Seahawks, Cowboys, Ravens, Jets backers too who are basically saying the exact same thing I'm saying.

 

[intlzncster]

You're hilarious when it comes to the Pats. It's everyone else and never them no matter what? I think you're all funny now I know the house I went to for the GMen Pats last Super Bowl was just typical. They saw every hold on the Gianst offensive line and every play. They saw PI all the time on or DB's. I had to leave at the half, it was ridiculous and now I know why. it's the whining nation.

Um, that's what fans of opposing teams generally do during big games? The game is tight and tense and you need to relieve some tension by yelling at the refs and blaming everything from the wind to the pregame meal. You should hear me during UCONN games.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Hahah. At least you're looking at it objectively. You and Collinsworth. You think any other receiver gets flagged on that play you're out of your mind. Watching the highlight package for the kid who played well for Balt. last night and half of his routes look like car crashes compared to that. He didn't initiate the contact or extend but to you its "so clearly pass interference it isn't funny." Amazing.

I can't speak to false negatives.